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FIRST BUILD!!!! Mini ITX 3570k GTX 660!
by shantottomasta
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Hi guys!

This was my first build and to add to it I had to do it on a mini ITX case and board. Thank goodness I did plenty of research and watched enough videos on Youtube to figure it out. These parts were specifically chosen in terms of cost-effectiveness vs. performance. All the prices you see are correct and the reasons why I bought them were because at the time they were a steal. The only issues I ran into was my RAM was never shipped and I had to buy a new pair.

I chose this CPU because I found the MoBos for the new generation are not that various and those that are present were either too expensive/not enough reviews. But i have had NO complaints with this board and it does it's job very well. The only issue was that it only came with one port for a case fan and with this case I needed two. No problem I went to my local TigerDirect.com store and bought a splitter for $3.

The 660 was perfectly in my price range and though I could have had an AMD with 3GB I opted not to solely because I've always played on Nvidia cards and they had NEVER failed on my before. No offense to those AMD lovers but it just is not my preference at this time.

I stole that PSU and Monitor LOL! (not really but I got really lucky on Amazon.com and Newegg.com)

The case: A WARNING about this case: it is a GREAT little case however you have to be prepared for the little room you have to work with and cable manage! I was able (with the help of my buddy) to stuff, tiewrap, velcro, etc. the cables on one side as much as I could to allow enough airflow throughout the case. YOU NEED A MODULAR POWER SUPPLY NO EXCUSES. Believe me it would not have been possible without one. There are a few funky little things like the power supply has to be screwed into a frame then into the case so you have to plug cables into the PSU first before you plug them into your parts. Also with this case and PSU i had to SQUEEZE that PSU in because the thick cables started blocking passage into the back of it's compartment. No problems though.

Lastly some of you are wondering what that cart is that the Computer is sitting on top of. I share the office with my Parents until I head to law school so they requested that the computer be able to be rolled in and out so that when they clean the office they can move it easily.

Thank you all for looking at my build! I named it Osceola because I went to FSU (go Noles!) If you have any questions do not hesitate to let me know!

EDIT: Most of the parts seem strangely paired because they will be REUSED in my next RIG! See the comments for some of my explanations!

Part List
Details
Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Clock Rate3.4GHz
CPU Temperature While Idle-
CPU Temperature Under Load-
EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card
GPU Core Clock Rate1.05Ghz
GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate6.01Ghz
GPU Temperature While Idle-
GPU Temperature Under Load-
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RyneSmith [7 Builds] 8 points 14 months ago

Nice looking build! How'd you like working in that case?

That being said I think your biggest mistake was purchasing the unlocked CPU with the non overclockable motherboard

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 8 points 14 months ago

oh i realized that when i bought the mobo and cpu I knew that withing maybe 2-3 years i'll be upgrading the case so I can put a closed loop water cooler in there. So I would be getting a new mobo as well. Most of these parts were bought with the mentality that they will be reused in my next build which would explain THAT particular anomaly. In my NEXT rig I will be OC'ing so I wanted the unlocked CPU to use in the next one.

 
 
RyneSmith [7 Builds] 2 points 14 months ago

Cool cool thanks for clearing that up! If you put that in the description it will probably save you a bit of grief from other comments

Have a good one

 
 
plgdg [1 Build] 2 points 14 months ago

Also (depending on when it was built) buying older gen CPU and GPU...

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 2 points 14 months ago

older gen CPU was bought because Haswell chips have very bad tendency to get really hot and I did not have the means to cool it down with an after-market cooler because the case did not have room for it. Secondly the older gen GPU was bought because I wanted the SSD and I sacrificed the new model for that. Now, with that in mind, I will also comment that the 660 runs all the games that I play and will play in the future on ultra settings quite perfectly (40+fps) sooooo for MY specific needs this works.

 
 
brisingrxblade 2 points 14 months ago

That case has plenty of room for aftermarket coolers, if you don't think so you are doing something wrong.

 
 
LeMonarque [3 Builds] 2 points 14 months ago

Shut up Gib.

:D

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

Not for the aftermarket that I wanted trust me I even measured it with measuring tape :p I'm not doing anything wrong

 
 
LeMonarque [3 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

What cooler did you want?

And the case fits an H100i in the roof or an H80i/H90 on the rear perfectly. Basically any 240mm AIO in the roof or 120mm/140mm on the rear. For heatsinks it fits push-pull single-towers like many from Phanteks, Thermaltake, Noctua, and Cooler Master.

Did you want a big honkin' dual-tower heatsink? Those are a no-go for small builds, and it's part of the reason why AIO's exist in the first place.

