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philip Feb. 24, 2015

After the release of the new site design last week we received a considerable amount of feedback. Since then we've rolled out additional improvements, style adjustments, and bug fixes. Some changes are more subtle than others, so I wanted to call them out individually.

Our first priority was to fix any bugs we introduced with the new layout. I believe we've addressed most (if not all) of the bugs found during the rollout. If there are any issues you're still seeing, send us a note over on our site feedback forum and we'll get it taken care as fast as we can.

Based on feedback, we made a number of style adjustments to the layout:

  • Reduced padding in a number of areas - in page headings, filter lists, etc.
  • Increased font sizes in areas where it was hard to read, such as part category lists
  • Improved visibility of the part list on part category pages
  • Improved visibility of the wattage breakdown on part lists
  • Added delete links to saved part lists and completed builds in a more obvious place
  • Doubled the number of parts shown per page when viewing part categories

With the rollout of build guides, we heard your feedback that price sliders were hard to use for lower budget systems. We've made improvements there, so please check it out again and let us know what you think.

Filter sliders also got some additional attention that I hope should improve usability. Specifically, you can now click on the slide labels and edit the value manually. Below is a demonstration on how they work:

new editable slider labels

We did receive suggestions to bring back the old site layout. That is not likely to happen. The new site layout also incorporated numerous backend changes and performance improvements that are no longer practical to backport. Additionally it would be a substantial amount of work to maintain both versions of the site.

We also received suggestions to move the filters from the left side back to the right side. We made the change in our development setup and tested it - in the end it wasn't something we felt looked right. Filters will remain on the left side.

Thank you for all of your feedback to date. We're still iterating on the site, both in appearance and in functionality. While we can't always act on all of it, we do want you to know that we read through and consider all of your suggestions. (Sometimes different suggestions conflict, other times it may not be feasible from a time or implementation standpoint.)

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DPBuilds 61 points 24 months ago

Perhaps a dark theme?

DeusAres 10 points 24 months ago

Yes! I love alternate dark themes for websites. Much easier on the eyes, especially at night.

I know there are browser add-ons for these sorts of things, but I haven't found one that is suitable for every site I visit. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. I would prefer a local solution if possible.

macsomebody 1 Build 7 points 24 months ago

Yes! I would LOVE a PCPP dark theme.

Daniel.Blake 5 points 24 months ago

Agreed! If only someone could build an extension that, god forbid, works! :D lol no but really, I "fourth" this idea!

rockerjman222 1 Build 4 points 24 months ago

I use Google chrome, and the extension that I find that works the best would be stylish, if you want a dark background the people from the large community have most likely made one (which they have) as I am using this :).

Images:

Main page: http://i.imgur.com/G7wg5ws.png Part Lists: http://i.imgur.com/zy77OJk.png Build Guides: http://i.imgur.com/8NPQExQ.png Completed Builds: http://i.imgur.com/xABzrgR.png

damikiller37 2 points 22 months ago

Glad you are using my userstyle please feel free to leave any feedback :)

rockerjman222 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

all i can say is you my friend are a lifesaver xD. the dark theme is brilliant, the only issue i have ran into would be the custom item links, when you go to look at the link the background for the link is white and so is the text just causing the link to look invisible. other than that keep up the amazing work :)

damikiller37 1 point 22 months ago

Fixed it now :)

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DeusAres 1 point 24 months ago

That's awesome! Using it for Firefox now. It works extremely well. Thanks for the tip!

rockerjman222 1 Build 1 point 23 months ago

np :)

LeMonarque 3 Builds 3 points 24 months ago

That's a fantastic idea

Moonraid 3 points 24 months ago

Yes a dark theme would be great

funnygid123 2 points 24 months ago

That would be more than helpful, especially on my phone.

Dellwolf 2 points 23 months ago

If we get enough people to want a darker theme they might change it.

Kjasi 1 point 23 months ago

Actually, I think I would prefer a theme based on the old site's colors.

SimplyAtomic 1 point 23 months ago

YAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS but seriously a dark theme is amazing on most sites (just for variety), but on PCPP it would be amazing.

damikiller37 1 point 22 months ago

Hey I'm the maker of the dark theme that @rockerjman222 mentioned. You can apply it to the website using a plugin called Stylish. I have a thread on another forum explaining on how to install and use Stylish on your browser. Here is the link: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/313792-project-lights-off-making-websites-dark-one-by-one/

Here is the link to the dark theme userstyle I have made for this website: https://userstyles.org/styles/110580/pcpartpicker-dark-theme-v0-93

I would appreciate feedback so I can improve anything that is still a bit off. Please leave any feedback under the userstyle or on the LinusTechTips forum link above.

