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Vengeance 8-core

by redventura

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69 Comments

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CPU Clock Rate

4.34Ghz

CPU Temperature While Idle

13.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

40.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.03Ghz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

6.01Ghz

GPU Temperature While Idle

15.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

65.0° C

Description

Will use the machine for: Gaming. Office 2013. Adobe CS6.

Works well. Stable. Very easy to overclock CPU using ASUS' BIOS. Have not yet overclocked anything else, either the GPU or the RAM.

3DMark 11 scores completed here: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5766402 Graphics score: 8519, Physics score: 7512, Combined score: 6540

Caveats: -- Had to zip-tie the two 120-fans for intake, to push air over the HDD cage. Swapped the POWER_SW and RESET_SW headers on the mobo to make the covered button the Power. -- Antec PSU has just enough modular connectors for what I've got. HDD cage can hold many more drives, so I'll need to go with molex power splitters if I want more harddrives. Need 8-pin Mobo power extention if I want to tuck that mobo power cable around the back of the mobo instead of over it. -- I could use a pair of extensions for the intake fans, too, since the "adapter" they came with doesn't let them be read by the BIOS, and only powered by the motherboard. I guess it somehow removes one of the three pins for the intake fans up front. -- Fan on the side case is for exhaust, and not powered by the Motherboard and therefore wouldnt be accessible by the BIOS. I'm considering adding the y-adapter on the Corsair H100i cpu block so I can power other fans through there, and so I can get RPM readings off them.

Motherboard temp: 32° C WD Black temp: 34° C WD Red temp: 28° C

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noob_for_life 2 points 31 months ago

Nice build!! Ya the only thing I would have did is gone with a 7950 but pretty sure you being it from cuda cores. Guessing your a teacher of some sort???

redventura submitter 1 Build 2 points 31 months ago

Yes, I'm a teacher and IT admin.

miniclipgamer 2 Builds 1 point 31 months ago

That sounds like a fun job. Is it?

redventura submitter 1 Build 6 points 31 months ago

It's great. Hardly a compaint can be made. Internet is on a Fibre Metro-E. I get 86 MB/sec downloads. I downloaded and installed a slew of games and updates within a couple day's work... over 75 GB of downloaded games. ;-)

miniclipgamer 2 Builds 4 points 31 months ago

Damn! Wish I had that kind of speed!

nwon4ever 1 Build -2 points 31 months ago

Dvc?

redventura submitter 1 Build 7 points 31 months ago

I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm neither in Diablo Valley College or the Disney Vacation Club.

_OM_ 2 points 30 months ago

...I think he means the Death Valley Communists :) :)

:OM:

nwon4ever 1 Build -1 points 31 months ago

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redventura submitter 1 Build 2 points 31 months ago

Precisely what did you mean by your previous post -- all you wrote was "Dvc?"

Is that an acronym for something? I'm not aware of anything called DVC or Dvc -- and I find no correlation to my earlier posts.

Your reply filled with question marks only serves as increased doubt as to what on earth you may possibly have been talking about.

Regards.

TestBuilds 2 points 31 months ago

He's running Adobe CS6, Adobe loves Nvidia.

th3m4dh4tt3r 1 Build 2 points 31 months ago

Great build! Whatcha planning on using this for?

redventura submitter 1 Build 3 points 31 months ago

I wrote this build's primary use in the Description box above. Thanks for checking it out.

th3m4dh4tt3r 1 Build 2 points 31 months ago

Oh, lolol can't believe I missed that :P

zhuoq.yin 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

For video editing, I would recommend Western Digital AV-GP series

redventura submitter 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

I may eventually do video editing, but not yet. I mostly use Photoshop and Dreamweaver CS6. Next to that would be Adobe Acrobat Pro and Soundbooth/Audition.

rjc34 1 point 27 months ago

AV-GP is for DVRs and surveillance systems, not for PCs. It's for environments like multi-stream video recording where write errors aren't important and can just be skipped.

brandonmorgan1234 1 point 31 months ago

Why did you chose the Hard Drives's you did?

redventura submitter 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

The SSD is for Windows and some apps like Photoshop, Office 2013, and the primary games I'm currently playing. The WD Black is for secondary apps and games; its not a 10K RPM but for the size, speed, and price it was a good fit. The WD Red is for backup -- Acronis Echo doing backups nightly.

brandonmorgan1234 2 points 31 months ago

Okay yea i was wondering about the red

TestBuilds 1 point 31 months ago

What's with the 1000 watt power supply?

redventura submitter 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

Pulled it out of my old Lian Li case with the Intel Core2Quad CPU. I saved some money by recycling the same monitor, keyboard, mouse, and PSU from my old build. The M-Audio Audiophile USB is still with the old build but I'll bring it over to this one soon. I still included these parts in PC Parts Picker for the sake of keeping this build all together. The build here uses under 600W, but I do intend on adding at least 4 more HDD's and a Blu-Ray once I get around to organizing data and removing the optical drives from a Dell XPS.

