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Great Gaming Build

by ThoughtA

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237 Comments
NOTE: A more recent version of this guide is available here.

Description

At this budget, we're running an i5-6500. Any modern i5 will perform admirably for nearly all gaming needs. Since we aren't overclocking our CPU, the stock cooler will be sufficient in keeping temperatures acceptable.

Our motherboard is a parametric selection from a sparse set of options. All five of the potential motherboards share similar features and will work perfectly for the build. Since memory continues to come down in cost, we can comfortably fit 16GB of DDR4 RAM, which should provide some nice memory headroom. We're using a parametric filter to choose a 16GB kit of memory within Intel's recommended specifications at the best price, while also filtering for a kit that fits our theme of black and white. Additionally, we're use parametric filters to incorporate an SSD with at least 480GB of space and a minimum of 2TB 7200RPM mechanical storage. Everyone's storage needs differs, so feel free to change those capacities to your heart's desire.

For our GPU, the newly released Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 is one of the best price for performance cards on the market and an absolute powerhouse. The GTX 1070 will provide a consistent 60fps on many demanding games like Battlefield 4 (and hopefully the upcoming Battlefield 1) at Ultra at 1080p, and even 1440p for some games like Shadow of Mordor. For those interested in VR, the GTX 1070 will have no problem playing any and and all applications currently on the market.

We're rounding out our black and white build with a white NZXT S340. The mid tower S340 features a nice PSU shroud to keep the build looking clean. Outside the PSU shroud, we also have plenty of cable managing holes and a bar to run cables without taking up as much space behind the motherboartd backplate. We also have 2 USB 3.0 ports on the front panel. If you'd like to keep with the theme but don't like the white, there's a black version as well. Cases tend to be highly personal choices, so make sure you browse our listed cases to see what suits you.

For our power supply, we're using a parametric selection of a five well-reviewed semi or fully modular units, all of which are 80+ Bronze certified or above and can provide plenty of power for this build.

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Compatibility Check: No issues/incompatibilities found.

Estimated Wattage: 316W
Component Selection Base Promo Shipping Tax Price Where
CPU $188.99 $188.99 SuperBiiz Buy
Motherboard $59.99 $1.99 $61.98 Newegg Buy
Memory
From parametric filter
  • Type: 288-pin DIMM
  • Size: 16GB (2x8GB)
  • Heat Spreader: Yes
  • Color: Black, Black/White, White
$88.89 $88.89 OutletPC Buy
Storage
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 480GB - 10TB
  • Type: SSD
  • Interface: SATA 6 Gb/s
  • Form Factor: 2.5"
$119.75 $119.75 Amazon Buy
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 2TB - 10TB
  • Type: 7200RPM
  • Interface: SATA 6 Gb/s
  • Form Factor: 3.5"
$67.88 $67.88 OutletPC Buy
Video Card
From parametric filter
  • Chipset: GeForce GTX 1070
$379.00 $379.00 Jet Buy
Case $64.99 $64.99 NCIX US Buy
Power Supply $64.99 FREE $64.99 SuperBiiz Buy
Base Total: $1034.48
Shipping: $1.99
Total: $1036.47
* Using your selected merchants and only including nearby in-store pickup prices)
* Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders.

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sn0rkz 2 points 4 months ago

Fairly new to the computer building scene, but I'm seriously considering this build. However wouldn't I need fans and coolers for the CPU/GPU?

Raggyshaggy 4 points 4 months ago

The CPU uses the stock cooler from intel, which of course isnt perfect but suitable for a non overclockable processor. The Case comes with preinstalled fans, which cools both the CPU and the GPU. The GPU also has its own fan.

AntiEmerald 1 point 3 months ago

its the founders edition

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Founder's Edition is related to NVIDIA GPUs, not CPUs.

AntiEmerald 1 point 3 months ago

Well duh, but I'm talking about the GPU. I'm implying that the founder's edition cards don't exactly have the greatest cooling solutions.

LemonComputers 7 points 3 months ago

OK. I know what you mean. You can state your point without telling someone else "duh" though, which is rude.

whartwell 1 point 3 months ago

Nah, m8 the case comes with fans at least for the gpu, but for the cpu you would need an extra fan.

mzn528 2 points 4 months ago

Just finished putting everything together, it was fun.

One thing for other complete newbies like me, the case has two built in fans, the motherboard listed above only has one sys fan connector.

Thanks!

Curve02 1 point 4 months ago

Hey mzn, did you change anything in the build or use every piece that was recommended ? I'm on the verge of buying everything but was worried about getting the mini gpu .

mzn528 2 points 4 months ago

Hello Curve02, I didn't change anything in the list. Everything on the list is pretty legit.

The only con I could think of is the sys fan thing I mentioned. The GPU works pretty well as far as I can tell (only started using it couple days ago), the only differences between regular 1070 and mini 1070 are the size and price.

However, if I could do it again I would probably go for a regular size motherboard just because in that case I can use both fans on the case. It is completely up to you.

Alkor89 2 points 4 months ago
mzn528 1 point 4 months ago

Oh lol thanks! This is helpful!

Curve02 1 point 4 months ago

Gotcha thanks for the reply! I understand you're fairly new to this scene too but was wondering if there was a particular motherboard you would recommend in opposition to getting the micro atx.

mzn528 1 point 4 months ago

I am not really sure... but I am sure you can use the one in the previous version of this build?

cdrcmtlg 1 point 4 months ago

I think the case fans should be connected to the psu not on the motherboard.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Why?

cdrcmtlg 1 point 4 months ago

isn't it the fan slot in the motherboard is for the cpu fan? sorry newbie here

cause he said. "One thing for other complete newbies like me, the case has two built in fans, the motherboard listed above only has one sys fan connector."

GobblesZtZ 1 point 4 months ago

Any specific reason for the micro-ATX motherboard and mini GPU in an ATX case?

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

To me it looks like the main reason is because they're less expensive, but there's nothing wrong with small form factors.