rockerjman222 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

lol, you're on linustechtips aswell xD, i would love to see a dark theme for that site from you :P

damikiller37 1 point 22 months ago

You can use this one which is what I use but slightly changed: https://userstyles.org/styles/109926/unofficial-ltt-night-theme-3-0

I use a version of that theme but with grey links instead of blue which was posted somewhere on LTT. You can make it yourself too (since that user just gave the CSS) to do so copy all of the code found here: http://pastebin.com/vQMNTS2h and create a new userstyle in Stylish and then in the "Applies to" area change the drop down to "URLs starting with" then in the text box type in: http://linustechtips.com/main/

Also there is the standard dark theme on LTT (scroll down to the bottom and on the left side you will see "Change Theme" and select "Night Theme". Personally I think it is too dark.

Also other handy things to have is the widescreen fix: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/330185-widescreen-fix-for-new-themes/

Sticky topbar: https://userstyles.org/styles/109686/ltt-sticky-nav-and-username-bars-for-v3-0-themes

For more addons for LTT go here: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/193630-complete-list-of-forum-addons-scripts-apps-etc/

Araraura 1 point 22 months ago

perhaps letting people add parts and edit parts

stnz 1 Build -2 points 24 months ago

Why do people always want a dark theme ?! This one is not even bright, you could lower your monitor's luminosity.

What I think would be an interesting feature would be the possibility to add a caption to uploaded pictures (maybe with a character limit, 140 just like on twitter would be plenty enough).

Thefan630 1 Build 2 points 24 months ago

We want dark themes because the natural "radiation" of white. Yeah sure we could lower brightness, at least we don't turn blind, but the text would get even harder to see

stnz 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

Higher contrast (black background and white text for example) actually puts more strain on the eye than white "radiation". Just saying :)

Thefan630 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

THEN we can all agree people want the dark theme due to style

arcana 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

Black background + orange text isn't necessarily as readable, but reduces eyestrain.

Also, that's not necessarily true in low light levels.

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MLGComputers 1 Build 9 points 24 months ago

The Slider thing though.ITS AMAZING!!

plgdg 1 Build 8 points 24 months ago

Great improvements, Philip. The new design just keeps getting better and better. Keep up the good work!

theninja35 6 points 24 months ago

I like the new slider price thing you showed. Will be very helpful ;)

Niyawa 4 points 24 months ago

The design choice behind having 1 additional click to get to the parts by hiding them under the header is an annoyance that I can't see as a necessity, given it's not saving any more precious vertical pixels than before. Just the "Blog > Title" alone has around 20-30 pixels of useless padding. If you count that with other parts of the website such as: comments spacers padding and circular avatars, you can see there's a very heavy focus on looks, but there's not much in terms of efficiency whatsoever.

I get it, touchscreens are a thing now. I'd like to believe our fingers can be fairly accurate though, and this design is overstating the amount of screen real estate it really needs. The improvements made to the loading of lists and overall website speed are hindered by these design choices that asks us for more redundant actions: more clicks, more scrolling.

I still like the design, I just believe we could use something that balances efficiency and looks in a more cozy and compact environment.

philip staff submitter 10 Builds 6 points 24 months ago

The site redesign wasn't aimed at touchscreens, though they do benefit from the new layout.

Compact and data dense layouts are good for a subset of people. Others find it overwhelming and leave. We are trying to balance the needs of a larger and more diverse user base than when I first started the site. So there are efficiency gains in the redesign, but you have to look at the bigger picture to see it.

I'm an engineer by trade, and I like really data dense site layouts. That's why the original design was what it was. But what became evident over four years of iterating was that it became very limiting. Literally every feature addition or improvement caused a struggle of where to place things, because everything was already so tightly squeezed in. There was so little room that it became a huge constraint. When new users came to the site, they were overwhelmed with the options and left. So in the end, we tried to strike a balance. Make the site more approachable, but retain all the configurability and functionality of the old site.

Some will only see more scrolling and an extra click to get to part categories - I get that. But one thing that was telling to me was that in the days after the rollout, we had several pcpp expert users come to us and say that "Wow, feature X is fantastic! Thanks for adding that!" Only, those features had been there for a year. They were literally in the same area of the page as before - it was just that the density of the old site made them very difficult to discover.

Niyawa 7 points 24 months ago

Hmn, I thought I had come up with some good criticism but after this reply, it's very obvious why I'm not a designer.

