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Enthusiast Gaming Build

by ThoughtA

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283 Comments

Description

This high end build features a black and red theme. As such, you'll find numerous part choices have been made to achieve this aesthetic. If black and red isn't your thing, feel free to use our Colors filter to select parts with different colors.

You can see a video based on this guide in action here.

CPU and Cooler

At this budget, we're running an i5-6600K. This quad-core CPU features an unlocked multiplier for easy and often significant overclocking. While not all games will benefit from overclocking, games like Overwatch can benefit significantly from a faster CPU. Overclocking can also help your CPU stave off obsolescence for a good while longer. All of that being said, if you're not comfortable overclocking, you can save money by stepping down to an i5-6600, removing the non-stock cooler, and going with a cheaper H170 motherboard. If you do remove the CAPTAIN 240 EX cooler from your list, note that the i5-6600k does not come with its own cooler, and you'll have to add one. The i5-6600 does come with a cooler. As mentioned above, our selected cooler is the Deepcool CAPTAIN 240 EX. It's a sharp-looking cooler and keeps with the black and red theme.

Motherboard

We have selected the MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC motherboard to continue our black and red theme and allow overclocking via the i5-6600k's unlocked multiplier. This board supports 4 DIMMs for up to 64GB of RAM at several overclockable RAM speeds. It also include some basic expectations like a USB 3.0 header. The Z170A Tomahawk AC has 6 SATA 3.0 connectors for all your storage needs. Additionally, SLI/Crossfire is an option down the road with this board, though you'll want to make sure your PSU could handle multiple GPUs if you go that route.

Storage

Storage requirements vary from to user so we've selected both a solid state drive and a mechanical drive as a base line for this guide. Since our motherboard has an m.2 port we can avoid using a couple extra cables by adding an m.2 to the part list. The parametric selection chooses an m.2 drive at 512GB or larger which you can use for your operating system, games and regularly accessed programs. Should you need more storage we have also included a parametric filter to choose a 3TB or larger mechanical drive that runs at 7200rpm. Feel free to add more as less storage based on your usage and needs.

Memory

For memory, we're filtering for the best-priced 2x8GB kit of black and red DDR4 RAM. Feel free to click the "From parametric filter" link to see the various options and pick a color that suits you. With how fast RAM is these days, aesthetics will likely matter more to you than the negligible performance difference faster RAM provides in gaming. We're also taking a sparse selection of roughly 1TB SSDs that have proven to be fast, and we're including a filter for the best-priced 3TB mechanical hard drive. Everyone's storage needs differs, so feel free to change those capacities to your heart's desire.

GPU

Our GPU is the very popular GeForce GTX 1080. This is currently one of the fastest single GPU video cards in the market - you may want to look into a 120-144Hz and/or 2560x1440 resolution monitor for this bad boy. The parametric filter is set for the best-priced 1080 available, but feel free to click the "From parametric filter" link to browse our listing of 1080s. For those interested in VR, the GTX 1080 will have no problem playing any and and all applications currently on the market.

Case

All of our parts are housed in the recently released Thermaltake View 27. This case stands out with its gull-wing window and translucent front panel, and it features 2 front panel USB 3.0 ports and excellent cable management. Cases tend to be highly personal choices, so make sure you browse our listed cases to see what suits you.

PSU

Powering the build is a sparse selection of some of the most well-reviewed PSUs available - all without breaking the bank. All of them are certified 80+ Gold and either semi-modular or fully-modular.


Edit: Newegg has put together a SuperCombo based on this build guide and its accompanying video. If you're considering building a system based around this guide, make sure to check it out!

Update: The original SuperCombo above is no longer available, but Newegg has kindly made an alternate SuperCombo that is even closer to our build video components. A big thanks to them for making this offer available!

Part List Customize This Part List

Compatibility Check: See notes below.

Estimated Wattage: 447W
Component Selection Base Promo Shipping Tax Price Where
CPU $234.69 FREE $234.69 SuperBiiz Buy
CPU Cooler $86.99 FREE $86.99 SuperBiiz Buy
Motherboard
Memory
From parametric filter
  • Type: 288-pin DIMM
  • Size: 16GB (2x8GB)
  • Heat Spreader: Yes
  • Color: Black/Red, Red, Red/Black, Red/White, White/Red
$79.99 FREE $79.99 Newegg Buy
Storage
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 512GB - 10TB
  • Interface: M.2 (M)
  • Form Factor: M.2-2280
$169.11 FREE $169.11 Amazon Buy
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 3TB - 10TB
  • Type: 7200RPM
  • Interface: SATA 6 Gb/s
  • Form Factor: 3.5"
$72.58 $9.90 $82.48 Amazon Buy
Video Card
From parametric filter
  • Chipset: GeForce GTX 1080
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Case $61.99 $61.99 NCIX US Buy
Power Supply $69.99 FREE $69.99 Newegg Buy
Base Total: $1356.00
Shipping: $9.90
Total: $1365.90
* Using your selected merchants and only including nearby in-store pickup prices)
* Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders.

Compatibility Notes

Comments Sorted by:

jipster69 4 Builds 22 points 1 month ago

I read through these comments ThoughtA and I just repeatedly...

* facepalm *

So frustrating it must be... I think people are confusing "enthusiast" with "glorious" but yes, both are subjective. Then, not knowing what a parametric filter is to PSU bashing... you are a saint. Thanks for the updated build guide. Keep up the good work!

Robotfood 2 Builds 5 points 1 month ago

I agree.

I mean as soon as we get into high-end GPU's and unlocked CPU's I think that's enough to be considered "enthusiast". This is by no means a mainstream build and the parts choices here would have you set for a long long while.

DuRkArcher 4 points 1 month ago

jipster I completely agree with you. Also, ThoughtA, amazing job.

THEDOOMEDHELL -5 points 1 month ago

I just don't see why you'd have an i5 with a 1080... is the i5 oc'd actually that good?

jipster69 4 Builds 6 points 1 month ago

You are talking a few (not discernable) fps difference between an i7 and i5 in 90+% of all gaming scenarios. There are a few titles where more threads can be utilized... and therefore the gains or more pronounced.

I would NOT refer to this difference as a bottle neck of the GPU by the i5. Its really just the ability of the i7s 8 logical cores to shine a little brighter so to speak.

MightyMushroom 2 points 20 days ago

exactly, if your going to be doing more cpu extensive tasks like video rendering or streaming an i7 will help but even the i5 could handle these things fairly well

coralfumes 1 point 1 month ago

From what I've seen, an i7 will make your lowest FPS ~10 higher.

jipster69 4 Builds 5 points 1 month ago

Yea... So we talking 120 vs 110 fps? Even 60 vs 50 fps is hard to distinguish. I acknowledged it benches higher... but other than the higher numbers on paper, it doesn't equate to a noticeable performance gain when we are talking strictly gaming (in most titles). There are a few AAA and multi thread games that will shine higher than normal... but at this time it is an exception and not the norm.

THEDOOMEDHELL -8 points 1 month ago

But we're talking about an enthusiast build right? Not just for gaming but for actual work loads?

jipster69 4 Builds 7 points 1 month ago

Enthusiast Gaming Build

THEDOOMEDHELL 0 points 1 month ago

Ok sorry then

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SpazSpy 1 point 1 month ago

Not anymore.

JoemanXD 1 Build 17 points 1 month ago

Why in gods holy name do people think a 6600K would bottleneck a GTX 1080. ******* hell...

halkun 7 points 1 month ago

I understand the frustration. I'm sure it's honest mistake with people being new to the pc building area. :)

manquake 1 Build 3 points 1 month ago

im pretty sure it has to do with people simply reading benchmark reviews and not actually doing real life testing and personal reviews. When using a pc for everyday/gaming/productivity you are never going to have just one thing running or always overclocking to the max. for gaming the 6600k is just fine put a Titan on it for pete's sake If you want to. At the end of the day people build their dream machine if it pleases them go for it!!

somerandomguy345 1 point 1 month ago

I don't regret getting the 6600k, yet. I regret the mobo decision. My other computer has the 6700k (and is overclocked to 4.4) and it has no bottleneck. Windows and some other programs surprisingly eat up little bytes of bandwidth and it adds up. Until I saw it with my own eyes I didn't believe it could happen.

