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TUF got smaller

by Laquel

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Date Published

Aug. 5, 2015

CPU Clock Rate

4.5GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

40.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

70.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.39GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

7.01GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

30.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

76.0° C

Description

Hi again, about six months ago I built my Small but TUF mATX build in Fractal Design Arc Mini R2. It's a really nice case but it's pretty big for a micro ATX case and I realised I could fit (almost) all of it in case that half the volume of the Arc Mini: the (Jonsbo) Cooltek U3 or the Rosewill Legacy U3 as it's known is the US and CA. So I went ahead and ordered the case and "my god it's tiny, and it's gorgeous!" was my first reaction when I put it next to the fractal.

THE BUILD I had looked at numerous builds with this case on the internetz but actually fitting everything in was another thing completely. There is really no cable management in this case but luckily the mobo standoffs are pretty tall so some cables can be routed behind the motherboard and fortunately the G-550 has flat cables which are very nice to have in a confined space. Especially fitting in the motherboard gave me a really hard time and for the first time ever I was afraid I'd break it. Then I realised after I'd fitted in the CPU cooler that the GPU would have to be pivoted in somehow so I had to take it out.

STORAGE One negative thing about this case is the 3.5" drive support. You can actually fit 1 in the bottom and 1 in a special side bracket but I wanted to fit a 120mm fan to the bottom and I had read that the side bracket makes vibrations pretty bad. I had recently gotten a 250GB Crucial BX100 SSD along with my 250GB Samsung 840 SSD and had 1+TB of stuff on my 2TB WD Black so the SSD's alone wouldn't cut it. So I decided to put the Black in an external USB3 enclosure and fit the 2 SSD's in the case.

COOLING I have my i5 OC'd to 4.5GHz (1.26v) and I decided to keep it that way. There's only place for one 120mm fan at the back and some air is also exhausted through the PSU but I wanted some intake as well so I decided to fit a 120mm fan in the bottom of the case which is pretty well ventilated. I will also be getting a dust filter for the intake fan. I swapped the rear fan grille for a less restrictive one which I had lying around. The case is very silent with the stock fan (1000RPM) and the Noiseblocker PL1 (900rpm) running at full speed and the Noctua fan adapting to CPU temp. It's also running just as cool as the Fractal case which is surprising considering there are only two case fans.

So, thanks for checking out my build and let me know what you think.

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Spycrab 10 points 19 months ago

+1 for stunning pictures and a clean build. i think he's gona get next featured build

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 4 points 19 months ago

Thanks! Let's hope so!

Spycrab 4 points 19 months ago

I said it Said it freaking said it

congrats getting featured

never called it out before have a wonderful day

jipster69 4 Builds 2 points 19 months ago

I said it Said it freaking said it

never called it out before have a wonderful day

Calm down...

* hands him obligatory cookie *

Spycrab 2 points 19 months ago

cookies okay okay Nom Nom Nom Random question do you like Ramen

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 2 points 19 months ago

Thanks man :D

Spycrab 1 point 19 months ago

I blessed your soul always have faith in the crab of the spies

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 2 points 19 months ago

Thou truly art the blessed one! May the eternal fire... wait wut

Space_DollarDollar 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

how do you do the bigger text?

jipster69 4 Builds 3 points 19 months ago

Its $0.10 per letter...

Space_DollarDollar 1 Build 2 points 19 months ago

Oh, ok then, charge me

$1.00

Spycrab 1 point 19 months ago

what he said use 1 to 6 # to say how big you want but you have to do it on a different line

mkaye

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jipster69 4 Builds 3 points 19 months ago

That is one sleek and sexy box! +1

LOL @ pic #11...

Windows 8 Ready!

I don't think anyone was ready for that gem =P

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 3 points 19 months ago

Haha yeah. Maybe this mobo was "TUF" enough to handle it?

ZeNinja864 2 points 19 months ago

YOU ARE EVERYWHERE ON PCPP! :P It's nice to see a fellow person who checks out as many builds as they can daily!

jipster69 4 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thanks... I try to see/read them all, but it ain't easy.

ZeNinja864 2 points 19 months ago

Same :P

Ksongs 2 Builds 2 points 19 months ago

Great build Beautiful pictures +1 love seeing the Rosewill legacy U3 builds! looks like a really great case looks like a house hold appliance though haha.

TheEthernet 5 Builds 2 points 19 months ago

Bravo! I love this +1

Ropota 1 point 19 months ago

Man this build is just awesome. I love the pre-routing of the cables. The pictures that show before with mock routing and after routing are a must for every build on PCPP. I really want this case for a matx build or even the U2-S for my itx build. +1!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Haha thanks! I literally just moved around the cables for over 30 minutes before putting the motherboard in just thinking how the heck is this gonna fit :D

Ropota 1 point 19 months ago

Does the GPU really get that hot under load with the extra fan blowing air to it??? I just noticed that...