Norm101 3 Builds 1 point 31 months ago

Just for refernce, Photoshop CS6 does not use CUDA: http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq.html#mercury

So if that is the only reason for going with nVidia, then you might want to reconsider.

redventura submitter 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

I've been a True Intel + nVidia fanboy all my life. Price of the Sabertooth and 8-core AMD made me decide on going with that for my CPU/Mobo.

My previous machine was a stock clock/voltage Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4 GHz on an Intel DP35DP motherboard, with 6GB of Corsair XMS2, DDR2 800 ram. It also had an EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti. I guess decent, but this new rig is allowing for more growth.

This is a big step up, and I'm happy with its performance for price. There are still some mail-in rebates to complete, and that'll bring the price down even more.

miniclipgamer 2 Builds 1 point 31 months ago

By the way... How is your H100i running? Is it worth getting? The reason I ask this is because I'm considering buying that or a good air cooler.

redventura submitter 1 Build 2 points 31 months ago

It's spectacular. I found the corsair link app on their site and it lets me even change the color of the logo on the cpu block. Not that it's such a selling point but it's even more configurable than the H100 (non "i").

Now that I've gone with this, I'll never head back to air-over-heatsink for an overclocked machine. The main downside is I can't place things on top of the case -- and the two fans have to blow over the radiator constantly - so there's a higher sound output. where I've got the machine it's in good airspace and i don't mind the sound, i dont need it to be quiet, and i'm not going to forego performance for silence.

if you have good real-estate in your case to allow for it, either above the mobo with a couple of inches between the uppermost RAM or large extruded object from the mobo to the top of the case, and there's mounting area for the H100i's radiator/fans, do it. Doooo it.

Cheers!

miniclipgamer 2 Builds 1 point 31 months ago

Wow, in that case, I may just have to go with it. Thanks for your input.

FrankV01 1 Build 1 point 29 months ago

Trying to understanding overclocking my FX-8350; when you overclocked yours did you only increase the multiplier or did you also increase the voltage?

Also, is it normal to have system instability during the process of over-clocking? Like an occasional fail to boot (where it boot cycles)?

Any info you could provide on your overclocking experience would be great! Thanks.

atg284 1 Build 1 point 28 months ago

Are those front intake fans loud? I'm trying to find some quiet ones:/

MetaknightZYZ 1 point 27 months ago

looks sexy.

fortmcmurtry 1 Build 1 point 26 months ago

do you still have your plastic clips that screw into the mobo that hold the heatsink/fan? I have lost mine and I wanted to switch back to fan style. Ill pay you for shipping and the parts.

Oliver 4 Builds 0 points 31 months ago

For 2 grand, I was expecting to see an intel and atleast above a 660 ti. Finished pics at all?

redventura submitter 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

It came out much less, with combo deals, and prices were cheaper. Came out to under $1760 with tax and some shipping costs. Most of it was from Newegg.

GuruofGangstarr -9 points 31 months ago

Getting AMD FX-8350 & GTX 660Ti on a 2k machine is just...I could make 3 times better PC for that money.You should`ve went with i7-3770k if u want to do editing and 7970 Vapor-X from Sapphire and get Corsair RAM.Only good thing on this build is PSU.

Booth21209 12 points 31 months ago

I am in consensus with you in regards to the video card; but other than that, for the price point of the FX-8350 and the purposes of this build, I accuse you of being misinformed. Video editing is one of the only tasks that an FX-8350 excels in over a 3770k (besides 256-bit AES encryption). In video editing performance, an FX-8350 is comparable to an X79 CPU. Although it fails to compare in gaming, with a 660 ti it's not as if he will be bottle necking his system; and the slight drop in FPS will be negligable.

For the rest of his components, such as RAM, storage, etc. This build isn't strictly for gaming, maybe he needs the fast write speeds of the SSD to transfer large video files from a recording PC to his video editing computer, and the large size to hold all of his games.