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 0 points 14 months ago

alright first off an H100i would only fit if you removed the drive bay. You cannot fit the fan on the inside without ripping that thing out. Secondly the H80i which originally was going to cool it does in fact NOT fit when I put it together. How can I be sure? Well an IT friend of mine lent me one from his shop to see if it will fit first before I buy one and try to fit it in. When we measured it with a mini ITX he had he suggested that it would be incredibly tight and the wire management would have to be done in a way which would severely block airflow so he suggested not to do it. Again this was not MY sole decision but his suggestion as well (the man has worked in IT building computers for over 15 years). So no there was not "big honkin' dual-tower" in mind just a test and suggestion afterwards.

 
 
LeMonarque [3 Builds] 2 points 14 months ago

About the H100i, that's why you fit the fans on the outside and run pull!

As for the H80i, it does fit. You just have to put the tubes to one side instead of up or down (although it does fit in either of those ways, just in a more difficult to manage way than sideways).

On cables and airflow, that's completely untrue. Fit a big 230mm fan in the front and you've got airflow enough, especially considering the case design is such that the graphics card is fed through a side vent, and the GPU design is such that all the hot air is exhaust out of the expansion bracket.

So a big Bitfenix 230mm would literally function only to feed air to your CPU cooler, and while cable clutter is a concern, when we're talking 10 or so inches between the fan and the cooler, there's little point in worrying about pressure drop like there would be if this was a cluttered full tower. Even less of a point considering that the fans on the H80i itself produce additional air pressure.

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

Again I'm not OC'ing with this MoBo until my next rig when I properly learn to do it safely. But if what you say is true then maybe I'll invest into one next time but for right now I don't think it's worth it to change the MoBo and then buy a cooler for it. Next time, my friend, next time.

 
 
brisingrxblade 1 point 14 months ago

Then why the unlocked processor?

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

again.....i'm most likely reusing it in my NEXT rig so I'm prepping for an OC'ing MoBo NEXT TIME

 
 
brisingrxblade 1 point 14 months ago

What is the time frame for your next build?

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

i don't know, it could be 1 year it could be 3

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plgdg [1 Build] 0 points 14 months ago

As brisingrxblade stated, the case has plenty of room for an aftermarket cooler...

AND as TunaTuna stated, a GTX 760 would've been a better choice (I own one myself)

When you're spending ~$1100 on a build, what's an extra $100 for a MUCH better GPU?

 
 
DannyVekslender [1 Build] 3 points 14 months ago

Would you act the same if it was your money?

I want to build a PC with a budget of ~$1400. Suddenly everyone wants me to throw more money at it like I was a money printing device.

 
 
plgdg [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

If I got what I wanted, yes.

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 2 points 14 months ago

well that's easy to answer: it's $100 when you have a hard cap like I did and very limited options you're kinda forced to get things that may be one generation behind.

 
 
TunaTuna 2 points 14 months ago

And if his build was for gaming, i think it would be better if he dropped the SSD for a GTX 760.

 
 
xIMcCloud29Ix [3 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

I don't think the overall performance of the build would really benefit that much from a 760 as it would an SSD. At least after using an SSD I would have done the same thing. He can always upgrade the card later on, I would assume getting an SSD after you already settled with your build would be really time consuming. I mean with having to re-install the OS onto the SSD seems annoying but I don't know since I never did it like that.

 
 
Mediciu5 [2 Builds] 2 points 14 months ago

I'd have done it the same way. I'd think the SSD gains you more performance per game than the different between a 660 and 760. On the flip side, OS installation is practically a no-brainer these days. It is really easy. More fire and forget than in previous years.

On top of that, choosing the 3570K and not having to worry about delidding the 4670K in his next build when he overclocks just makes smart price to long-term performance sense.

All-in-all, I think he made some good decisions based on his current and n+1 builds.

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

This was considered however with a hard cap of $1100 for EVERYTHING I had to choose the SSD over the 760 and so far.....worf

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RyneSmith [7 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

Boards that are overclockable compatible are Z series motherboards so for example his motherboard is the P8H77 whereas if it could overclock would be labled P8Z77

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RyneSmith [7 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

I believe instead of z it's FX

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Boylemaker23 [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

Nice Build! My only question is why an H77 board with a K processor? Other than that good job!