I want to note that I'm not against experimenting or trying to expand your user base with new concepts. Since you gave a good reason for why things are as they are I have no complaints on that part, no view fits all after all. Ultimately, I simply want PCPP to be the best it can, at the very least I know the people behind it is still striving for that, and that makes me happy.

mattk9609 1 Build 2 points 24 months ago

The amount of scrolling now necessary to navigate the site is killing me. And it could be fixed so easily...why waste half half of my screen on every page with the ridiculously huge sidebar?

All that empty space on the left (and this effects a lot of pages) could be utilized and make it so I don't need to scroll nearly as much. There is never much information in the sidebar, so why not move it to the top of the page? It wouldn't look quite as nice, but would also spread everything out a lot better and make it so everything isn't awkwardly squished onto the right side of my screen. I'm currently on a 4:3 but I'd imagine it be even worse on a 16:9.

The amount of scrolling and the weird right-lopsided design is really subtracting from the user experience for me, and making the site a daily visit to an occasional one.

Perhaps you could have the sidebar be able to be hidden, like in the image below? Please? I think this is a very good compromise.

wasted space

hidden sidebar

I'd really like yours or the designer's input on this.

P.S. Other than this I love the new design, and the mobile site is the bomb-diggity.

MLGComputers 1 Build 1 point 23 months ago

Can PCPARTPICKER have a LED section?

Spirafall 1 Build 3 points 24 months ago

I want to balance all the complaints you got in the last week by saying: thank you for continuing to work on the site! May the staff continue to bring many more improvements to PCPP.

Kjasi 3 points 23 months ago

I have some thoughts on Filtering; First, Parametric filters should respect the sorting applied to them. B) it would be great if they could include word-searching. Being able to specify "PRO" when looking for Samsung SSDs would help avoid EVO models.

3rd: Since we can sort video cards by their core clock, why isn't there a way to filter by core clock speeds? I would love to filter out cards that are less than 1.2 GHz...

Just some improvements...

AlexisGarcon 2 points 24 months ago

I really like the slider improvment, and the new layout in general. I don't really like the new color scheme tough. Prefered the old one. Other than that I really like it!

HyperStandard 1 Build 2 points 24 months ago

I've noticed that when you're looking through multiple pages (for example: completed builds) when you change pages it leaves you at the bottom and you have to scroll all the way up.

Faizan 2 points 24 months ago

Just a couple of things:

  • I don't like the fact that you can't see *everything on one page. Yes, you doubled it, but I liked being able to see all
  • As you scroll down the parts list for things like GPUs, the prices disappear. I don't know why, it's listed, no price
monkeybars 5 points 24 months ago

Because it isn't available for purchase from the retailers that they track.

JAShadic 2 points 24 months ago

The slider update makes everything easier.

I used to have to up the slider up a bit so it can register in the address bar and then edit it there. Now you don't have to do that!

Another idea: Add in the infinite scrolling in like the options or something! Maybe the preferences or something?

QuelVisage 1 Build 2 points 24 months ago

I love the new layout and changing the price manually on the slider is right on point. One suggestion: would it be too cumbersome to add thumbnail pictures to the parts lists? I say this because I and many others are trying to do color themed builds and it's a real chore having to go to the page and back to the list over and over to see what the part looks like.

darkbreeze 2 points 23 months ago

I'd just be happy to see all of the products listed showing accurate and available pricing. There are a LOT of components that were showing pricing on the old layout that are no longer showing any values in those fields despite being readily available on any number of the listed vendor sites.

I'd also be glad to see a more accurate reflection of the available hardware. If the hardware is NOT available, from any of the listed vendors, it shouldn't even show in the filtered list.

Mgd_Elislam 2 points 23 months ago

Dears PcPP , the market going toward mobility sizes products, the ARM, embedded systems, and low power consumption units are available now with reliable performance , and will grow more and more, there is an "Xeon® Processor E3-1220L v3 " processor witch its only 13 wat, we are now in 18 nanotechnology.

I hope you get some more attention to this small from factor and low power parts, Thanks.

ProdigyzMined 1 point 24 months ago

Build guides are still listed newest first >.<

philip staff submitter 10 Builds 3 points 24 months ago

An update to build guide sorting should be coming tomorrow.

hughwilliams2304@gmail.com 1 point 24 months ago

my build guide section is broken. when i use the slider for the price range the page stops working. it says "an error has occurred"???

philip staff submitter 10 Builds 1 point 24 months ago

What browser and version are you using? Also, do you also see a similar error when trying to add a part to your part list?

hughwilliams2304@gmail.com 1 point 24 months ago

a, i just tried it today and it seems to be all good. i don't know what was wrong? by the way i am using Google chrome Version 40.0.2214.115 m, if that is any help.

joelhowell 1 point 24 months ago

awesome I love this

khunicycler 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

Maybe you could add a search feature to that feedback forum because I don't really want to post something that someone else has already suggested or a bug that someone has already found. Having said that, I noticed on my tablet that I am not able to select a different Build when I go to my Saved Part List. Other than that, it has been an amazing overhaul to the site!! :D

iLLAYT 1 point 24 months ago

Updated site looks amazing!!

redchris18 1 point 24 months ago

Is there any way to start a new build without having to build it on top of your current list? I have been looking for a "New build" button for a little while now, but the only solution I can find is to save it over my current build and not overwrite it.