I've been replacing parts over the last couple months to remove bottlenecks (so far RAM and HDD).

Now that i've upgraded the HDD and the RAM, the CPU is hitting 100%. Keep in mind, the next step is a new mobo and overclocking or getting the 7700k and a z270 board.

GTX 1080 6600k H110m SSD 16 GB DDR4 2800 (limited to 2133 by mobo)

4IRS0FT 1 point 4 days ago

There will always be bottle-necking in the system no matter what but depending on the balance of your system it could be unnoticeable.

shadowfax6482 1 point 6 days ago

hey it will bottleneck a GTX 1080 by about .1fps what you thinking :P

Amanjccjc 1 point 3 days ago

Will the i5 6600k bottleneck any graphics card out right now?

ten8yp 2 Builds -1 points 22 hours ago

why in gods holy name do people think computer parts bottleneck EACH OTHER... they DO NOT. Programs and tasks "bottleneck" specific (lesser) parts of a system as a whole.

But on that thought... -Why in god holy name would someone build a computer like this? -Why in gods holy name would someone buy an I5 6600k (around $200ish cpu) and pair it with a $600 GPU -Why in gods holy name would someone spend $168.99 on an M.2 drive that is well known to be slower, last less time and generally be of lesser quality/performance than other similar drives? -Why in gods holy name would someone build a nice computer like then put it in a $61 inept case like the one chosen? I'm sure there are more I've missed but you get the point. This build is ****.

WirelessCables 1 point 17 hours ago

Why in gods holy name would someone buy an I5 6600k (around $200ish cpu) and pair it with a $600 GPU

The i5-6600k and GTX 1080 has proven to be an effective combo. If your budget is tighter, you could downgrade to a 1070. Plus, you can always overclock the i5 to get a little more performance out of it.

$61 inept case

The staff try to rotate through cases that are uncommon or unique. For example, the View 27 is not a very common case, and unique, though not to everyone's taste (I personally think Thermaltake should have spent longer designing it.) Since it is not very common and is unique, it has a higher chance of being in a build guide. Unless the staff have changed their case 'tiering', that is. ;-)

This build is ****.

No need to be rude. If you think that the build guide should be changed, try providing a parts list with your changes. The staff are open to suggestions! =-)

ten8yp 2 Builds 1 point 3 hours ago

It wasn't personal and definitely not meant as a personal attack. I'm sure the person who built this guide has done MANY good ones like I've seen on this website. Didn't mean to be rude, I just dont care for the build. Like I said it wasn't personal. I apologize if it was taken personally.

I understand what you mean about the case. And honestly you're absolutely right. Perhaps I was a little quick to judge since it is such a unique design. I also agree they could have done just a few things a little different and it would have been amazing. If you'll allow me, I retract my "inept" comment.

I have an I5-6600k and I love it. Its a great cpu and for a $1300ish budget its decent. The GTX 1080 is also a great gpu. They just dont belong together. The 1080 is a high end card that belongs in higher end builds and particularly at a $1300 budget someone building a system should be looking at a GTX 1070 or something in the $200-$400 budget for GPU's. Showing this build as a suggested guide is very BAD advice to newcomers or people who may not know the products as well as others.

Again, I dont mean anything personal and I'm not attacking any individuals. Its just my opinion of the build. Since you requested here are two different variants of this build I would suggest both in the same price range. I kept a few of the items the same and left the same case. This build was about a $1500 one if you include the motherboard (which I would have picked a slightly different variant) but I left it the same to try to get a similar budget/result. The first is about $165 less, the second is about $75 more and worth every penny.

About $165 less...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $234.69 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler Deepcool CAPTAIN 240 EX 153.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $86.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC ATX LGA1151 Motherboard -
Memory Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $79.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 960 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $129.99 @ B&H
Storage Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $89.69 @ OutletPC
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card $428.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Thermaltake View 27 ATX Mid Tower Case $61.99 @ NCIX US
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $89.49 @ SuperBiiz
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1201.82
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-18 08:27 EST-0500

About 75$ more

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor $329.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler Deepcool CAPTAIN 240 EX 153.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $86.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC ATX LGA1151 Motherboard -
Memory Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $79.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 960 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $129.99 @ B&H
Storage Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $89.69 @ OutletPC
Video Card Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Edition Video Card $580.66 @ Amazon
Case Thermaltake View 27 ATX Mid Tower Case $61.99 @ NCIX US
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $79.49 @ SuperBiiz
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1438.79
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-18 08:29 EST-0500
ymom2 -3 points 17 days ago

In battlefield one, my 6600 bottlenecks my GTX 1080. However, this is probably because poor optimization or a bug in the game.

ten8yp 2 Builds 1 point 5 hours ago

parts do not bottleneck other parts.

vagabond139 5 Builds 10 points 1 month ago

Its not a build guide unless there are some salty comments.

jipster69 4 Builds 2 points 21 days ago
WirelessCables 1 point 8 days ago

Preach.

sciencekidster 6 points 1 month ago

I'm really new to this - Is there any way you could post a build video?

manirelli staff 7 Builds 11 points 1 month ago

We plan to build this one after the holidays. Keep an eye out!

CheddarMelt 1 point 1 month ago

Thanksgiving or Christmas? ;)

Mine is being delivered this week...

manirelli staff 7 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Thanksgiving. I believe later this week but it depends on some of our other projects.

dragon-hypernova 3 points 1 month ago

Where would I found this video?

Den6612 1 point 1 month ago

Is there anyway I can keep up with your build guides? I am new, btw.

manirelli staff 7 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

We update them roughly once a month. Your best bet is to just visit the guide main page periodically. Welcome to the site!

CheddarMelt -1 points 1 month ago

cool! Thanks.

necronikka 1 point 1 month ago

Are you planning to make a build video on this? I'd love to see it. ! Is it happening soon?

manirelli staff 7 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Video is already shot. We are just finishing up editing. I imagine it will go live this week.

AbandonedMind 1 point 1 month ago

Thank-you will be looking forward to seeing how the case looks with a system in it

necronikka 1 point 29 days ago

It's still not up :(

manirelli staff 7 Builds 1 point 28 days ago

It actually went up 4 days ago. Make sure you subscribe to our youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVdcE3DcleM

InvaderGir 1 point 1 month ago

There are plenty of build guides on their YouTube channel. It might not be exactly the same parts but the construction is the same.

bugler 4 points 1 month ago

I guess I am just old. My last build was 2010. Now it seems that so many folks are building around a color theme. I don't get it but to each their own. For me, the standard of a computer is performance and task accomplishment at given price points. My new Thermaltake case has a window on the side. I purchased the case for the performance specs and options the window is just there, I guess for folks who want to stare in at a few pieces of electronics. As I said, I guess I am just old; however, as I look at reviews on Newegg and amazon has I gather parts for my current build project, it is frustrating to see so many comments start with how good the parts look and not how well they perform.

JackOfSpades789 3 points 1 month ago

Just a quick question, why no i7? The 6600k is a great CPU, but couldn't an i7 6700k leave someone with a little bit a breathing room in terms of content creation and "virtual" cores? And yes, I totally agree with your assessment of what the term "enthusiast" is ThoughtA.

llamasbetrippin01 5 points 1 month ago

The 6600k is great budget CPU with no compromises as to gaming, also to productivity it's still a very god CPU, it's performance to price for me but others think likewise. So all-in-all an i5-6600k will not bottleneck from a GTX 1080 under no circumstances, unless of course there is thermal throttling from the CPU which is unlikely because of the AIO.