For his RAM, most RAM chips used in big brands such as Corsair, G.Skills, Mushkin, Kingston,etc. are all manufactured by Samsung, Micron, Hynix, or Elpida and just rebranded and personalized by the company. You can check the manufacturers logo on the physical RAM chips on the PCB and look up the reliability of it's manufacturer (Samsung is usually high quality)

And lastly, although I agree with you in his choice of video card, I disagree with your suggestion. I would recommend an AMD card just because of the price range of his current video card, but if he did go higher end, I would actually recommend an Nvidia card as they could use Physx better than an Nvidia card of a lower tier. When buying AMD, you are normally looking for good FPS, which is valuable in a mid-high range card.

th3m4dh4tt3r 1 Build 7 points 31 months ago

Actaully, somewhere I saw a gaming test between the 3770k, the 3570k and the 8350, and the 8350 ended up on top. Idk if this has been reproduced, but I believe the test was conducted by the tek syndicate.

Booth21209 2 points 31 months ago

I will have to look into this, I haven't watched the Tek in a while anyway.

OllieNeal 2 points 30 months ago

Yes it was and he has proved alot of gamers wrong. Lot of people kicked off saying he was biased and what not but it shows how AMD are underestiamted, and how the community has a go at someone who is trying to help them and make suggetsions is quite shocking and upsetting really he did nothing wrong in my eyes and is saving me money as i intend to get this cpu.

th3m4dh4tt3r 1 Build 1 point 30 months ago

Yeah, I agree completely :D

Apach3 2 Builds 1 point 31 months ago

i'm aware of this particular benchmark, and people are saying it's a badly-conducted benchmark in AMD's favor. i kinda have to agree with that, considering they gave the AMD system better overall hardware. however, in real-world scenarios, you wouldn't notice much of a difference between the two brands unless you benefited from a 120Hz monitor and played CPU-intensive games such as Starcraft 2 and Civilization V - in which case you would be better off going Intel.

TestBuilds 2 points 31 months ago

He even said they all used Intel CPUs, I doubt it was in AMD's favor.

th3m4dh4tt3r 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

Actually they explained they all had the same hardware...except for the motherboards, obviously :P Second part of your comment I agree with, I just prefer intel...idk why, also Arma II CO is pretty CPU heavy at times, and my 3570k (OC @ 4.6) performs superbly.

th3m4dh4tt3r 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

Or did they redo the benchmark? Uh oh, now I don't remember...I'll check their vid and reply again.

Apach3 2 Builds 1 point 31 months ago

i heard a lot of controversy surrounding that particular review with regards to the quality of motherboards between the two systems and their graphics solution (an HD7870), which was why i said something about it. whether or not it would've made much of a noticeable difference is up for debate.

redventura submitter 1 Build 3 points 31 months ago

I'm happy with the framerates I'm getting at 1920x1200. I'll have to look into overclocking the video card, but we'll see.

I played some Diablo 3 and bought the THQ pack off Amazon for under $25 (a $365 value now that THQ's filing for bankruptcy) and loaded up Darksiders II, Homefront, Metro2033, and some steam games like TF2, Dota2, Dead Island, Deus Ex: HumanRev, The Walking Dead, and Football Superstars. Went ahead and got The Secret World as well. I'm considering Witcher 2 and other games. I'll install Skyrim and XCOM next week.

The RAM is baseline, and so is the video card. Simple upgrades now that I have the machine built. The Case and the Mobo have plenty of card slots for additional SLI/Crossfire, once I decide on a better card, probably this Summer.

Thanks for the input!

Muneem2 2 points 31 months ago

Yes. Please decide on a better card, by then there will be many choices. But PLEASE do not SLI the Gtx 660 Ti. It will be a loss of money because of the memory interference by nvidia. Besides that, LOVELY processor and other internals! I'm sure everything is perfect for your needs, if not over the top. Nice Build!

Booth21209 1 point 31 months ago

I was thinking of buying that as a steam deal, it seemed amazing. Also THQ has actually disbanded as of now, they have sold all of their assets to other companies

The games I paid attention to the most were Warhammer, Darksiders, and Company of Heores, when the IPs were being auctioned. I'm surprised SEGA got Company of Heroes; and Warhammer and Darksiders are still up for bid. So ill be keeping a close eye on those games. I think Ubisoft is trying to get Darksiders but they are waiting for the price to go down.

redventura submitter 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

the amazon purchase generates steam redeem codes.

i mistakenly redeemed one game on the wrong steam account and asked amazon to generate a new one for me. five minutes later it was taken care of, and i had a new code to copy from amazon and paste into the correct steam account. excellent customer service, and i'm happy it's sold as a big thq pack.

hopefully someone (games makers as well as gamers) will come away with some decent games as a result of this thq fall-out.

mousseng 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

I've nothing to say about the hardware since Booth and I apparently think the same things, but I do want to say pleasepleaseplease get Witcher 2. It's a great game and it looks gorgeous.

miniclipgamer 2 Builds 2 points 31 months ago

The 660ti can handle most things you throw at it, as long as everything else isn't bottlenecking it. AMDs are great processors and their a much better value than Intel.

redventura submitter 1 Build 1 point 31 months ago

Please link me to your pcpartpicker build which has an i7-3770k and show me how its done.