Curve02 1 point 4 months ago

Is there any noticeable power difference between the mini gpu and normal 1070? It worries me that I can't really find any reviews on the mini itx gpu. I'm steps away from purchasing this build, but just want to do so with confidence. Thanks!

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

If there is a performance difference, it should be rather small.

dan523 1 point 4 months ago

Can a cheap motherboard like the one in this build handle overclocking from the gpu, without the motherboard breaking/ burning out?

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 4 months ago

Yes, that's not going to be an issue at all.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Yes, you should be fine.

SeeDanRun 1 point 4 months ago

I tried to add an Optical Drive. If I check "filter for compatibility" it eliminates all the Optical drives. Isn't the Optical drive needed to install my Win 10 DVD? And watch movies?

I have used a laptop for the last decade, am I missing something obvious that changed about PCs?

LemonComputers 2 points 4 months ago

I tried to add an Optical Drive. If I check "filter for compatibility" it eliminates all the Optical drives. Isn't the Optical drive needed to install my Win 10 DVD? And watch movies?

The NZXT S340 case used in this build guide has no external 5.25" drive bays and therefore has no ODD support. You can purchase a full retail version of Windows which I believe comes in USB form.

I have used a laptop for the last decade, am I missing something obvious that changed about PCs?

Optical drives, i.e. CDs and DVDs, are used much, much less these days than they were in the past.

Multivitaminico -7 points 4 months ago

LOL no, optical drives are still needed and there is no point in buying this case if it doesn't even have the option to add one. What about music CDs? DVDs? what if I want to burn stuff or family movies in DVDs? DVDs are cheap as hell, why would I go the usb route for all media? Also, most software always comes in a DVD and that's a fact. Stop trying to rationalize that dvds are being used less and less. This is a good build for the money but the case ruins it. Ironically, their budget cheap build, does have a optical drive lmao

LemonComputers 4 points 4 months ago

LOL no, optical drives are still need and there is no point in buying this case if it doesn't even have the option to add one. What about music CDs? DVDs? what if I want to burn stuff or family movies in DVDs? Also, most software always comes in a DVD and that's a fact. Stop trying to rationalize that dvd are being used less and less

The optical drives are being used less these days, still used some, but less. It's up to the case manufacturer to decide if they want to continue supporting optical drives. In this case, the NZXT S340 case used in this build guide doesn't support optical drives. IMO the ODD free design does not outweigh the benefits (and may even be seen as a benefit to some minimalist users) and does not warrant the use of a different case. Cases with no ODD support are good for minimalist users as they are simpler. If you want a build with an ODD, you can always use a different case that has ODD support.

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B_ST 4 points 4 months ago

No point in arguing with you. You're clearly dead set on your abrasive, questionable opinion.

Multivitaminico -1 points 4 months ago

for $1000 of my hard earned money. I expect an optical drive. Also, this build is not ideal, because they spent all the money on the video card and processor, but chose some cheap *** ssd, power supply, and ram just to make it right at 1k . With a quality ssd, ram, and especially power supply, which is one of the most, if not the most important component of the build, it would go up to $1400-1500

LemonComputers 2 points 4 months ago

for $1000 of my hard earned money. I expect an optical drive.

The NZXT S340 is a higher end case, and it happens to have no optical drive because...they're used less these days. The entry level gaming build has an optical drive because it has the Fractal Design Core 1000 case which has ODD support. That's not under the control of the build guide; it's the case. The lack of ODD support is not enough to warrant using a different case since the S340 is a good case that is liked by many, and some minimalist users, including myself, even complement it of having no ODD. (Personal preferences vary.) If you are different from most people, can't use USB/flash, and really want an optical drive, you can always change the case to have ODD support. The build guides are not meant for absolutely everyone as preferences always vary among the population.

Also, this build is not ideal, because they spent all the money on the video card and processor, but chose some cheap *** ssd, power supply, and ram just to make it right at 1k . With a quality ssd, ram, and especially power supply, which is one of the most, if not the most important component of the build, it would go up to $1400-1500

The SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze is one of the less expensive power supplies however it is not a bad power supply, or a mediocre power supply. It's actually a pretty good power supply and is a good choice for this kind of build. I completely agree that the power supply is the most important part of your computer, and I actually say that myself. However in this case there's nothing wrong with this power supply. If you in particular want something higher, better, greater, you can always change the build guide to suit your personal preferences and needs. That could be a case with ODD support, a higher end power supply, what not...however, your part choices aren't necessarily what the majority of those viewing the build guides here want. It's not possible to make one build guide that suits everyone's personal preferences, wants, and needs.

Manzu -5 points 4 months ago

Haha, are you blind to irony?

AmirioPlayz 4 points 4 months ago

You can get an external dvd drive

I have a notebook and its perfect (Not gonna have the notebook for long :) )

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

You can get an external dvd drive

Exactly. This.

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jadin101 1 Build 1 point 4 months ago

Another alternative is to purchase the downloadable Win 10 from Microsoft, or you can create a USB install on another computer.

SpazSpy 1 point 4 months ago

Why is there a gtx 1070 with an i5 6500? Wouldn't you be better off with a gtx 1060 and an i5 6600k? (I'm new)

TeraBuilds 1 point 4 months ago

it will be more weaker on graphic intensive games cuz you downgraded the 1070 to a 1060 which has 20-30% decrease

SpazSpy 1 point 4 months ago

But far superior in multitasking/recording and stuff, wouldn't it?

joseph500 2 points 4 months ago

1070 is better every way and the main difference between the 6500 and 6500k is overclocking

SpazSpy 1 point 4 months ago

Just btw joseph it's a 6600k, which doesn't only beat the 6500 with overclocking, also performance without overclocking is far superior.

Justindom88 3 points 4 months ago

It wouldn't be "far superior" but it would be faster, even if the gains were marginal with no over-clocking on the K series chip. Correct me if im wrong as this is what I have been reading.