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Well it's not that hot is it? It's got a very silent fan profile so thats one thing. The fans on it rarely go above 1500rpm

Ropota 1 point 19 months ago

not really. Its not a temp i wouldve expected though with the flan blowing on the card. Maybe without the fan i would have guessed that. lol

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Well it's usually closer to 70 and my goal was to keep it as silent as possible while keeping it below 80. It doesn't throttle or anything either.

syntaxerrur 22 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

This has a really neat industrial feel to it. Well done with the glamour shots! You make it look so beautiful and I really want to try this chassis for my upcoming home server. The only downside is that I would need more storage space. I would need to at least fit 2 HDD and 1 SSD. I think I could get away with the lack of fans since I wont have a GPU and the chip is only a G3258 cooled by a Hyper 212 EVO.

So let me ask you this, If I had the same fan setup as you and no GPU, could I fit 1 HDD on the bottom where your SSD is, then use the side mount bracket for another HDD and also use 2 sided tape or velcro to attach my SSD on the back of the front panel? Where does the additional 3.5 mount go?

Also, your PSU might also be helping with your atmospheric temps since its top mounted. How does your external HDD enclosure look? You should get one of these just for the cool factor:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/thermaltake-dual-bay-docking-station-for-most-internal-sata-hard-drives/9419596.p?id=1218102199901&skuId=9419596

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Yes you could fit on 3.5" on the bottom though you couldn't fit a fan as the 3.5" mounts right in the middle. You could also fit one on the side bracket though the 212 Evo might not fit with the bracket on. You could also velcro an SSD to side on the PSU or anywhere

Added a pic of the enclosure exposing it's goodies just a bit ;) Linear read is 136MB/s with this

syntaxerrur 22 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you for answering my questions. I guess the only thing that I'm still confused about is where the extra 3.5 side bracket goes?

EDIT: I found it for those of you who are interested:

http://www.rosewill.com/products/2538/ProductDetail_Overview.htm#/Mgnt/Uploads/ImagesForProduct/ImgPrd-2538-Cm[02b6ca9e6fe44adbbf1dd226e36bcf4b].jpg

syntaxerrur 22 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

So just to double check, there is no way to mount a 3.5 HDD and a 120mm fan at the bottom at the same time?

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

I mean I did get the side bracket but just didn't wanna use it and I'm not even sure it would've with my heatsink. Check out this review and you'll know what I mean: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1409-page1.html

Here's a good pic how much space the HDD takes in the bottom: http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/rosewill-legacy-u3/17.jpg It's just so in the middle. Although if you don't use a dedicated GPU I'm not sure if you need a fan. Could maybe even use the rear fan as intake to keep some dust out with the pressure.

syntaxerrur 22 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

You got featured!!! Congrats! Well deserved my friend.

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you!

weredawg 1 point 19 months ago

Super clean build. Those pictures are hella professional +1

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you sir!

Eltech 14 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

It's so beautiful... so lovely. Like a star in the night. Amazing work, enjoy your PC! It's so clean and a work of art.

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 2 points 19 months ago

Thank you sir!

Eltech 14 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

lol You are most welcome.

Eddie0711 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Awesome build, love when people create small form pcs but then also make them so neat. This should be a featured build the photos are quality. The only downside is that it makes me want to start a new build! My wallet is already crying!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thanks! It seems your wallet has already shed some tears with those 980 ti's am I right?

Eddie0711 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Yeah you got that right! I may have gone a little overboard...

PyroFuzion 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Nice build and great pictures! +1

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you sir!

nextpc 2 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

That's a killer case! Dig your build, so clean. I've been trying to purchase a Red U3, but they don't make them anymore. I built a Jonsbo U1 for my wife and it's such an awesome case. Gotta love the quality of those Jonsbo cases. good job! BTW - what are your temps for cpu and gpu like, idle and load? thx

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

You can see the temps below the parts list ;) The GPU is totally passive when idle and spins the fans when it 's about 60 degrees. The CPU fan runs usually at about 500-700 RPMs and is totally silent.

nextpc 2 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thanks. your temps are very good for a small case. I bet it looks even better in real life !

stax 3 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Just built in the same case and loving it. +1 for gorgeous pics!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Nice build you got! Thanks!

GameAsaurusRekz 1 point 19 months ago

An absolutely gorgeous build! I can really appreciate pictures on the more professional side of photography, plus there are an ample amount of them.