JackOfSpades789 -4 points 1 month ago

Err, I would beg to disagree. For gaming, the 6600k is fine. For productivity purposes, the 6700k is way better. The extra "virtual"cores that the i7 offers a significant boost to performance in tasks such as Adobe Premier and Adobe After-Effects. The bump in clock speed helps as well, but not that much. Right now, the 6700k is breaking about $300 even (Amazon I believe). If the difference between the 6600k and 6700k is not that great why not go for the better chip?

llamasbetrippin01 5 points 1 month ago

Well of course the 6700k is going to be better in almost all cases, I'm getting the 6700k for that reason and its only like €94 or $100 more

Hambopro 1 Build 3 points 1 month ago

If one is solely gaming, then the 6600k is sufficient (and actually outperforms the 6700k in some cases when overclocked), but yes I would agree that if you intend to stream/game and create some content then the 6700k might be a suitable option. However I would strongly recommend completely skipping the 6700k and go straight into the 6800k or 5820k for ~$80 more if content creating is more important.

coralfumes -1 points 1 month ago

OC'd 66k V.S. stock 67k, the 66k MAY outperform in SOME cases, but as soon as you OC the 67k, you're miles away. I've seen many comparisons and from what I can tell, the 67k will boost your lowest FPS ~5-10. Plus, it's only $60 more currently.

Hambopro 1 Build 4 points 1 month ago

Uhh mate, it's at least $110 more at the moment, I personally don't think it's worth the extra 5 fps, and besides with that extra money you could buy a better CPU cooler and overclock the 6600k even further (most get up to 5ghz with decent coolers), which is unbeatable at this current moment.

7thGen 1 point 17 days ago

At least it's not AMD. Triggered

WirelessCables 1 point 8 days ago

At least it's not AMD.

Zen / Vega

pewise 3 points 1 month ago

i5-6600K won't bottleneck GTX 1080... Also u don't need high-frequency DDR4 memory. The difference between 2133 and 2800 is VERY small. In fact, you won't notice it. And liquid cooling like this is too much for this processor. You should have taken Corsair H70 or something like it.

Matthewtina2015 3 points 1 month ago

Why is it too much?

Most AIOs under 240mm have horrible value

sterfri99 0 points 1 month ago

Also depends on how far you OC it. I don't know if I'd want an H70 on it if I'm pushing the CPU to 4.5Ghz

Matthewtina2015 3 points 1 month ago

It doesn't really matter. You can get much better air coolers for less.

Was it necessary to downvote me?

ten8yp 2 Builds 1 point 22 hours ago

Its ok... I up-voted you. The cooler in this build is perfect.

Matthewtina2015 1 point 19 hours ago

thank you

sterfri99 0 points 1 month ago

A. Some people prefer air cooling since it's definitely cheaper, and often the price:performance (heat dissipation) is better than AIO's. Personally, I prefer shelling out a couple extra bucks for the tiny performance increase and the slightly quieter cooling if I'm pushing a higher OC. Hence, why I mentioned that it depends.

B. I didn't?

Matthewtina2015 4 points 1 month ago

That's the thing though. A $70 H70 performs worse than a Dark Rock Pro 3 that's $60. The performance isn't good for the price until you hit 240mm AIOs.

Oh, ok, my bad. Sorry

ten8yp 2 Builds 1 point 22 hours ago

Why would you spend just a few dollars less on cooling your cpu just to get less performance? The liquid cooler in this build is one of the few parts he actually did RIGHT.

Dolnorgen -5 points 1 month ago

Depends on the games but there is a difference between ram frequency that can go up to 20 fps between 2000 and 3200.

sterfri99 2 points 1 month ago

Mate... no game will increase 20 fps from the RAM speed difference. Amount of RAM will make far more difference than speed.

Dolnorgen 1 point 1 month ago

Looking at benchmarks there seems to be no difference between 32 and 16gb of ram. Whereas speed seems to impact your performances, read this article http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/

javeloe 1 point 1 month ago

well if the bottleneck is on the RAM, usually if the system is in sli or crossfire with a good cpu, and the ram is say ddr4-2133. in this case, using higher clocked ram like ddr4-4333 will give one 10-20 more fps when playing some games. But if the bottleneck is elsewhere, meaning single gpu, the fps gains when using higher clocked RAM is negligible, maybe 2-5 more fps, not worth it. So unless you are building a really high end system with multiple gpus, RAM frequency isn't much of a deal.

Maxxoz 3 points 1 month ago

Well okay, there are two general gaming high-end build guides now. The Glorious and the Enthusiast. I agree that this is Enthusiast, but I think it's a bit weird to refer to the Glorious build guide (not saying that any of you guys is referring to the Glorious Build Guide) if you just want a bit more premium parts (f.e. the motherboard is great, but there's a huge difference between a top-of-the-line X99 motherboard and the Tomahawk). Same goes for the case, the SSD and maybe even the PSU. It would be nice if we had a something like a 'Premium Gaming Build', which is an upgraded version of the Enthusiast that includes other parts. They would look really similar, but at least there is something like a difference!

PhantomWizzrobe 3 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately a lot of corners were cut for the 1080...

dragon-hypernova 2 points 1 month ago

Is a step by step video coming? If so when?

RaziA-H 2 points 1 month ago

but can it run pinball 3d

Dantuttledt 2 points 27 days ago

In light of my high disdain for liquid cooling units, I beg the question whether a traditional air cooler as being such the Cooler Master Hyper 212X would provide adequate cooling for the given CPU. Furthermore, would the given case provided needed clearance?

Sammy_Ming 1 point 1 month ago

Ahh the MSI Tomahawk was just what I was looking for

JDHoynes 1 point 1 month ago

The view 27 looks sick

FlimsyBane 1 point 1 month ago

Im getting this build soon. I already bought the SSD, DDr's and the PSU. I was thinking about going with the i5 6500 so I could save some money on the cooler. Why does it say "The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6Gb/s ports are disabled." in the compatibility notes? Explain like im five pls first build

InvaderGir 3 points 1 month ago

It means exactly what it says, if you are using an m.2 drive it will disable 2 SATA ports on the motherboard. The motherboard has 6 so it's not an issue.

The i5-6500 is still a great CPU so you can save a bit by going with it and not getting the cooler. The i5-6500 comes with a CPU cooler in the box.

richardlin13 1 point 1 month ago

Nice guide, however do you need to buy a DVD drive to install the drivers?

InvaderGir 4 points 1 month ago

No, it's best to get the most recent drivers from the manufacturers website.

richardlin13 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks!

Lividxphos 1 point 1 month ago

wish i had anything close to this, im over here with my first pc with a fx 6300 and a 750 ti. definitely better than my old all in one though lol

Lividxphos 1 point 1 month ago

and all these people talking about enthusiast pc's, i think an enthusiast pc is more a pc that you spent a lot of time and put alot of effort into making exactly the way you want it.

Dhaneshen 1 point 1 month ago

lmao, when i considered making my build i got a radeon r7 200, when i could have gotten a gtx 750 ti (but i didn't know they existed at the point, so i wasted $100 on a gpu that's no where near as good as one that is the same price)

motalu 1 point 1 month ago

Pretty new with PC builds and compatibility. Will I be able to instead use an i7 - 4790k instead of the i5- 6600K listed here?

526christian 2 points 1 month ago

No. The 4790K uses a different socket - LGA1150.

hcaz5 2 points 1 month ago

If you want to the 4790k, you should just get an i7-6700k instead. They're about the same price, and the 6700k is a little better. Plus you can use the 6700k in this build, since it has the same socket as the 6600k.

CheezyDoughnut 1 point 1 month ago

Should I worry about any noise cancellation? I don't want it to be too loud while I enjoy it. Also, It seems I cannot add a disc drive, is there any way I can do that? or would it be easier to just not worry about it and try to install windows with a flash drive or something? Thank you for your help!

ntitco1 3 points 1 month ago

I dont think you have to worry much about the noise. I'm not personally sure about the Deepcool cooler but most of the time a 240mm AIO should keep the 6600K cool running in quiet mode. The optical drive really depends on your need. If you do want it, maybe replace the case with sth like the Define R5?