Electronic 1 point 4 months ago

It all depends on your needs. Multitasking/recording/vid editing (all cpu intensive stuff) benefits from a greater cpu. In that case I would recommend an i7 as it outperforms an i5 in all those aspects. But, if your opting for mostly gaming, a 1070 is awesome. The 1060 is still a phenomenal card though.

SpazSpy 0 points 4 months ago

Reply to the original question xD Out of an i5 6500 + Gtx 1070 vs an i5 6600k + Gtx 1060. We'd all love an i7 6700k + Gtx 1070 but that won't happen for most.

frapbot 1 point 4 months ago

Would I have any problems if I upgrade the 1070 to the 1080?

LemonComputers 2 points 4 months ago

No, as long as the specific GTX 1080 isn't longer than the case supports.

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 4 months ago

Nope!

frapbot 1 point 4 months ago

Thanks! I'm from the Philippines and I'm saving up for a gaming PC. Leaning towards this build.

brentvc 1 point 4 months ago

is there a video comming from this built?

LemonComputers 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, but from an older version of this build guide: https://pcpartpicker.com/blog/108/great-gaming-build-video

RoganMD 1 point 4 months ago

Recommend Ripjaw for RAM and upgrading CPU to 6600k when you upgrade ram and CPU you should increase power supply by 100 or so.

mzn528 1 point 4 months ago

Thank you so much for putting this together, I am an absolute beginner and this is a wonderful guide!

I do have some questions:

  1. Do we need to install a cooling system for this? Without one won't this easily get overheated when playing graphic heavy games?

  2. I noticed the motherboard and GPU are both Mini versions, in the future if I want to upgrade GPU do I also have to buy the mini version? Or will a regular version fits in as well?

Thank you so much.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Do we need to install a cooling system for this? Without one won't this easily get overheated when playing graphic heavy games?

The Intel stock cooler is sufficient since this build doesn't support any overclocking.

I noticed the motherboard and GPU are both Mini versions, in the future if I want to upgrade GPU do I also have to buy the mini version? Or will a regular version fits in as well?

Mini ITX?

mzn528 1 point 4 months ago

Thank you so much for the reply! For the second part I was talking about GPU. Let's say if I want to upgrade to 1080 in the future then do I have to buy a mini 1080 instead of the regular version?

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

You can upgrade later on to any video card that is shorter than 334 millimeters.

mzn528 1 point 4 months ago

Got it, thank you so much for the reply!

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

That's because the NZXT S340 case used in this build guide supports video cards of length up to 334 millimeters.

wakem365 1 point 4 months ago

would this work with a cube form mini-itx case so it could fit on my desk better? if so are there any recommencations?

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Yes, it is compatible. Maybe one of these?

SophiaK 1 point 4 months ago

Im new to pc building, what about the windows 10? How would i go about installing that?

mzn528 2 points 4 months ago

Since this does not have a DVD drive, you can buy a digital version of windows and:

  1. if you have access to another computer, you can download the windows to that machine and make a bootable usb drive with your windows. see here: http://www.howtogeek.com/191054/how-to-create-bootable-usb-drives-and-sd-cards-for-every-operating-system/

  2. if you have no access to another computer I am pretty sure you can buy a windows usb online, it will probably just be more expensive.

Once you have that just insert usb and then start computer, it will start the installation process

Xanatos357 1 point 4 months ago

This will be my first time building a PC, and I was wondering, how necessary is the Solid State Drive? I know it helps improve boot up times and whatnot but could it be dropped from the build without any repercussions, or is it really worth keeping in?

Also as a side note. I'm probably going to just be shooting for 1080p@60fps, so is it overkill to get the GTX 1070? should I just get the 1060?

Electronic 2 points 4 months ago

You will still be able to play all major games at 1080p 60fps with the 1060. The SSD is a very nice add on. Some may say it is necessary but if it is your first PC, you'll appreciate the speed of a regular hard drive.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

This will be my first time building a PC, and I was wondering, how necessary is the Solid State Drive? I know it helps improve boot up times and whatnot but could it be dropped from the build without any repercussions, or is it really worth keeping in?

An SSD greatly increases the speed and performance of your computer, but you can definitely have a computer with just an HDD and no SSD and that's perfectly fine.

Forbidding 1 point 4 months ago

Im leaning towards the build, however I would like a optical drive and I know this case doesn't support that. Would it be possible to use an external optical drive to install Windows? Or would it not work since the USB drivers have yet to be installed.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Would it be possible to use an external optical drive to install Windows?

Yes. You can use an external optical drive to install Windows. Alternatively, you can purchase a USB full retail version of Windows which does not require any type of optical drive for installation.

zmclement25 1 point 4 months ago

Does this have wifi?

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

No, unless you add a wireless network adapter. If you can specify your budget I can recommend some wireless network adapters.

IanC73 1 point 4 months ago

I was also wondering this, and would like a reccomendation. I'm willing to spend on something that works well, but I'm not sure what these go for. I've been told that internal adapters are better than a USB.

LemonComputers 2 points 4 months ago

I was also wondering this, and would like a reccomendation. I'm willing to spend on something that works well, but I'm not sure what these go for.

What's your maximum budget?

I've been told that internal adapters are better than a USB.

Assuming you're referring to PCIe, that's correct because the PCIe interface is much faster than the USB interface.

IanC73 1 point 4 months ago

I was hoping to get something under $50, if possible. I didn't plan on spending much more than $1,000, so I don't want to go too far past it.

LemonComputers 2 points 4 months ago

Either one of these would be good.

IanC73 1 point 4 months ago

Any monitor suggestions for this build?

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RequiemForADoJo 1 point 4 months ago

I noticed that a previous version of this build had a ThermalTake Core V21 case instead of the NZXT case that it has now. Is there a reason that the case was changed in the guide? I really liked the look and cuboid design of the V21 and I'm just curious if there's a reason that I shouldn't buy it now.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

I noticed that a previous version of this build had a ThermalTake Core V21 case instead of the NZXT case that it has now. Is there a reason that the case was changed in the guide? I really liked the look and cuboid design of the V21 and I'm just curious if there's a reason that I shouldn't buy it now.