P.S. Congratulations on getting featured.

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you very much! Just a hobbyist photographer but I've done it a bit ;)

GameAsaurusRekz 1 point 19 months ago

Your welcome :D Photography is quite fun, isn't it? I've pooled a fair bit of knowledge about it from my dad. He was professional photographer.

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Yeah although building PC's and taking photos makes my wallet cry if you know what I mean ;)

GameAsaurusRekz 1 point 19 months ago

I know all too well ;_;

xCarter 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Awesome job bro! Sleek and powerful build. Congrats on the feature :D +1

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you very much!

ZeNinja864 1 point 19 months ago

Great build! May I ask if you are going to upgrade at all in the future if you want to upgrade any parts. Also how is your experience with that case? I want to make a build in it, but I would like a personal opinion on it from someone who actually runs a system in it. Either way congrats on being featured!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you! I think I will upgrade the GPU when I feel the need (/want) for it because the CPU side development has been so slow anyways but the 970 suits me fine as it is ATM.

The motherboard was such a pain to install anyways that don't feel like taking that out for a while. You tuck some cables behind the motherboard and psu and the sata cables have to be installed beforehand in the connectors are on the side of the mobo.

I really recommend getting a short GPU. This one is about 241mm long and while I've seen some people cram even 266mm reference 980's in, this was hard enough. Oh and a (semi) modular PSU is really a must have.

ZeNinja864 1 point 19 months ago

Seems legit. I always use a Semi/Fully modular PSU when I do builds, I only use non-modular builds if I am strapped under a budget for one of my builds. The reason I say strapped under a budget is because I help some people build partlists and I assemble the PC's and such for them. So the only main issue for that case is cable management wise with the PSU cables and the cables behind the motherboard? But yeah, thanks for the reply, sorry this one was a bit too late [21 hours late as of me posting this]! Thanks!

Edit: Forgot to mention, good job doing high quality pictures!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Oh and one thing I forgot to mention is that I would maybe now consider putting in the PSU after the motherboard. Just put those pcie sata etc there beforehand. It would have given some space to wiggle in the mobo.

ZeNinja864 1 point 19 months ago

Yeah I always tend to put the PSU last in small form factor builds, just so its easier to manage with room.

Mikehandsdown 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

+1 to anyone using this case.

Battlefield 1 point 19 months ago

Now I want to build a MicroATX build. Damn it. This is too good. Could you provide more photos cuz I want to see more about how you hide the wires and kept it super clean!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Yeah I can upload some more later on. Most of the cables you can't see are behind the motherboard so I can't really take any photos besides the ones that I've got already. You can't remove the other side panel but fortunately the motherboard standoffs are pretty tall.

Battlefield 1 point 19 months ago

You can't remove the rear panel, that's why I'm so impressed. It looks clean and somehow you hid cables behind a wall that can't be removed. Wow! Now I get why you like the flat PSU cables. Really loving this build. And the photos!!! Too good. Keep up the great work.

Ri53 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Beautiful!

I have the same case, still can't decide what to do with it :)

jipster69 4 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

I suggest buying some parts and building a computer. Then post a Completed Build here on PCPP =P

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 2 points 19 months ago

Or, hang the case on wall gaze upon its beauty

Ri53 1 Build 2 points 19 months ago

:P

I think I'm going to move my Xeon into the Rosewill, use it for an HTPC for the time being, then eventually use it as a dedicated encoding rig for streaming. Hopefully this will all go down before the end of the year!

SquareOreo 1 point 19 months ago

Gatta say those are some high quality pictures taken for a even higher quality computer...

+2 if possible

What camera do you use?

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thanks man! Got a nikom D7000. These pics were taken with the sigma 30mm f/1.4 art and 17-50 f/2.8 os lenses.

philcoffman staff 1 point 19 months ago

Beautiful photography work Laquel!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you very much!

xolot1 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Jaw drops

Well done!

botopz 1 point 19 months ago

Any idea where I can get his case in the US? I've looked everywhere and no dice :(

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

I live in Finland and bought the case from germany so I don't really know the stores over there.

botopz 1 point 19 months ago

I'm actually seriously considering having one shipped to my friend in the UK then here. But talk about expensive :(

Ca_Uk 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Dat Macro Doe

someta 3 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you for taking so much care with the photos! your build is beautiful and deserves stunning photos like the ones you have uploaded!

huangtu 1 point 19 months ago

Pretty much a given this build would be featured!

Obnoxious 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Wow congratulations on your build. Although an extremely small case and limited cable management, you've done an outstanding job.