WDParsell 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

Save your current build. Start new build at top. Remove all button.

redchris18 1 point 24 months ago

Thought so. This just seems a little clunky compared to the previous option, which allowed you to just start from a blank build.

Odd design choice...

jakobsaloner 1 point 24 months ago

Great Job! Simplistic yet everything we need

oliveryad 1 point 24 months ago

Good improvements

Faizan 1 point 24 months ago

BUGS! It shows me that there are two XFX XTR PSUs, a 550 and 650. The 650 is $80 but it shows that the 550 is $66. But, if I click on or add the 550 one to my list, it tells me that it's $80! GET THE PRICES RIGHT.

manirelli staff 7 Builds 3 points 24 months ago

Looks like you may have caught a part between pricing updates. Are you still seeing this discrepancy on the site?

I see the 550 at ~82 dollars and the 650 at ~80 dollars.

Faizan 2 points 24 months ago

First of all, let me just say that for some strange reason, it feels like an honor having you reply since your part of the staff! But no, I'm not seeing this problem on the site anymore. It's weird, though. The prices changed right after I posted that message!

By the way, it's nice to see that the staff cares about the public. +1 :-)

Apach3 3 Builds 1 point 24 months ago

i like the new site, even though i still kinda miss the old one. not many sites can pull off a new look and yet still be comfortable to use.

the slider thing will be a welcome change, for sure.

Graestone45 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

I'm with some of the other people not liking how all of the part choosing pages are in a drop down kind of thing, it just doesn't seem intuitive to me.

WDParsell 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

After years of research and development, it was finally made... Visual new car smell. This site is now more beautiful then it was while equally useful. I love the new design and as I am getting used to the new layout of things, I learn to love it even more. Keep up the good work!

ruff_hi 3 Builds 1 point 24 months ago

Thanks for the update. The slider one improvement will be very useful. I was going to suggest that you look into your slider using the log scale. That would increase the ability to select lower price ranges. Your solution of manually typing them in works too.

Smk54 3 Builds 1 point 24 months ago

Overall most changes are improvements. Site is more useful than ever! Keep up the good work.

asesnic 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

Awesome! I personally thought the first update was great, and this is even better!

jacobs4525 1 Build 1 point 24 months ago

Would it be possible for build guides to disappear after a certain number of downvotes? If you could make them disappear once they get -5, it would make it so a few experienced members could clear out the crappy ones.

kylepatrickswan 3 Builds 1 point 24 months ago

I would like to see the return of navigation to different product categories. Add the links back into the wasted space pictured below. http://puu.sh/giGtF/c43fd2609a.png

Ejoman 1 point 24 months ago

Any updates on mobile app?

Jazzy663 1 point 24 months ago

Prefer the old design. But, beggars can't be choosers, I guess. Thanks for actively working to improve PCPP.

TechyinAZ 13 Builds 1 point 24 months ago

Found an issue:

When you go to your inbox, it brings up any new messages, however i noticed if i go to private messages then back to inbox, it doesn't work, i keep getting the private messages only. Please fix. Thx!

eldanimal 1 Build 1 point 23 months ago

Love the new site! Noticed a small bug, updated an existing feedback post here: https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/73443-completed-builds-section-not-working#cx741819

thunderdan602 1 Build 1 point 23 months ago

i dont like how you press the arrow buttons to go to the next button, the photo doesnt change. I also don't like not being able to add/update parts with updated prices to previous builds. For instance i added more ram to my build and i didnt pay as much for the new sticks, but i cant seem to add the new sticks to my list.

Junit151 1 point 23 months ago

The ability to integrate a text search into a parametric filter would be nice. I can't make a filter to include only WD Red hard drives because the only way to separate Red from the others is with a text search.

In addition, the ability to use some kind of search syntax to search for multiple terms. For example: "Dominator" + "Vengeance" when searching for Corsair memory but wanting to exclude all but these two product lines.

jdbuild 1 point 23 months ago

I'm a 63 year old kid who appreciates the work you have done here. I am delighted to have a place to go to work on computer builds/wish lists without having to "make a list" in XL or whatever. PCPartPicker.com allows the luxury of adding any and all options I can think of...being able to select products and have pricing available (not to mention monitoring price changes/sales/rebates) is a time saver.