I'm not aware of any reason not to purchase the case. As far as I know the only reason the case was changed was because the staff build guides rotate through color schemes.

Curve02 1 point 4 months ago

I saw in the description there is a list of cases compatible with this build, where is that? Also I am a beginner and am probably going to be buying this one. I was wondering if local pc parts stores would sell these pieces at a lower price or if this as low as we'll get.

Thanks!

LemonComputers 2 points 4 months ago

It's definitely possible that you could get these parts for cheaper in store. The part prices on here are the cheapest from supported online retailers, but not necessarily the cheapest available.

MokeZ 1 point 4 months ago

What edits do you think would be made if I were to overclock? I know the cooling system is a must, but anything else? Sorry for the noobiness, I'm a beginner :c.

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 4 months ago

Don't ever apologize for being new to anything, especially PC building. Besides, that's a good question! You'll want to go with the unlocked i5-6600k CPU, which allows overlocking via the clock multiplier. Also necessary will be a motherboard with a Z170 chipset, rather than the B150 chipset we have listed above.

MokeZ 1 point 4 months ago

Thank you very much for the help! By the way, I love the case you chose - it has a really nice minimalistic theme to it.

Trav_X 3 points 4 months ago

I agree, it's a great case. The case also comes in Black, Black/Red, and Black/Blue if you'd prefer it over the white. Although the minimalism truely shines the best on the white in my opinion.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Although the minimalism truely shines the best on the white in my opinion.

Agreed. White is my favorite color of the S340.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

By the way, I love the case you chose - it has a really nice minimalistic theme to it.

The S340 is a pretty popular minimalist case. I like it too because it has a nice white color on a plain background with a side panel window.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

What edits do you think would be made if I were to overclock? I know the cooling system is a must, but anything else?

In addition to an aftermarket cooler, you will also need an unlocked K series processor like the i5-6600K and a motherboard with the Intel Z170 chipset.

MokeZ 1 point 4 months ago

Thanks!

jjeremycf 1 point 4 months ago

I was going to build something similar to this but i cannot decide if i should get an i7 6700K with a GTX 970 vs i5 6600K with a GTX 1070. The i7 with 970 is cheaper than i5 with 1070 so i cannot decide which to get.

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 4 months ago

The i5-6600k with 1070 will perform better than i7-6700k with 970 when gaming, provided you aren't streaming. If you want to save money, please do save money. Another option is to go with an i5-6600 (no k) and 1070.

jjeremycf 1 point 4 months ago

What does not having the "K" do? doesnt it just allow it to overlock or is that the difference between 6500 and 6600

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

A non-K processor is locked and cannot be overclocked unlike an unlocked K processor. Additionally, K series processors also have slightly higher stock clock speeds.

jjeremycf 1 point 4 months ago

Do you also think that instead of getting a 1070 to get a 1060? because i dont have the budget for a 1070 and 970 was the other option for me. And since the 1060 is around the same price as the 970 i dont understand why people dont like it.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Yes, because the GTX 1060 is better performing than the GTX 970. Additionally, it will continue to be supported and updated longer.

AlmightyBandaid 1 point 4 months ago

what would change regarding streaming? which processor would you recommend with a 1060 if i were looking to stream a game such as WoW? Will i need overclocking requirements to play and stream?

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

I was going to build something similar to this but i cannot decide if i should get an i7 6700K with a GTX 970 vs i5 6600K with a GTX 1070.

The performance difference between the i5-6600K and the i7-6700K is smaller than that between the GTX 970 and the GTX 1070. Therefore an i5-6600K and a GTX 1070 would be a better setup.

balahadya 1 point 4 months ago

How do i buy this exact build? Im new to pc stuff and i want this great pc to be my first. Should i buy its parts one by one and wait for it to be shipped or theres already an already completed one ready to be shipped.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

You can order the parts from listed retailers and them assemble them.

BAGUVIX 1 point 4 months ago

I definitely want an Optical-Drive. Therefore I need an other case. I've been trying to search for ways to find a tower-case that has the (exact) specifications needed for this build, but as a complete builder-noob, I can't handle manualy putting in all the manual internal/external bays 3,5" 2,5" 5,25" blah blah all those specifications drive(pun inteded) me nuts! And I'm really afraid to accidentaly buy the wrong parts!

can someone with the right knowledge please help me find the best (cheapest) case for this build wíth an optical drive? or help me how to find one? I really don't need anything special like cool colours or see through side panels, just a case that does the exact job :) .

I'd like to order the "Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer" because it seems to have the best price/quality ratio. if an other optical drive under 25 dollars does the job (better) that's fine too.

The only parts I changed in this build are the storage parts. I payed attention to the physical size of the parts, and I seem not to have compatibility issues (so if someone can recommend me other storage parts with the same sizes I'd appreciate that too :D): Hitachi 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Kingston SSDNow UV400 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

TL;DR: what case and optical drive do I have to order?

thank you!

ncanteiro 1 point 4 months ago

Hi there I am thinking of building this desktop for my 14 year old son. I have very limited IT knowledge, but with the numerous videos available these days I think we can manage this project. I have noticed that this build does not include a DVD reader, can you suggest one?

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

The NZXT S340 case used in this build guide does not have any external 5.25" drive bays and therefore does not support ODDs/DVDs since they are used much less these days. However if you want ODD support you can use a different case instead.

ncanteiro 1 point 4 months ago

Thanks LemonComputers

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Here's a parts list very similar to the original build guide in case you decide you do want an optical drive anyways:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $198.88 @ OutletPC
Motherboard *Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $73.98 @ Newegg
Memory *Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $61.99 @ Newegg
Storage *Kingston SSDNow UV400 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $109.99 @ NCIX US
Storage *Hitachi 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.00 @ Amazon
Video Card *Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card $399.99 @ B&H
Case NZXT H630 (White) ATX Full Tower Case $99.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply *SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $54.99 @ Newegg
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $18.88 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1072.69
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-13 18:01 EDT-0400

I can change a few parts other than the optical drive related stuff if you want.