I also love the case; I would definitely build a Hackintosh using it, for me it just has that Apple-esque.

biggles5107 2 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Wow, for that tiny case I would think cable management would be a nightmare, but you pulled it off quite nicely. Well done! +1

Killeneminem 3 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Well, now, my pc, is just too big.

Deterium 1 point 19 months ago

Wow...! Just wow! This build is super clean, beautiful and stunning. Great job on this man!

kidmuskrat 1 point 19 months ago

+1 this is a great compact build I love that case

multitasker451 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

It's adorable and goregeous! Well done!

macbookacer 1 point 19 months ago

1: Good Job

nayrnayr1 6 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Why such an expensive motherboard?

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

I wanted a decent overclocking motherboard and for 109€ this was a real bargain. The price tag on the box still said 160€. I also came with a 5 year warranty and z97 would't have really offered any benefits compared to this. For the same price I could have a bought a cheapo z97 only.

nayrnayr1 6 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Well, that is a good deal. In the US you can find that Motherboard for $109 USD standard, are parts more expensive there?

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Definitely yeah. The Z97 Gryphon with armor is 190€ currently here. The prices have gone up since € has weakened compared to $ and there's 24% VAT. So the most basic Z97 mobos usually start around 80€ and didn't want one of those. I think they were just emptying old Z87 stocks and that's why it was so cheap. E: I checked the Z97 MAXIMUS VII GENE is $203.99 in the cheapest american store and 205,90€ in the cheapest finnish store so I guess the difference isn't that big if you don't count in discounts.

nayrnayr1 6 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Euros and USD aren't the same, converted to USD 205.9 euros are $225.87 USD

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Yeah I know but pretty close nowadays. Besides, finnish prices include VAT. Isn't it added on top of the prices over there?

fragment 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Gotta comment on this one. First off: Amazing job with the cable management with that limited amount of space. Can't believe you fit that heatsync in there too!

Couple of questions I have though (As I'm looking for a compact build myself and this case is gorgeous): What's the airflow and noise like in that case?

Are there actual mounting points for the SSD in the bottom there or did you just leave it free standing?

Great job once again, congratz on being featured!

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you! There are 2 SSD mounts on the bottom. 1 in the back and 1 where the fan is. I just velcroed the crucial on top of the Samsung.

The Airflow is decent and the temps aren't any worse than in the fractal arc mini I had before. Noise isn't bad as the fans don't spin too fast. I also got a demciflex magnetic filter for the the bottom intake because it includes this magnetic sticker and aluminum isn't magnetic.

NUclearD3 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

Very nice and clean looking build.

pepoxx 1 point 18 months ago

the bottom fan it's optional or you have to mod the case? im interested in the case but im worried about the airflow to the gpu

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 18 months ago

Hi, there are some ventilation holes in the bottom although they are quite restrictive and the bottom isn't really meant for a fan. Here's a picture of bottom ventilation from SPCR's review: http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/rosewill-legacy-u3/06.jpg I also put a demciflex round 120mm dust filter there so it's not sucking everything in. Of course if you want superb airflow you can always cut some of the bottom away if you got the tools and skills.

In practice my GPU doesn't run that much hotter or louder than in my previous case (Fractal Arc mini) so it's fine. The GTX970 doesn't produce that much heat heat so it's a great card for this case. I think you're ok with a powerful GPU as long as you don't mount a 3.5" HDD in the bottom and of course the size of the case somewhat restricts you from using the most high-end GPUs.

kelvinpt 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

Thank you for for being my inspiration! I mounted a fan on the bottom of mine too http://pcpartpicker.com/b/T6wV3C

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

NP ;)

Nice to see other builds in this case! Very good job and a clean build.

RhettRO55 1 Build 1 point 12 months ago

You ran the cables underneath your motherboard ...... MY BROTHER!!!!!! I started doing this a long time ago and I hardly ever see anyone do this, kind of like a lost art that never really took.

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 2 points 12 months ago

Kinda had to BC theres no way get access behind the mobo ;)

jay.shipley 1 Build 1 point 12 months ago

This case is awesome, I couldn't find a good deal on one when I did my build though.

nathan316 2 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Where'd you get that external hdd enclosure??

Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

I ordered it with the case from mindfactory.de. It's just a basic USB3 case from fantec.

Lif3 1 point 6 months ago

Nice build +1

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Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Thank you sir!

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Laquel submitter 5 Builds 1 point 19 months ago

Well I'd like to thank my family, the PCPP community... ;D I saw a post on some forum by an Australian guy who had built in this case but it cost him like 150$ with shipping from US on somewhere.

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