TestBuilds 0 points 31 months ago

Not Radeon for video editing, Adobe loves Nvidia.

_OM_ 1 point 30 months ago

...Lessee, from the article link below, I came across this interesting tidbit:

"Unfortunately, there are people on the web that like to just make a blanket statement, such as "you need to have 384 cuda cores to get good performance with Premiere" or "you need a GTX-xxx card"."

...Sound familiar?

Bottom Line: One-Line "Snark" or "Tweet" replies to a tech question are about as worth listening to as that 18.5 minute gap in Nixon's "Watergate" tapes. If you're not going to explain your advice with detail, it's best to not reply at all and conbefuddle the person asking for help/advice.

TestBuilds 1 point 30 months ago

I read that article too, it had charts comparing specs of the GPUs, and why one was nt recommended while others were (such as dual GPU when Premiere only uses one). But as I recall, all those cards were from Nvidia. I'm not trying to throw people off, I recommend AMD any day for gaming, and I know they can be used with Premiere, but there is no denying that Nvidia is the best choice with Adobe. So my "snark" was based in fact. I have better things to do then try to throw people off.

_OM_ 1 point 30 months ago

...Yeah, but you miss the point: A short, snarky "X is better than Y, so buy Y." without explaining why and/or Y ranks right up there with the old "Killing Joke", and trusting the other lunatic who escaped with you not to shut off the flashlight while you're trying to cross between two buildings to safety by walking across the beam of light from the flashlight.

...You may have "better things to do than to try to throw people off", but by not justifying your claims as to why Brand X is better than Brands Y,Z,Q and %@$!, you're essentially doing the same amount of redirection/distraction/damage.

...Seriously, I know today's generation is full of SAS victims, Prozac/Ritalin addicts, and those who believe that any post longer than what you can fit in a tweet is somehow evil/perverted/retarded, but where tech discussions are concerned, that puppy just won't hunt.

That's my advice, and I'm sticking to it.

:OM:

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TestBuilds 1 point 30 months ago

My mistake, I'll back up my claims then to avoid any confusion.

_OM_ 1 point 30 months ago

...ON a side note, whoever deleted those posts, kindly refrain from doing so in replies to my posts. To be honest, I'd like to see if someone can actually come up with something new to bitchslap my posts and comments with :) :) :) :)

:OM:

Booth21209 0 points 31 months ago

There is a way to get better performance through third party plug-ins; but, Adobe CS6 uses OpenGl and OpenCl equally, I have no idea where you got the info about Nvidia from, but it is wrong. Also, video editing does not really benefit from a High-end video card as much as you would think. Sony Vegas can be GPU accelerated, and the Mercury Graphics Engine in Adobe helps, but you do not need a very high end card for that.

TestBuilds 1 point 31 months ago

Adobe does love Nvidia, look at the Adobe and Nvidia websites. Also, you can use a Radeon if you want, I'm not denying that, and you can rewrite a text file for it to take better advantage of it, but Nvidia is the way to go for professional software like that. Also, GPUs give a huge boost to editing, especially when editing HD content. A decent quad core with a decent GPU will render far faster than a dual E5-2690s without a GPU. Intel's been working on its integrated graphics for more than just gaming without dependency on a GPU.

Booth21209 1 point 31 months ago

Are you sure those tests are done with consumer GPUs? I mean the test with the dual E5's. Because I've heard that being said about the Quaddro series, not the Kepler, the Quaddros are meant for that. Also, I do agree that a dedicated GPU helps, but the part I addressed was the value of the GPU in question. For example, crunching 1080p files on a 460 will only use 60% of the card. You do not need a very high end card for video editing, though any card does help.

I found something on Adobe's website that will clear up this confusion, When MGE was first released, it only supported CUDA, now it supports OpenCL equally http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq.html#mercury Edit: I meant 470

TestBuilds 1 point 31 months ago

Consumer cards are fine for pro software, since professional cards are for companies that need stability and the best driver support. Quadros have better drivers, but the GeForce equivalent won't be far behind. About that 60% usage, please tell me more. I know some people go for dual 680 and previously, 580s for 3D video editing, but if it only utilizes 60%, is there anything to optimize it? I had planned SLI for my next rig.