Trav_X 1 point 4 months ago

Also I would suggest the NZXT Phantom 240 White, it's almost the exact same price as the S340 and has an optical drive bay so you can put the DVD writer in there but without paying $100 for that H630.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

without paying $100 for that H630.

The NZXT H630 is only $99.99 and the S340 is about ~$60.

Matthew.Haney 1 point 4 months ago

Considering upgrading the i5 6600 to the i5 6600K to overclock. Would I have to buy another cooling element to support the processor?

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 4 months ago

It would be wise to do so. You'd also want to make sure you got a Z170 motherboard, rather than the B150 boards selected above.

Matthew.Haney 1 point 4 months ago

thank you!

Matthew.Haney 1 point 4 months ago

do you think the 6600k is necessary for just playing league of legends and overwatch?

Trav_X 2 points 4 months ago

The 6600k would not provide much of a performance improvement compared to a 6500 unless you overclocked it quite a bit. And to do that, you'd have to spend upwards of $70-$80 for a high end air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 or an All-In-One liquid cooler like the Corsair H100i.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Not really. You could get an i5-6500 instead.

bpang001 1 point 4 months ago

Nice

Trav_X 1 point 4 months ago

For a gaming build like this I'd suggest dropping to just a 240GB SSD so you save like $40 cause you don't need to store literally all your games on your SSD, just OS and programs like Steam and a few select games you play all the time.

The extra $40 can allow you to get a ATX board instead of MATX, so you get more internal connectors and probably a better quality board in general. For example, you can get this Gigabyte G1 Sniper B7 board for just $10 more than the one in the build now, and you'd get Crossfire support, heat sinks on VRM/power delivery. I'm talking about this board: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/NsL7YJ/gigabyte-motherboard-g1sniperb7rev10

Also with that $40 saved you could spend maybe $5 more for some better quality ram from someone like Corsair, G.Skill, or HyperX for better ram overclocks and stock speeds, if you're into that.

The $40 could also be spent on a GPU that has a better power configuration, like dual six or eight pins so you can overclock the card even farther. Something like an EVGA FTW or a ASUS Strix comes to mind.

Also, if you like 80+ Gold, get a PSU like the Rosewill Photon 550, it's like $10 more than the Seasonic in the build now.

Overall, you'd get a build more like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2wXpBP

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

The extra $40 can allow you to get a ATX board instead of MATX, so you get more internal connectors and probably a better quality board in general.

The extra $40 can allow you to get a ATX board instead of MATX ... and probably a better quality board in general.

How are mATX motherboards better quality than full ATX motherboards when comparing the same motherboard series (lemons to lemons comparison)?

Also with that $40 saved you could spend maybe $5 more for some better quality ram from someone like Corsair, G.Skill, or HyperX for better ram overclocks and stock speeds, if you're into that.

What's lower quality about the Mushkin memory used in this build guide?

Also, if you like 80+ Gold, get a PSU like the Rosewill Photon 550, it's like $10 more than the Seasonic in the build now.

The SeaSonic M12II is an excellent power supply for a build like this. Can you provide a review or source that proves that the Rosewill power supply is better than the SeaSonic?

Trav_X 1 point 4 months ago
  1. ATX motherboards, in general, have more SATA, USB 3.0/2.0 headers, external USB, fan/pump headers, and DIMM slots compared to mATX motherboards. Remember, in general. As well, the mobo included in the build does not have heat sinks around the CPU near the power delivery/VRM area. Heat spreaders there are most of the time a good thing to have, not requiring some form of active cooling or large air movement to cool them without heat sinks. As well, if you decided to run a Crossfire setup instead of a 1070 or use multiple cards x8 PCIe speed or above, the MATX board only has one 16x slot and the rest are 4x. The ATX board has multiple x16 size slots (and therefore x8 spots).

  2. In general, Mushkin memory is decently good, but in terms of performance and overclocking ability, ram like Dominator Platinum, HyperX Savage and Fury, Vengeance LPX, and Ripjaw 4's and 5's tend to achieve better ram overclocks, less heat, more stability, and in my opinion better aesthetics.

  3. The Photon, off the bat, is 80+ Gold instead of 80+ Bronze. As you can tell, 80+ Gold is better than 80+ Bronze. The M12II is indeed an excellent power supply, but if someone wanted more wattage, higher efficiency, internal parts that are equal if not better than the SeaSonic PSU, while still retaining the acoustic level and full-modularity, the Photon is a great choice that is only slightly more expensive.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

ATX motherboards, in general, have more SATA, USB 3.0/2.0 headers, external USB, fan/pump headers, and DIMM slots compared to mATX motherboards. Remember, in general. As well, the mobo included in the build does not have heat sinks around the CPU near the power delivery/VRM area. Heat spreaders there are most of the time a good thing to have, not requiring some form of active cooling or large air movement to cool them without heat sinks. As well, if you decided to run a Crossfire setup instead of a 1070 or use multiple cards x8 PCIe speed or above, the MATX board only has one 16x slot and the rest are 4x. The ATX board has multiple x16 size slots (and therefore x8 spots).

Isn't that more feature related than quality related?

In general, Mushkin memory is decently good, but in terms of performance and overclocking ability, ram like Dominator Platinum, HyperX Savage and Fury, Vengeance LPX, and Ripjaw 4's and 5's tend to achieve better ram overclocks, less heat, more stability, and in my opinion better aesthetics.

Why not Ripjaws V? The Ripjaws 4 is worse and often more expensive.

The Photon, off the bat, is 80+ Gold instead of 80+ Bronze. As you can tell, 80+ Gold is better than 80+ Bronze. The M12II is indeed an excellent power supply, but if someone wanted more wattage, higher efficiency, internal parts that are equal if not better than the SeaSonic PSU, while still retaining the acoustic level and full-modularity, the Photon is a great choice that is only slightly more expensive.