CheezyDoughnut 1 point 1 month ago

Hello, ntitco1. Thank you for all your help. My room can get extremely hot in the summertime, so I decided to go with adding more fans and risking the extra noise, if it is too loud, I will look into some noise cancellation. The only issue I have now is that it says estimated wattage went up to 462. Will the 88 watts with the 550w power supply be enough headroom or should I think about getting a slightly higher watt power supply? I think that will be the last of the help I will need lol.

ntitco1 1 point 1 month ago

Dont worry about the noise, adding more fans would let you run them at much lower rpm which generally leads to more quiet system. In terms of need, any system with 1 graphics card shouldnt need more than a 500W PSU, especially modern cards that have become much more energy efficient. I do personally tend to go overkill with my power supply tho. You dont need it, but if you have more money to spend and want to get some future proof, feel free.

ntitco1 3 points 1 month ago

Generally I wouldnt worry too much about the case fans also. Although you can definitely add a couple if you want. They may help (a bit) cuz the 1080 can get quite hot. Just check out how many fans your case support in the first place. A simpler and more budget friendly solution is to settle down to a 1070 card if you dont really need the power of 1080 (lol). And most people dont.

CheezyDoughnut 1 point 1 month ago

Also, if anyone can give me any information about weather or not adding fans is a good idea, that would be great!

ltbest 0 points 1 month ago

I copied my Windows 7 disc to a thumb drive and have successfully used it to boot into setup. You'll need to make the USB bootable: Rufus is great for this - a small, free program https : / / rufus DOT akeo DOT ie/ (Change the word DOT to . and remove all spaces) Otherwise, I have saved my Windows 8.1 media creation tool onto a separate thumbdrive. Then I got smart and put them on a ring and labelled them. Some folks don't like 8.1 but after cleaning up that strange interface I now have very easy to find and HUGE buttons with live weather and news tiles. I think its really clean and sharp.

EdoardoArtz 1 point 1 month ago

(Newbie here this will be my first build soon) 2 questions : Can i switch the GPU with a NVIDIA GTX 1080 one? Can i switch from the i5 to the i7? I need that for streaming. Can i use liquid cooling instead? Is the build overclockable with these changes included?

Space_Rover 3 points 1 month ago
  1. Can i switch the GPU with a NVIDIA GTX 1080 one? That is a 1080.
  2. Can i switch from the i5 to the i7? Yes.
  3. Can i use liquid cooling instead? its on the list for the cpu, but for the gpu look at Msi and evga for watercooled 1080s.
  4. Is the build overclockable with these changes included? Yes.
Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

You can switch to the 1080 bit it probably is not nesseasary

You can switch to i7, you don't jave to have an i7 for streaming. You can use AIOs (liquid cooling). Overclockability depends on the CPU, if the CPU name has a K at the end, like "I5-6600K", then you can overclock it given you have the correct motherboard socket/chipset. In this case, the build is skylake (intel 6th gen) so you would need an LGA1151/Z170 motherboard to overclock.

CheezyDoughnut 1 point 1 month ago

If anyone can help. I added some extra case fans due to my room being very hot over the summer and my estimated wattage wentry up to 461. Is the 550w power supply enough with the 88w headroom or should I get one with more room? I'm not savvy but would assume having it near max power would be bad for the supply, imy just not sure how much room I would need.

PaelentheAwesom 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Honestly, I don't think adding case fans would solve that. It will help if you only have like 2-3 fans right now though. I would suggest get a 650w for a cleaner power distribution and also so you don't have to worry about future power usage(maybe)

Fatchild 1 point 1 month ago

That's one hell of a pc

awfulnaut 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks for the guide! I'll be building this early next week. I'll let you know how it goes!

awfulnaut 1 point 1 month ago

Got the parts early and I have it built and running!

I ran into a couple problems with the cooler since it has to plug into that fan cable hub. The cables are a bit short on the fans that connect to the radiator, and the sticky backing on the hub isn't sticky enough. Also, the tubing that goes to the radiator runs into the RAM a bit, so you just have to push it around them.

The wireless card antennae are very difficult to attach, but that may have just been the one I got. They're just so darn small. I ended up using tweezers to squeeze it on there.

The case is beautiful, but I did have a problem with one screw on the plate that covers the lowest fan slot on the front. It was stripped before I even touched it. Fortunately, you don't need that bottom fan slot. Don't be afraid to yank on that front cover, by the way. It's a little scary, but you just gotta tug on the bottom first and it'll snap out of there.

Thanks for a successful build guide! Now to learn about overclocking... Anyone have any tips on where to start? I'll be praying to the silicon gods that I hit the lotto.

dragon-hypernova 1 point 1 month ago

look at techsource on youtube. He has some great overclocking videos.

Auziarrow 1 point 1 month ago

I have a question. This will be my first gaming computer, but I can only run on WI-FI. What do you recommend as a good adapter?

Orrubieso -2 points 1 month ago

First off I would personally change some things about this build. I recommend getting a SAMSUNG 850 EVO 250GB or 500GB, it is much cheaper, and better in every way possible. SAMSUNG has by far the best SSDs that are out there, if you want to see some stats check out userbenchmark.com. If you have some extra money just go for the Samsung 950 Pro 250GB or 500GB, which is the highest rated SSD out there but can be quite pricey. I know it is completely irrelevant from what you asked but their is a performance difference of 80% in favor of samsung in case you wanted to get this exact build. The Wirless adapter you should get is: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter :)

CarlTurbo13 1 point 1 month ago

Hello, I want to replace the liquid cooler with an air cooler instead. Is there a suitable replacement?

1Star 2 points 1 month ago

I would say that the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo would probably preform well, but if you really want to take overclocking to the max, stick with water cooling.

Jamile 1 point 1 month ago

is the water cooling really necessary or is it a icing on cake for elitists

preaux 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

It isn't necessary, but both air and water have pros and cons. You might be able to eke out an extra 0.1Ghz with a 240mm AIO as opposed to a high end dual tower air cooler like a Dark Rock Pro 3.

Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

Middle ground. It serves use but is not necessary at this level.

Darkhelms 1 point 1 month ago

I modified this build a little bit. Went with EVGA GTX1070 FTW (leds) and a larger m.2 drive. I'm new to this site so I don't know how to add my parts to the list so here is my link. Let me know what you think.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CYbpzM

Parts should be in tomorrow and I'll try to figure out how to post a picture of the finished build.

Question: Reviews on the PCIe Extension cable (riser) seem to be terrible but this case is designed to use one (if available). What do you guys think about this?

Darkhelms 1 point 1 month ago

Well I built it. Its awesome! Water cooler with that case is so hot (figuratively speaking). Haven't been able to put it through its paces yet but I plan to very soon. Played a little Elite Dangerous on it is all so far. I've attempted to add a few links to the images. All the pieces that I added in my upper link worked like a charm.

https://goo.gl/photos/uXNGjXF4CfCkeFSB7

https://goo.gl/photos/no5vL9JDedw8M2PY6

https://goo.gl/photos/GrPuGgpHCEbmMuT26

DogBiscuits 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Looks good!

Did you post your build on the build page?

Osmin 1 point 1 month ago

guys if I use this same build but change the graphics card to a GTX 1070 and keep my Intel i5 4460 would the computer still run really well? I have never built or replaced parts on my computer before and really confused on what I should get. I have been told that i5 is not good for gaming by some people and others say I have a good processor already, I would appreciate any help guys especially with compatibility thank you so much!

TristanKing 1 point 1 month ago

1070 would be fine with the 4460 for now, although I'd recommend planning for a CPU upgrade, maybe next year to Cannon Lake.

1Star 1 point 1 month ago

To be honest, i5s are fine for gaming, but if you intend on doing max settings gaming I would suggest the i5 6600k.

Jaybone909 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Really digging that case! I might have to go with that for my next build whenever that may be. Good work!

preaux 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

You have to be careful with those Amazon Hitachi drives, particularly the UltraStars. If you read reviews people are often shipped used or refurbished drives outside of the manufacturer warranty period and the seller only offers a 90-day warranty. It depends on which seller they come from. When recommending builds to people I often have to avoid including Hitachi in my PCPP links if I don't have time to research what the buyer will receive.

I do like the choices in the PSU Parametric filter though, all very high quality options for powering very expensive GPUs and CPUs. I would consider adding the XFX XTR to the list as it's based upon the Seasonic SSR-G Platform.

dragon-hypernova 1 point 1 month ago

How much extra RAM can I pile onto this?