I really like the "add a custom part" section. I just copy and paste model numbers, descriptions, etc., etc., and pop in the cost and link to the manufacturer's site. What a treat.

The completed builds section is also great. I don't consider myself to be be a novice nor am I an expert so this section allows us all to see what other builders are doing/thinking.

As for the design...for me it's clean and easy enough to work thru. I am confident the site will continue to grow and offer good information for the computer build community.

Nice work and thank you so much for your efforts.

karneychen 1 point 23 months ago

next time slowly make the changes as i( i dont know about others) had trouble convincing myself this was the actual site with a new design.

BlackDirt 1 point 23 months ago

How about the ability to hide comments? It is really annoying to go through all sub-comments of a comment to read the next comment. Just visually appealing and easy to read through the comment section.

Also, if you do add this usability, then I think you should consider minimizing the main comments on the initial view; if there are any sub-comments show a plus sign next to the post or top left. If they are interested in reading what others have to say about a user's comment, they can expand it, else just read the rest of comments.

By the way, KUDOS on the new design. I really loved the old one but, a change is always criticized at first but, eventually loved. I love it already :)

jimsbond_008 1 Build 1 point 23 months ago

Any plans of going mobile(android or iOS) as well?

Austinthemighty 1 point 23 months ago

they already have it

Austinthemighty 1 point 23 months ago

the only thing i wish you guys would remove is having pages when looking for parts, it makes it impossible to compare items on multiple pages.

also could you guys add a way to sort multiple items like on ram like it i wont to sort it by price and speed, or on cpu coolers: fan speed and price

dccorreia 1 Build 1 point 23 months ago

Congratulations for this site. It's a inpirational point of interest to everybody who deal with new pc projects, their experiences, etc. Keep going. Would be nice some translations to several languages, portuguese, german, french, etc

Jacktastic-PC 1 point 23 months ago

I would love an option to switch it to gallery mode so that we could see the items not only by name but by what they look like instead of going in then backing out of the page! :)

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Araraura 1 point 22 months ago

you should let people add and edit parts that already exist on the site. just like in wikipedia

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Ejoman 1 point 22 months ago

Any updates on App progress? Maybe some hints to when it will come out?

arcana 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

frankly, the mobile site is really solid... mobile app bloat is just more stuff to support when the web interface works perfectly fine.

What would you gain from having an app that isn't already on the mobile site interface?

Ejoman 1 point 22 months ago

Offline Support

arcana 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

You can get that by just bookmarking a page for offline access... again, nothing really that isn't just as easy with a web browser.

PeepingTom 1 point 22 months ago

Still waiting on whole-build price history/alerts :(

MonkeyKing1969 2 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Change is hard, but I like the look overall. It looks modern and sophisticated.

peariphery 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

I don't know why, but I really love the picture you guys used for the article link. https://pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/img/blog/site-tweaks.jpg Do you guys happen to have this as a wallpaper in 1080p, by any chance? :D

philip staff submitter 10 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Glad you like it! I think philcoffman has the original in vector format, so I'm sure we can generate one in 1080 for you. He's out of the office for the next week or so, but I'll ping him when he gets back and have him send one to you.

GentlemanShark 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Pls.

BossAdventure 1 point 22 months ago

YASSS dark theme would be great

Bigglesw0rth 1 point 22 months ago

Looks very good, simple and elegant. The fact that improvements are made through filtering community feedback is a best practice in terms of web design.

nomnikon 1 point 21 months ago

Still crap revert to old layout please.

philip staff submitter 10 Builds 1 point 21 months ago

Wow, with such polite feedback let me get right on that.

Godzlegend1 1 point 21 months ago

HAHAHAHAHAAHA

Holy ****.......

No one can say you're not a funny guy.

LynxBuilder 1 point 18 months ago

Hey Philip. I know that I am a bit late, but can you please make a PCPartPicker app. Thanks.

LukeSunwalker 0 points 24 months ago

Hi! The site update is a really nice move! It feels really 2015 compared to the older interface.

That being said, if you're still taking feedback, I would ask if it would be possible to include the country selection in the profile management. I am from Canada and I got to change from U.S. to Canada each and every time I log onto the site (Or does it work with cookies and I block them?). I'm cool with it but it would be a nice addition to the already beautiful and useful interface you've just created.

Thanks

linuxfanatic 0 points 23 months ago

Can you please remove unavailable parts from the list?

hedgehog1029 0 points 23 months ago

Very much prefer the new layout. Keep it up!

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