I don't really agree with this. Just because the Rosewill Photon is 80+ Gold certified, does not necessarily mean that in any way it is higher quality than the SeaSonic M12II which is 80+ Bronze certified. Furthermore, the efficiency difference between these two certification levels isn't huge and is not likely to cause a huge difference (unlike, e.g., White vs Titanium).

Trav_X 1 point 4 months ago
  1. That is true, mostly it is a feature set, but the extra money one could spend on a board like the G1 Sniper would most likely be of both better quality and better feature selection as compared to the board from this build.

  2. I said Ripjaw 5's, I assumed Ripjaw V's are 5's because they are the newest version and they came after the 4's, and V is the Roman Numeral for 5. If I am mistaken, then I apologize.

  3. The Seasonic is most definitely not a bad PSU, it's pretty much one of the best bronze PSU's you can get besides a CXM Grey series from Corsair. However, if oneself wanted an 80+ gold or preferred a higher efficiency, then the Photon is a highly reviewed and good quality counterpart that is just a few dollars more than the Seasonic.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

That is true, mostly it is a feature set, but the extra money one could spend on a board like the G1 Sniper would most likely be of both better quality and better feature selection as compared to the board from this build.

OK. I meant that a full ATX motherboard itself isn't necessarily better quality than a mATX motherboard.

I said Ripjaw 5's, I assumed Ripjaw V's are 5's because they are the newest version and they came after the 4's, and V is the Roman Numeral for 5. If I am mistaken, then I apologize.

Ok.

The Seasonic is most definitely not a bad PSU, it's pretty much one of the best bronze PSU's you can get besides a CXM Grey series from Corsair. However, if oneself wanted an 80+ gold or preferred a higher efficiency, then the Photon is a highly reviewed and good quality counterpart that is just a few dollars more than the Seasonic.

That makes sense.

AK2014 1 point 4 months ago

Also extremely new to all of this, but am fairly certain of the answer here... Can this run games like WoW Legion, Civilization 5 (soon 6), and MOBA games on the highest settings? I am assuming yes, but could use someone more experienced to assure me.

Trav_X 1 point 4 months ago

It should be able to, yes. The 6500 CPU is a great quad-core option that can run games quite well. The 1070 is an amazing card, arguably one of the top 5 best cards you can possibly buy right now (Besides like the Titan XP, 1080, 295x2, and the Pro Duo which are all way above the 1070 price point). The 1070 can easily run MOBA's, probably upwards of 200 FPS if they don't have a frame cap. Civilization would run great as well, and WoW should be a perfect title for this card. This is all assuming 1080p gaming, but even at 1440p this card could most likely max out all those games at 60 frames per second.

Curve02 1 point 4 months ago

Noticed that on the US side the gtx 1070 windforce was used be in the Canadian side the mini gtx 1070 was used. Are these relatively the same? I've heard some good reviews about the windforce, seems like it's only a little more on the Canadian end. Thanks

Etinfall 1 point 4 months ago

First off, Thank you for creating these builds and most of all this site! Really fantastic work here from the community.

My build will be mostly for gaming but I will also be using programs like Photoshop and Illustrator at times but only for photo editing and artwork. No video editing or anything like that.

I have decided on this build and have a few simple questions (I hope). -Will the S340 - Designed by Razer case work the same? I want the green colors and it will go with my Razer keyboard and mouse. I looked at the dimensions and didn't see any difference but would feel better to verify with your all's knowledge. On the same note does anyone know of a really cool green lighted case other than the razor that would work as well?

-I am adding some speakers just because I am tired of giving my wife my headphones every time I want her to hear something. Any recommendations with a budget under 200? Like I said I mostly use my wireless headphones so the speakers do not need to be the best of the best. Right now I am leaning towards Logitech Z623 200W 2.1ch Speakers but I have no clue if Logitech speakers are decent or not.

-Lastly, the board has 4 x 288-pin DIMMs, so I could eventually add in more memory. Will this even be needed or will I be upgrading the CPU, board, etc before I will ever need more memory?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Mighty_Duck 1 point 4 months ago

I cant seem to order the memory cards and power supply in the UK and the shipping is £30 a piece so is there and alternatives to both ?

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

Yes. By memory cards, do you mean the RAM, the SSD, the HDD, or all?

jjeremycf 1 point 4 months ago

Can you use DDR4-2400 on a DDR4 2133 mobo? i thought it would be incompatible or is there something im not aware of?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Yes. If your memory is faster than your motherboard supports, the motherboard should downclock the memory to the supported clock speed and should not cause any compatibility issues.

Hwanjong0613 1 point 3 months ago

I wonder..any youtube video I can follow for building this computer? and should I buy cpu cooler for this build?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

I wonder..any youtube video I can follow for building this computer?

Yes, but for an older version of this build guide: https://pcpartpicker.com/blog/108/great-gaming-build-video

and should I buy cpu cooler for this build?

If you have the money, then there's no reason not to, but the stock Intel cooler provided with the processor is sufficient for this build.

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hotelcolliers 1 point 3 months ago

what if i want to switch out the 1070 for a 950 would i have to change anything or just the gpu

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Depends on the specific model, but I would recommend a GTX 1060 before a GTX 950.

DanialAmi 1 point 3 months ago

With just the 2 case fans and the i5 stock cooler.wont it make the pc a negative airflow pc???...and btw if want to add another 2 more fans.. how?

Spamonfire 1 point 3 months ago

@LemonComputers

My laptop just broke and i think that i might finally get a gaming pc

I read all of your comments, and i think that you know most answers on all the questions asked here.

So here is mine: how do you install the wifi thingy that you talked about a couple comments above? Are there guides for that? Or is it smarter to just usw LAN?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

So here is mine: how do you install the wifi thingy that you talked about a couple comments above? Are there guides for that? Or is it smarter to just usw LAN?