Em_See 2 points 1 month ago

This motherboard supports up to 64gb of DDR4 ram with speeds up to 3400. So, you can add up to 48gb more, if you desire.

dragon-hypernova 1 point 1 month ago

thx

dragon-hypernova 1 point 1 month ago

Recommend these

Thermaltake Sleeve Extension Power Supply Cable Kit, Power Supply, Black & Red (AC-033-CN1NAN-A1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IA9FFIY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_w6gsybSKBZMHJ

PC_PICKER_100 1 point 1 month ago

this good for wot?

davenator49111 1 point 1 month ago

Personally I think the GTX 1070 would be the better choice. It's cheaper but not much less powerful. Just IMO

Vollmer 1 point 1 month ago

Newbie here. Gonna do this build twice at once with two teens. My first build since mid 90's. A couple newbie questions.

Will a generic gaming pc build video be enough to learn how to do this? If not, what's the best way to learn? Is there anything in this build that you would consider "tricky"?

Thanks much. This has been a great resource.

Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

Will a generic gaming pc build video be enough to learn how to do this?

Maybe. The videos would cover everything except the AIO. The AIO would ne tricky for a newbie.

Nihil84 1 point 1 month ago

Absolutely ditch the liquid cooler and 6600k and get an i7 6700 seeing as it would cost as much and be a stronger cpu

AsianPartPicker 1 point 1 month ago

What would be better? i7-6700k + Brand GeForce GTX 1070? Or i5-6600k + Brand GeForce GTX 1080?

Brutfan 1 point 8 days ago

A 6700k and a 1070 would be much better, if your preference is in creating content or working on heavy cpu based projects in applications such as photoshop. However, if your preference is gaming then it is better to get an i5 and a 1080. P.S. In my opinion a 1070 is sufficient for gaming and performs very well in 2k (60 fps and above) in all games I have thrown at it; so a 1080 would not be a good choice for a lite or a beginner gamer.

Bruce0206 1 point 1 month ago

Nice build but why is there a small compatibility issue?

Jkll606 1 point 1 month ago

This looks pretty nice, i'd prefer this over the build I created, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/87s4Yr

DIVIZIM 1 point 1 month ago

Wait can this motherboard actually do sli? On the msi webpage-overview only says that it supports crossfire.

526christian 1 point 1 month ago

No. In the specs it says for PCI-e x16 it can only do x16 and x16, x4. You'd need at least x8, x8 for SLI, so it's already incompatible with SLI.

DIVIZIM 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks in the build description it says that the mother board can do sli

ughusername 1 point 1 month ago

Is 550W enough if you want to oc the cpu to 4.4ghz? Only asking because I want to oc my 6600k someday.

526christian 1 point 1 month ago

You could run an overclocked 6700K with dual 1080s on a good 550W PSU and still have some headroom. It'll do fine.

vinimaciel01 1 point 1 month ago

One probably dumb question. None of the builds that i'm seeing have a component that receive/connect with the wifi. In the old days, i think, but not shure, there was one. Today, the motherboard do that job?

526christian 1 point 1 month ago

Most motherboards today still don't come with wireless adapters built in/installed. Lots of people in the PC building community just use ethernet, something most if not all motherboards allow you to do.

vinimaciel01 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks. Probably i will use too. But... there is a chance that in the future i will Have to place the PC in the other side of the house (not long distance though). So i'm basically covering ground here.

I'm not finding much information about wireless adapters. I connect it direct in the motherboard?

(sorry..bad english...I'm from Brazil o/)

526christian 1 point 1 month ago

I'm not finding much information about wireless adapters. I connect it direct in the motherboard?

PCI-e (x1) and PCI ones you do.

EmeraldCrafts 1 point 1 month ago

Better than my computer lol

robsausa 1 point 1 month ago

Hi sorry for the stupid question, I'm new here and want to build this with my son for Christmas. The motherboard is out of stock everywhere, can someone recommend a comparable/compatible one ? TIA

MikeGMac 1 point 1 month ago

So can this build handle all AAA reasonably well?

NovemberJoy 1 point 1 month ago

I went through this build, and...well, half of the RAM was defective. Was I just unlucky?

SpazSpy 1 point 1 month ago

So, according to the website, this is $1999 AUD. When I build it via Mwave, it costs a little over $2300. ($2353 to be exact) I think it's because the motherboard has no price... xD

thehighroad 1 point 1 month ago

If i'm not going to overclock, then will i need to change the PSU?

526christian 1 point 1 month ago

No.

prasannaj 1 point 28 days ago

In what way will this help on this build. Could I not just have the Toshiba P300 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive as my storage? Intel 600p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive And lets say I am running on a 1000 dollar budget I decided to change the graphic card to MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING X Video Card. But is there anything else I can take out to meet my budget limits ,which also won't hurt my gaming performance by too much?

Gd10541123 1 point 28 days ago

I don't think that power supply is going to hold up...

megalkh 1 point 27 days ago

Newbie here. I've ordered all the parts to complete this build, However the motherboard appears to be in great demand and is out of stock on most if not all the sites you have listed. Was hoping to build this pc this week, can you suggest alternative mother boards that will work with the parts in this build that will give the same or better performance? I have a feeling that you build videos are popular and lead to shortages of parts

YogiToxin 1 point 23 days ago

This build looks great, and I'm considering this for my first ever PC build. I have a few questions though before I dive in:

  1. You mention Overwatch in the build notes, and this is by far my favorite game. I'm hoping to run Overwatch on a 27" monitor at 1440p resolution. I know nothing about overclocking but am willing to learn if needed. Will my performance expectations require overclocking with this build? Approximately what fps should I expect with or without overclocking?
  2. Is this build my best option for Overwatch, or would other options serve me better? I don't want to waste money, but am willing to spend a bit more for noticeably better performance.

Thank you for your assistance. Love the video too btw!

BlockIIR 1 point 6 days ago

This build will play overwatch out of the box at 1440p around 90 frames at epic settings. If you are willing to overclock your CPU and GPU(4.6 GHz for the CPU and around 2050-2100 MHz for the GPU are perfectly reasonable) then you will see a noticeable performance increase and hit 100+ frames, with smoother performance. First you need to check your monitor's refresh rate. If it is 60 Hz, then your display is stuck at displaying up to 60 frames per second, no matter how fast the GPU is rendering actual frames, so all the extra performance is lost. If that is the case, then drop the GTX 1080, and get the GTX 1070 instead, as it will suit a 60 Hz 1440p display much better, and save you quite some money. If your panel has 144 Hz refresh rate, then i would suggest to tone some settings down, until the system performance reaches 144 frames per second, so that you have a more fluid experience. More frames in e-sports titles such as Overwatch are always more valuable than say, the visual difference between epic settings and ultra, which is negligible IMO. Good luck with the build, hope i wasn't too late, as it's been almost 3 weeks.

nader_n 1 point 22 days ago

can you make another build with 2 gtx 1080s ?

fearneley 1 point 22 days ago

Thinking of building my first pc for gaming and editing :) Would love some feedback on what you guys think and if all these parts are viable. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nCPXM8

fearneley 1 point 22 days ago

Thinking of building my first pc for gaming and editing :) Would love some feedback on what you guys think and if all these parts are viable. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nCPXM8

fearneley 1 point 22 days ago

Budget is 1300

1-Z 1 point 17 days ago

If you are Video Editing then I would recommend taking the i7-6700K.

Vollmer 1 point 21 days ago

Thanks very much for the build. I purchased two of the entire build. The video build used a different power source than I purchased (a super nova vs seasonic). I'm kinda stuck now as I don't know the power cables and how they connect. Any help here? A newbie source for connecting a power source? Any comments welcome.

PlasmusAng 1 point 20 days ago

Can someone give tips and improvements on my $2000 budget PC https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PlasmusAng/saved/3BjPxr

Orion555 1 point 20 days ago

Nice Build - some squirrelly comments but that's OK

Someone asked if you can substitute a motherboard due to availability. Yes. ASRock Z170 Pro4 LGA1151 ATX 4 64GB (3) $99.99

ThoughtA - Good price on your build ($1500) and great parts list. Congrats :)
Nice fast build ++++

KarmAngel 1 point 20 days ago

This is a masterpiece ^_^ Great Work! 1 point for you.