 
 
RyneSmith [7 Builds] 3 points 14 months ago

oh i realized that when i bought the mobo and cpu I knew that withing maybe 2-3 years i'll be upgrading the case so I can put a closed loop water cooler in there. So I would be getting a new mobo as well. Most of these parts were bought with the mentality that they will be reused in my next build which would explain THAT particular anomaly. In my NEXT rig I will be OC'ing so I wanted the unlocked CPU to use in the next one

He responded with that to my question about it haha, figured I'd paste it to you

 
 
LookTopHats [2 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

Really good build, similair to one i will be building in the coming months :D +1

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

If you have any questions about the parts i'll be happy to answer you :)

 
 
LookTopHats [2 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

Thanks :D

 
 
Eschaton [2 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

Holy lulz, this build just made me realize bitfenix is selling a case that is virtually IDENTICAL IN SIZE to this one, except it's rated for microATX and costs 10 bucks more on newegg.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/bitfenix-case-bfcprm300kkxskrp

Also, looks like you strategized very well when building for performance now + plenty of parts to use when upgrading. The only quibble I might have would be not to spend so much on a case that looks nice now if you're going to have to toss it for the next build. If you do it right cases can last 3 builds or more.

 
 
austus 1 point 14 months ago

I looked at that Prodigy M case...air flow seems wonky.

 
 
Eschaton [2 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

looked fine to me.

 
 
austus 1 point 14 months ago

with that case you'll want to water cool because the air flow does not go from front to back as in traditional cases.

 
 
Eschaton [2 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

no, it has back to front ventilation. Even comes with fans to facilitate that flow.

do you even look at the pictures?

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Eschaton [2 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

PSU and cabling will not affect back to front ventilation overly-much if you do it right; that goes without saying. Bottom to top airflow was not under discussion.

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Eschaton [2 Builds] 1 point 14 months ago

I have determined we were talking about different cases. I was referring to the Prodigy, thinking I was talking about the Prodigy M.

That said, I still find your commentary somewhat unwarranted now that I am looking at the right case model. While it is true that you don't get a stock front fan in the Prodigy M, you do have space to put one there if you get a low-profile PSU. Failing that, you'd still get modest airflow through the front grill if you have a powerful rear fan simply by virtue of the size of the front grill.

And, not that I care for popularity in the slightest, but I apologize for offending you.

 
 
austus 1 point 14 months ago

Everything you said makes sense now :).

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

oh trust me I wanted a nice corsair 600t case at first however I share the office with my parents and the only way they said I could put a computer in there is if it fit under the desk where I only had 16" of depth to work with T.T

 
 
austus 1 point 14 months ago

Step up that GPU for Christmas :). That's a neat program. I made a build like yours except I actually bought a 650 TI Boost. Check out EVGA's step up program.

 
 
austus 1 point 14 months ago

I want to give you an honest evaluation of your machine.

The Bitfenix prodigy is a really nice case. You could use it to build awesome gaming machines for years to come as long as you like mini-itx and use one video card, which is a common preference. Just make sure your components and cables are secured. Your blurb about requiring a modular PSU is nonsense, no offense. The manufacturers actually recommends using a non-modular psu. That said, if you successfully use a modular psu then that's awesome.

Motherboard / CPU choice: In a couple years you will be able to pick up a overclockable mini-itx motherboard for $5.00 (dirt cheap) and you will be underwhelmed by the effect of overclocking on system performance for this chipset. But overclocking will be fun.

You basically get an A all the way around except for the video card, which you get a B. Videocard score drops over all grade to B. As with other opinions, I think a GTX 760 would bring you up to an A.

 
 
shantottomasta [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 14 months ago

The manufacturer may recommend whatever it wants however the truth is with this particular PSU the thickness of the cables from a non-modular PSU would have disallowed the PSU from fitting all the way into its cavity (I had trouble with the modular one) And once again the reason i got a 660 was because #1 for $150 it was a perfect fit for this build's HARD CAP of $1100. And #2 the SSD, I found, would be worth more over spending that extra $100 on a 760. In my next build I plan on upgrading only a few of the parts that way my next rig will only cost me ~$500-$700 instead of paying $1100 because most of the parts on THIS rig are very reusable.

 
 
austus 1 point 14 months ago

Corsair TX650 works pretty nicely in my Bitfenix Prodigy case. Our cases should be identical. Just saying maybe you're over generalizing.

When you build a gaming rig, you have to think in terms of bottlenecks. Bottlenecks are the components in your system that actually limit performance. These days, the cpu and the motherboard are not usually bottleneck components if you have a CPU that is at least a Intel I5. So for gamers, choosing a motherboard/cpu combination is really only a matter of finding a motherboard with high quality electronic components and choosing an I5 CPU. You did that. The GPU and the hard drive are the components that affect system performance for gaming the most. That said, SSD caching of hard drives is highly affective so you are doing better than those with just a fast hard drive.

The bottom line is that the only components that you can upgrade (in your rig) that will actually significantly affect your gaming experience is your GPU or upgrading the SSD so that you don't use a hard drive at all. You built a really good rig.