A wireless network adapter?

Spamonfire 1 point 3 months ago

Yes that what i mean sry

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

OK, you can install a wireless network adapter (which is usually in the form of either a card or stick) via the proper installation method depending on the interface in use. I recommend PCIe because it is generally the fastest, and you can install PCIe wireless network adapters into any PCIe slot on the motherboard that supports the same or more PCIe lanes.

Mr_chubbybear 1 point 3 months ago

Hey im just wondering how it running? im considering buying it

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

This is not a completed build, just a build guide.

FalconLikesComputers 1 point 3 months ago

For this build, could the 1070 drive a 1440p 144hz monitor, or would I be better off with 1080p 144hz? I'll also be using it for schoolwork and maybe some programming and photo editing in the future.

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Yes.

BeefBaby 1 point 3 months ago

Alright I'm extremelly intrested in this build, and was wondering if anyone knows the diffrence between this GPU and this one http://slickdeals.net/f/9134059-zotac-geforce-gtx-1070-mini-8gb-gddr5-344-78-fs-jet-com . It's an after market gtx 1070 by Zotac, and is $50 cheaper. Is $50 diffrence worth it?

will_rippey 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

Yes. Get that one

BeefBaby 1 point 3 months ago

Alright another question. Off that same website coming out to $365.09 is a GEFORCE GTX1070 SC PCIE 3.0 8GB. I checked compatiblity on the pcpartpicker list and it checks out. https://jet.com/product/GEFORCE-GTX1070-SC-PCIE-30-8GB/6a59c1f0bb064313a12ce1909258294c?jcmp=afl:link:lw9MynSeamY:414378:1:10&siteID=lw9MynSeamY-R5gOHeARvMt.uJF6POQk0Q With Shop10 coupon code

Casimiro4366 1 point 3 months ago

Will this build be good for 1440p? Sorry, I'm new to the PC building world.

InvaderGir 1 point 3 months ago

Yes.

hugsto 1 point 3 months ago

How well will it be able to run Overwatch?

InvaderGir 1 point 3 months ago

At max settings well above 60FPS at 1080p and closer to 60FPS at 1440p.

Bernesgemma 1 point 3 months ago

Help please! I am brand new to building a pc and used this guide 100%. Tried putting the parts together and when I turn it on the fans come on and there is a LED light on the video card that comes on for about 20 seconds and then everything shuts off. And then starts back up and shuts off over and over. There is no beep. The one questionable thing that came up during the build is that the motherboard requires a second connection (8 pin) to the PSU in addition to the 20/24. The cords that came with the PSU had one labeled CPU and was split into 2 4-pins, but only one of the set of pins matched up so I could only insert that one and left the other hanging. This was the PSU recommended for the motherboard so I am so lost on what to do.

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Firstly, can you conduct a paperclip test to check your PSU? If that doesn't help, does booting with only one stick of RAM in one slot help any bit?

Hwanjong0613 1 point 3 months ago

I am considering this build....and I got some questions.. Is it ok to put Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1060 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6g video card instead of Geforce GTX 1070? If I change Seasonic 450w 80+ Gold Certified semi-modular ATX Power Supply to Seasonic 550w 80+ Gold Certified semi-modular ATX Power Supply, It would be better performance?

InvaderGir 2 points 3 months ago

Changing the PSU wont affect performance. The PSU currently in the guide is enough to run the build.

You can use the GTX 1060 no problem but the GTX 1070 is much better.

Hwanjong0613 1 point 3 months ago

Thank you for reply :)

choya1218 1 point 3 months ago

Hello, I've got some questions that sound rather dumb but really need help answering them, first time trying to build a PC.

I noticed under the specs for this motherboard to have this warning "Due to a Windows 32-bit operating system limitation, when more than 4 GB of physical memory is installed, the actual memory size displayed will be less than the size of the physical memory installed." and kind of panicked...does it mean if I use this mobo in my build I can only run 32-bit windows OS and not the 64-bit one?

Also, a salesperson had given me "advice" that my build (which is closely similar to the parts used in this build) doesn't need any coolers, the casing fan on a CM N200 would be enough. How do I gauge if a cooler is needed or not?

He also told me that I shouldn't be getting the Windows 8.1 as it's "dying off" and told me to buy the Windows 10 OS. But couldn't I just get the 8.1 and let it upgrade automatically to a 10 after installing it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks alot!

will_rippey 1 Build 2 points 3 months ago

On the first question, it's basically saying that if you use a 32 bit copy of Windows you will only be able to use 4 gigabytes of RAM. 64 bit allows you to use up to 512 IIRC.

As for the second one, you need a CPU cooler without a doubt. Your CPU will overheat and shut down without one. If you mean case fans, the stock fans will suffice.

As for the 3rd, you can do that until 2017. Hope this helps

CoreyTM 1 point 3 months ago

Im planning on building something along the lines of this

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/tn3Bqk

Any reccomendations?

LemonComputers 2 points 3 months ago

A few notes to consider:

  • The Kingston SSDNow V300 is not a good SSD and I would recommend replacing it with something better quality for around the same price, e.g. a SanDisk SSD PLUS.
  • I believe the WD Blue 2 TB, despite spinning at a slower speed, is actually faster than the HGST hard drive.
  • The EVGA 500B is a mediocre quality power supply that I would replace with a better quality Corsair CX450M.

Hope this helps.

CoreyTM 1 point 3 months ago

Thanks for the quick reply (:

i have gone back through and updated it let me know what you think when u get the chance http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dNdPJV

LemonComputers 2 points 3 months ago

Looks good to me.

CoreyTM 1 point 3 months ago

Thanks for the help (:

RasputinOP 1 point 3 months ago

I would reccomend is changing the RAM to 4x4GB since you have 4 slots on your motherboard, 4 channels is better than 2. Also you arent dedicating enough of your budget the the graphics card, should be 35-45% of your entire budget.