Man, i must get my build done quick to share to this amazing community :)

anoldladyz 1 point 19 days ago

In my opinion, spend the extra money on the i7.

the.moog 1 point 18 days ago

ThoughtA, I just ordered that m.2 drive and am about to return it because reviews crap all over it being poorly architected, unreliable, and as a result, performance is sporadic. Have you been running this build for some time? How do you feel the m.2 PCI-E drive performs in your experience?

DGAF_AK87 1 point 17 days ago

Money was spent in wrong place, could've gotten a cheaper MB and got an I7 with the ending total about the same

1-Z 1 point 16 days ago

How much FPS can you get in these games at 1920X1080 at High Settings if you replace the i5-6600K with a i7-6700K and a MSI GTX 1070: 1. GTA V 2. Crysis 3 3. Metro Last Light 4. Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor 5. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 6. Battlefield 4 7. Rise of the Tomb Raider

Rockeythepcgamer 1 point 15 days ago

Will this pc good with gaming and editing videos/photos btw this will be my first pc with a buget of 1500

iTzIvax 1 point 15 days ago

Can I ask a question? If I didn't buy the PC I built, I have to post it in guides instead of Completed Builds?

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 15 days ago

If it's a PC you've built, you have photos of it, and you aren't making a post that the owner would rather make, you can make the Completed Build post yourself.

In the future, if you have a question for staff, it's best to send a contact request.

Dairon 1 point 10 days ago

I would preferably go with higher end CPU over GPU.

Zangoo 1 point 10 days ago

I am considering making this build, but I have a question. Since the GPU isnt connected directly to the mobo, it needs a riser cable. The video or build doesnt mention anything about this, except one is used. Many people seem to have a problem with the riser cables causing poor performance, stuttering, artifacts etc. What riser was used in this build?

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 9 days ago

The GPU actually can still be installed in the conventional way. The riser method is optional. That being said, this is the riser cable we used.

GoTeamRed 1 point 9 days ago

I honestly would change the AIO Liquid Cooler to something else, as I do not like the Red too much, I would much rather do a Blue themed build, but that is just personal preference, it looks good.

jormu 1 point 8 days ago

I'm building this setup with a local vendor who will assemble the pieces for me. However some parts are not available here. I picked the Ballistix 16 GB DDR4-2400 but the website tells me that the RAM has a higher speed than the processor and in order to have usage of the speed I need to change it in the BIOS along with voltage, but I certainly don't want to do something wrong here. Also I changed the power supply to a Sharkoon WPM600 but I don't think that would be worse, right?

RebceeC 1 point 8 days ago

The build is £1300, but the CPU is on the minimum requirements for Battlefield 1... That can't be right?

utterstutter 1 point 8 days ago

I very much like your build/idea so much i i incorporated some part to my future build from your build. Due to being power hungry with my future build i was gonna load it with a i7 core but i was was wrong i didnt need the i7 to get power (cue tim the toolman grunt)..! i was wondering if i can "dumb" down my choice of 1080 to the 1060 , and i liked the red and black theme but saw your choice for the cooler in white and switched to it for some reason in my mind the red white and the led blue fans appeal to me. but the real reason for me making any attempt at a comment is when i was on the tube checking out builds i kept hearing about the m.2 drives and i was like cool because before that i was dead set on having a asus motherboard, then msi caught was my eye and then rok now im back to msi due to popularity and the m.2 configure but my build says a incompatibilty issue the motherboard m.2 slot shares bandwithdth sata 6.0 ports When the m.2 slot is populated, two sata 6gbs ports are disable. i dont understand i picked the 3tb tosiba as your did cause thats where im gonna store games and music but i changed the m.2 to 256 gbs for my os. thanks and thank you for helping me grow a better build.

d0m 1 point 7 days ago

can I change GPU to NVIDIA GTX 1070?

Ryanboss52 1 point 6 days ago

One more suggestion, you shouldn't go with them I've had a reallly bad experience with them, I had 2 gtx 970's from them and they died within a year, and they weren't even overclocked. Other than that this is a solid build.

theflamer 1 point 6 days ago

Will the Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme Edition fit instead of the base AMP edition?

jaynj 3 Builds 1 point 6 days ago

I wish I could have found a 1080 for that price when I was building my main rig. This build is closely spec to mine except i have a 1070 (open box discount)

Wurmfist 1 point 6 days ago

Is there a reason why they don't ever include the price of an OS in these builds? You might as well add another 100 dollars for windows 10. You might find it cheaper, but you're not going to build this type of system and load linux on it. Who would do that?

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 5 days ago

Some people actually do just that. Additionally, many people have access to discounted or free operating systems through their university program.

We don't want to assume what everyone's operating system situation is, and the scope of these guides are contained to just the box.

loliwut 1 point 3 days ago

I feel it necessary to point out that for $70 more you can eek out something that would completely dust this build. Even keeps the black/red theme! admittedly not as much room for expansion, but 8GB of RAM? for an enthusiast build? The GPU has as much RAM as the rest of the machine, which is just silly. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/loliwut/saved/rmKcf7

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 3 days ago

The build has 16GB of RAM.

loliwut 1 point 3 days ago

My mistake, I misread.

Lavacoal123 1 point 2 days ago

This, is my to-be gaming build, and costs much less than this. Upon finding this build, I realized you have just about the same specs as the one here, but for a price tag $250 heavier.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WvPpVY

Edit: Well, my gpu is different, but go team red! The benchmarks on these gpus (minus bottlenecks) are very similar...

Zeonn 1 point 2 days ago

This should be updated as the new kaby lake processors are out and the 7600k can easily run at 5 ghz stable without running the temps too high.

jedidiesel 1 point 2 days ago

I've nearly completed this build, the last step is installing the GPU, but I can't bring myself to order the riser. The reviews that the riser has received are consistently terrible. In the comments section, there were a couple other people who were also concerned about using this apparently subpar product. Any chance you can provide some alternative product options ThoughtA? If not, I'll just go with with the traditional installation. Excellent build/guide, mate!

itSp4x 1 Build 1 point 18 hours ago

**It's not an enthusiast build unless you go with an I7 and the x99 chipset with at least 32GB of RAM!!!! And what is this puny graphic card? Where's the titan x pascal?

All jokes aside, pretty cool build! Good choice of part and I like the black and red theme. +1 for a well written build!

Frifster 1 point 58 minutes ago

I want to try this build out as a first time builder, but the MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC ATX is sold out; anyone know of any boards that would fit into this build guide?

Orrubieso 0 points 1 month ago

I recommend not to get this ssd, instead get a SAMSUNG 850 EVO or the SAMSUNG 950 PRO (The 950 is pricey). Look at user benchmarks for stats, it is cheaper and better in every way possible.

rvladz 0 points 1 month ago

a $87 USD CPU , It's way better to buy the i7 6700 ...

barishsarac 0 points 1 month ago

I would not go with Hitachi. WD for sure!

martin8aw 0 points 1 month ago

This would be a great budget build if it used a less expensive GPU. I know plenty of decent GPUs that perform well for a budget build that are not $500-$600, like the GPU you have chosen. A good choice would be the Sapphire Raedon R9 Fury Nitro, which is only around $350, and is still a very good GPU, capable of running Battlefield 4 at max settings at an average of 35 FPS. Otherwise, it's a great budget build

joeyyellow2005 1 point 1 month ago

erm, I don't think budget is the best word for that.

martin8aw 1 point 1 month ago

Budget for a gaming PC. Budget gaming PCs can be anywhere from $800 to about $1300

tiny_voices 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

This completely depends on your definition of the word budget. There isn't some set range agreed upon by the gaming PC gods or any **** like that.

joeyyellow2005 1 point 1 month ago

yeah... not on my budget

barishsarac 0 points 1 month ago
dragon-hypernova 1 point 1 month ago

is CPU compatible?

barishsarac 1 point 1 month ago

Yes. Both Skylake LGA1151

dragon-hypernova 1 point 1 month ago

thx

1Star 1 point 1 month ago

That cpu is not cheaper, and for gaming the i7 won't outperform enough to make it worth the money.

barishsarac 0 points 1 month ago

i5-6600K shows about $228, i7-6700K is $280 as of now for me to get. It might be at the time I wrote there was a deal on i7 or i5 showed more expensive but price difference $52.

First of all, definitely worth it toget i7 over i5 anyday, just because i7 is best in its line i3,i5,i7.

Secondly, why don't you get both and give it a benchmark especially after OC i7, then we can see which one gets how many frames.

Lastly, if you argued it won't make a difference to be seen by eye, well then I'd tell you that along with OC, you have a possibilty to use same CPU over a longer period of time.

Xorex64 2 points 25 days ago

I7 is going overboard, especially when you have a GTX 1080 as a GPU, i really don't think anyone would notice enough of a difference to justify spending more money on it.

Normally i would say to never get the 6700K unless you have a situation where it really is necessary. You were right at the time, but normally is the 6700K is at stupid prices.

well then I'd tell you that along with OC, you have a possibilty to use same CPU over a longer period of time.

That argument has nothing to do with seeing frames. Also, if anything, OCs lower the lifespans of CPUs

barishsarac -1 points 23 days ago

Did I anywhere claim someone will notice difference frame-rate difference "right now"?

It's difficult to argue with people that are not paying attention to what other has to say.

Read all my messages and then write your comments, do everyone a favor.

Here they are in summary: 1) i7-4790K is faster than i5-4690K. 2) Personally, I rather have i7 over i5 anyday for many reasons. 3) Although frame-rate difference may not be possible to see with the games build in today's technology, difference in speed between these two CPUs may play a major role in the upcoming games since new games end up requiring more and more power from the computer.

Lastly, I am not talking about OCing CPU right now, as you said there is no need. 2 years, 3 years MAX maybe 4 years from now, when games require much more speed, by then I might OC to catch up with latest games.

So by paying another 50$, I would save my self from spending 700-800$ on building computer 2-3 years from now. This is the mentality I had when I started building computers 10 years back, it is the mentality of my corporation today.

This will be my last message in this argument as it's frustrating to argue with people whom avoid to read to desperately attempt to prove their points.

1Star 1 point 1 month ago

Its just going overboard, I won't debate that some people might use the i7 power, but that is overkill in my opinion. Also, you want to check other sites like micro center, I got my i-5 6600k for 180$ and i got an extra 40$ off for bundling it with a motherboard.

barishsarac 0 points 1 month ago

You do get about 40$ off with cpu bundle no matter i5 or i7 at microcenter.

Based on PC-SPECS i5-6600K is 25% over recommended CPU speed, i7-6700K is 38% over recommended CPU speed to play Watch Dogs 2.

This is a game that came out just around this time and you are only 25% over the recommended speed.

How long do you think i5 will be above or at least equal to recommended speed? and How long i7 will be? Last question, How long can i7 with OC play latest games?

When you build computer, you investing money. That is your investment. Spend 40-50$ more and make a long lasting investment. Today what you consider overkill, tomorrow will be obsolete. It always has been, always will be.

Link:http://www.pc-specs.com/pc-custom-builder/cpu?&search=6600k&compatFilter=true&perPage=25&minPrice=0&maxPrice=none&showAll=true&minRating=&popular=&makes%5B%5D=all&minCores=&maxTDP=&socket=&unlockedMultiplier=

1Star 1 point 1 month ago

Yes, I understand what you are saying, but i got my i5 6600k for 180, plus the 40 off with a motherboard. That is mush more than 40 to 50 dollar diffence, also if you overclock your i5 6600k by the time that it won't run games at max settings, you will have probably either decided do do other things with your life, or decide to go hardcore into the pc gaming world to just upgrade anyways. To be honest, the gap between the two is not really that important unless you make your living gaming.

Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

This is a game that came out just around this time and you are only 25% over the recommended speed.

I would advise against using that site, pc specs. They cite no sources as far as i can find.

ThinkWithPortals 2 Builds -1 points 1 month ago

The fact that this is a black and red themed build and yet has a blue and silver GPU annoys me so much :D

Rainbow6Sheep 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

It's a parametric filter

ThinkWithPortals 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

I know that.

Rainbow6Sheep 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

... then what's the problem?

ThinkWithPortals 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

There isn't one?

crashitgood 1 point 1 month ago

i think that smiley indicates sarcasm

iam3spooky3you -1 points 1 month ago

the i5 with the 1080 will have a bottle necking problem wont it?

Scatted 4 points 1 month ago

Why would an i5 ever bottleneck anything? (can't speak for the future)

ntitco1 0 points 1 month ago

There's a reason for i7's existence man. But yeah, for gaming only you can hardly bottleneck a 6600K.

redstonelink 4 points 1 month ago

The reason for i7's existence is basically just content creation

526christian 2 points 1 month ago

Yes and no. It depends on the game, the graphics settings, the resolution, and from moment to moment. The bottleneck can switch between the 1080 and the 6600K depending on those factors. And when/if the 6600K is ever a bottleneck, you can alleviate it by overclocking the 6600K (most get to 4.5GHz fine) and/or by getting faster RAM (DDR4-3000 doesn't cost a lot more and can help framerates by up to 17% when CPU bound over 2133, although not every game benefits that much).

CheezyDoughnut 1 point 1 month ago

Is there a different CPU you would recommend to prevent bottleneck? I am not too savvy with this stuff and just want to make sure I am getting the best bang for my buck.

MoistGoat 1 Build 3 points 1 month ago

I'm using the same CPU with a GTX 1080 FTW and haven't run into any issues with any type of bottleneck. Also, the CPU is able to OC a little bit without upping the voltage (I'm still running mine stock) so there is a little extra performance you can get with minimal tweaking. Though, like i said, I haven't had any bottleneck issues yet.

CheezyDoughnut 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks for the help!

sterfri99 1 point 1 month ago

You MIGHT bottleneck the i5 if you're running SLI'd TITAN XP's and playing a game at 4k max settings. Otherwise, it will be fine for any game you can throw at it at any settings.

dashrsp -2 points 1 month ago

Seagate drives have a very high failure rate. Generally, one can find a HGST drive for a similar price.

SuperGojira2001 3 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Any HDD from any company can fail at any time, even WD and Seagate HDD’s.

dashrsp 1 point 1 month ago

Obviously. It's a factor of probability.

Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

The differences between brands on The probablity of failure within a given time is very small.

dashrsp 0 points 25 days ago

Hmm. I've seen a few tests that show differences of 20%.

Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

From what source? What method did they use? Note that failure rates are not static, like "this will fail and this will not". They need to be within a tiven time like "this has a n% chance of failing within 7 month and that has a g% chance of failing within 7 months" because all drives fail. Its a matter of when.

You should back up your drives anyways.

Awesomlego -3 points 1 month ago

Decent build. but a $100 mobo, off-brand AIO, and $70 case, definitely not worthy to call enthusiast

ThoughtA staff submitter 5 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't judge a motherboard by price alone. That's not going to tell you a lot. The same goes for cases.

Also, I wouldn't judge the cooler on brand alone, as the cooler actually goes toe to toe with other high end AIOs.

Awesomlego 1 point 1 month ago

Yes, but in a build with a 1080, you would probably go with something like an Asus Maximus VIII Hero or MSI Gaming M7, so you can get the features that would entail with that price point.

I didn't mean it like that. I know there are amazing $70 cases, like the Phanteks P400, but this seems like a weird case for such a build. There are just better options for the same price.

I know that is is a decent cooler, but for $5-$10 more, you could get an H100i V2, which would match more systems color schemes, more reliable, and from a better known brand.

No offense to you in any of these comments, as I respect your opinion as a member of the staff and PC enthusiast.

ThoughtA staff submitter 4 points 1 month ago

I will never take offense at constructive criticism of a build guide. You're not doing anything wrong by disagreeing. In fact, thank you for it.

Which features in those more expensive motherboards do you think make them worth purchasing in a higher end build?

Awesomlego 5 points 1 month ago

I personally think that they have better aesthetics, especially the Hero with its RGB lighting which would complement the Zotac 1080's lighting. Also, again, mainly with the Hero, you get better audio quality with Asus's praised Supreme FX, but also with the ALC1150. You get a better set of I/O ports with a higher end motherboard, which could be helpful if you have a large gaming/editing setup and lots of peripherals connected. Again, with the Hero, you get a dedicated pump header which is a nice feature to have. You also get Asus's 5-Way optimization for overclocking. If you decided to get an RGB strip form CableMod, you can connect it to the Asus RGB header, which is just a nice addition.

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 1 month ago

I like it!

barishsarac 0 points 1 month ago

Agree with Awesomlego.

I do think we need to find ways to cut spending especially parts of high quality and especially brand ones are super expensive but those last longer and perform better for longer period of time based on my 8 year computer repair experience.

Awakening -6 points 1 month ago

Backplate of the GPU is yellow. Bad choice.

ThoughtA staff submitter 5 points 1 month ago

This is a parametric filter for the best-priced GTX 1080. There's a pretty decent amount to be said for narrowing down the video card based on color, but considering that Guides cast a very wide net in terms of budget, location, and preferences, doing so would unacceptably restrict selection in terms of pricing and availability.

You're more than welcome to disagree, but as it stands, we feel that when it comes to the video card in the guides, we'd rather keep it open.

Awakening -3 points 1 month ago

It's just that this build is obviously going for a color scheme and the GPU completely breaks it. What's $25 at this budget?

Awakening -3 points 1 month ago

I see you changed it, but a blower style cooler is far from "enthusiast," LOL. Those coolers only belong in tiny cases or cases with little airflow.

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 1 month ago

I didn't change anything. It's a parametric filter. It dynamically selects the best-priced component that still fits the selected parameters.

It's just that this build is obviously going for a color scheme and the GPU completely breaks it. What's $25 at this budget?

I acknowledged your argument, said it's a valid point, and gave our reasoning for taking a different path. It seems you completely ignored the comment saying that, so you may wish to read it again.

As for the blower, it may be a good idea for us to filter out blower-style cards for builds where it's appropriate (not as budget-constrained and with a high airflow case), like this one.

Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

Would it make any differece? isnt the backplate covered up or out of view most of the time?

Awakening 1 point 25 days ago

No, the back and side of the GPU is what you see when it's installed in a tower case. IMO a good backplate is more important for aesthetics than a frontal shroud's design and color.

Xorex64 1 point 25 days ago

Sorry, i thought you meant the part that faces the back of the case.

OMNI-X -7 points 1 month ago

it's no Enthusiast at all.....

Rainbow6Sheep 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

A 6600k and a 1080 isn't enthusiast?

Xorex64 2 points 25 days ago

Enthusiast is subjective

montiago -3 points 1 month ago

Enthusiast would have at least an X99 mobo with a 2011-E chipset and a Titan or 2. And it would be watercooled

ThoughtA staff submitter 4 points 1 month ago

It's a pretty subjective and arbitrary term, to be honest. Your opinion is no less valid than anyone else's regarding that, but it's not any more "correct" either.

OMNI-X -5 points 1 month ago

your psu is gold certified and it's about 90% efficiency, it's better to have a larger wattage psu. otherwise it's gonna be loud and annoying when playing games. also, when you have a 1080 in the build, you should choose a tier 1 psu to make sure it will not run on problems :)

ThoughtA staff submitter 4 points 1 month ago

All of the PSUs are very highly reviewed. 80+ efficiency certification is not much of a metric to use for quality. I guarantee the video card will be exceptionally louder than the PSU when you're playing games.

Awakening -1 points 1 month ago

The NEX and CSX/S/M series are highly rated, but low quality. High ratings ≠ quality. The parametric filter doesn't always pick the right components and a person's judgment is usually always best.

I kind of agree though that 550W is probably going to be loud with those components. You're spending $1400 so why get a cheap PSU? The EVGA 650G2 is a better option for a high-end build like this.

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 1 month ago

I'm not talking about efficiency ratings. I'm talking about review ratings for quality from professional reviewers with the expertise and equipment to test PSUs. That's why I made sure to say "reviewed," rather than "rated."

I'm not sure what you are agreeing with regarding noise, since I said the opposite (for convenience, quoted below):

I guarantee the video card will be exceptionally louder than the PSU when you're playing games.

Anyway, "that 550W" is actually very highly rated.

Review 1
Review 2 (revision)
Review 3
Review 4
Review 5
Review 6

That's just the first PSU. Every PSU in the list is high quality and well-reviewed.

The 650W G2 is in the parametric selection. Every PSU in that selection is of a high enough quality that saving some money and adding coverage for availability across multiple regions is more worthwhile.

80-wattHamster 2 points 1 month ago

Every PSU on the parametric list is a quality unit, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. 550W is 550W, whether it's Gold, Bronze, White, Platinum or Titanium. The 100W of headroom on this build is plenty. My machine doesn't pull much less than 450W on its 550W supply, and you hear the GPU long before the PSU.

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

The tier list is a huge joke....

Skolei-Meister 0 points 1 month ago

Well if the gpu and cpu can be overclocked i would say that it is on an enthusiast level... THis build can run games at 4k resolution so if you don't think this is enthusiast then what is? quad-sli titan x? Come one we're not all millionares here

Sid10 -8 points 1 month ago

It's a great build, but it's not 100% Enthusiast.

ThoughtA staff submitter 6 points 1 month ago

It's a pretty subjective and arbitrary term, to be honest. Your opinion is no less valid than anyone else's regarding that, but it's not any more "correct" either.

Sid10 -6 points 1 month ago

In the PC building community, an Enthusiast build is a build that does not take budget into account. An Enthusiast build shoots for the best hardware possible, even if it's extremely overkill. Your build is great, and it is enthusiast, but there are much better hardware combinations, for a true enthusiast build.

Calerid -10 points 1 month ago

Sorry but the second I see Seagate and Zotac I cannot call this enthusiast. This is more of a high tier budget oriented build.

I don't mean to degrade the PC build but these parts are not really enthusiast.

Angry_Plzen 3 points 1 month ago

so the company that makes some of the largest coolers on the market, one of the few companies that sells a gpu with a waterblock preapplied is not enthusiast? then what is? if the zotac 1080 amp! isn't enthusiast then honestly, what constitutes the threshold?

SuperGojira2001 3 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

Seagate and Zotac products are fine.

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manirelli staff 7 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Keep it polite or don't comment on this site.

will_rippey 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Seagate and Zotac are fine

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will_rippey 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Can you please explain to me what you mean by bottleneck? Sorry I'm a new builder

WirelessCables 1 point 8 days ago

the 1080 is bottle necked by anything under a 6700k.

There's no bottleneck there. For gaming, an i5 will do well with a 1080, and a 1070. Source?

Monitor 1 Build 1 point 7 days ago

You. Have no idea what bottlenecking really is... Please research before you say stuff like that.

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ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 26 days ago

Stop spamming.

ahmoody313 1 point 26 days ago

i didnt spam...

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 26 days ago

A massive ASCII post is definitely spam. Whatever you choose to call it, don't do it again.

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ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 29 days ago

Please keep feedback polite and constructive.

i213 1 point 12 days ago

Can I repurpose my Seagate 1Tb passport for this build instead of buying something new?

Vollmer 0 points 20 days ago

Very happy to have bought the build. Components changed and I have components not on the video. Also the connection of the hard drive is not on the video. Manufacturer documentation is pretty sketchy and MSI has taken down their installation videos.

Any suggestions here? This is my fourth question to the forum. None acknowledged.

Reason:
Note: Wattages are estimates only. Actual power draw may differ from listed values.
Component Estimated Wattage
Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor 11W - 91W
Deepcool CAPTAIN 240 EX 153.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler 10W - 15W
MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC ATX LGA1151 Motherboard 17W - 70W
Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory 11W - 11W
Intel 600p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive 2W - 10W
Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Edition Video Card 57W - 230W
Total: 112W - 447W