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 3 months ago

No LGA 1151 motherboards support quad channel memory, so 4 sticks of RAM will provide zero benefits over 2 sticks.

The video card is already using up that percentage of the budget.

RasputinOP 1 point 3 months ago

You have no operating system, unless you want to use Linux, with an operating system the budget is $1100, 400/1100 = only 35%, I said 35-45 but you should lean towards the higher end. Either way the 1070 is a plentiful graphics card, Ill be building a system soon with the 1070.

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

AFAIK the scope of the staff build guides is only the box and its contents.

chef109 1 point 3 months ago

I am pretty new to this. I seemed to have put everything together and now the computer turn on and off again ever 5-10 seconds. anybody know what's wrong.

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Please try the following troubleshooting steps and report back with results.

  • Clear your CMOS battery
  • Remove, clean, and reseat RAM
  • Boot with only one stick of RAM in one slot at a time
  • Boot with only the SSD and only the HDD
  • Boot without the video card
  • Disconnect your power supply and conduct a paperclip test

Thanks!

chef109 1 point 3 months ago

Tried everything and still bootloops

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

What was the result of the paperclip test? (Pass I assume.)

WarhammerGeek 1 point 3 months ago

Ok very new to building PC (this would be the first I've built myself). Would this setup work with an Avermedia Live Gamer HD Capture Card and dual monitors?

Tyreathian 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

For people who actually built this, how's the motherboard working out for you?

scomer17 1 point 3 months ago

Is the PSU sufficient for this complete build?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Yes. The SeaSonic M12II is actually a pretty good power supply.

JCurl44 1 point 3 months ago

Is 480GB SSD a little overkill? I would probably just have OS steam and most frequently played games on it and i don't play that many games at one time. Am i not accounting for something?

will_rippey 1 Build 2 points 3 months ago

A bit. I have a 250 gig SSD that I have my OS and one game on there and I've only used up about 80 gigs. I think it comes down to how big the games are.

LemonComputers 2 points 3 months ago

Nope. 480 GB is a nice balance for SSD storage capacity. If you need any more storage you can always add an HDD. :)

Gsleek1 1 point 3 months ago

Considering this build, can you let me know what monitor would be best ?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

What's your budget for a monitor?

Gsleek1 1 point 3 months ago

Willing to spend at least 150-200on a decent monitor

Pcdestroysconsole 2 points 3 months ago

If you are willing to spend 200 dollars then there are some 144HZ monitors that are 1080p with 1MS response time.

Here is the link

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PmyFf7/acer-monitor-umfg6aab01

Gsleek1 1 point 3 months ago

About 200 just want a good quality monitor that'll do the job, I'm in the process or buying all the parts ATM

Gsleek1 1 point 3 months ago

Around 200

Gsleek1 1 point 3 months ago

below $250

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Will you be using multiple monitors?

Gsleek1 1 point 2 months ago

Hi what monitor would you recommond below $200?

NaoOsamu 1 point 3 months ago

I'm new to building a pc and was sent here when looking for a great build for a specific game(DayZ Standalone). 1) If I think of picking a different graphics card will it affect the pc as in a negative way or no change at all. 2)will the type of monitor be affected depending on the built pc? If so any recommendations that are cheap 3)how do I install the operating system Like I said, New to building a pc and this seems like a great start. Just don't want to be making a slight mistake

Pcdestroysconsole 3 points 3 months ago

Okay, first off the graphics card I would reccomend is the Rx 470 here is the link, it can play games like arma 2 and 3 as well as Rust with ease. This GPU is great because it fits the minimum specifications to run Days Standalone well. The price is lower than the GTX 1070 which gives some flexibility if you are thinking of getting a better processor of monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cz648d/gigabyte-radeon-rx-470-4gb-g1-gaming-video-card-gv-rx470g1-gaming-4gd

As for the monitor, since all you would be needing is 60HZ I would highly recommend this one, it is 1080p with a 1MS response time. What you're looking for is a 60HZ 1MS monitor when playing survival games. You are not always going to be engaged in combat at all times so 60HZ is all you would be needing.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xbKhP6/asus-monitor-vp228h

Finally the operating system should be installed through your CD Drive if it is your first time. It is actually simpler this way than a USB install, especially if it's the first time you're going to be installing Windows. Just make sure that you have the product key code to activate it. All that's needed is for you to insert the Windows OS disk in the CD drive. Go to your boot menu and press boot from CD Drive after that it should load and start automatically installing Windows. Once it is done type in the product key code that came with the OS disk and that should complete the installation of Windows!

I hope this helped you :)

Just message me if you need anymore assistance okay.

NaoOsamu 2 points 3 months ago

Thank you for the great info I'll be sure to message if im eve r stuck

Pcdestroysconsole 1 point 3 months ago

OK that's great, glad I could help!

NaoOsamu 2 points 3 months ago

But would the rest of the parts of this build work well with this graphics card you're recommending?

Pcdestroysconsole 1 point 3 months ago

The parts that are replacing some of the parts in there build would work extremely well for a lower price. Everything else in the build can stay it is an excellent build.

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

1) If I think of picking a different graphics card will it affect the pc as in a negative way or no change at all.

Depends on the specific graphics card in question.

2)will the type of monitor be affected depending on the built pc? If so any recommendations that are cheap

Please specify your exact budget as "cheap" is way too vague and subjective.

3)how do I install the operating system Like I said, New to building a pc and this seems like a great start. Just don't want to be making a slight mistake

You can install it via an ODD, but since this build doesn't support optical drives, nope. But, but...you can install the OS via a purchased USB drive or download Windows from the Microsoft Store onto your own USB drive.

NaoOsamu 1 point 3 months ago

Sorry By cheap I mean one at a price range of $100-$200

Casimiro4366 1 point 3 months ago

Is there anything else you would need to buy to get this PC to work?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

OS, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse (if not included with keyboard).

Casimiro4366 1 point 3 months ago

Sorry, I'm a bit of a noob here. How would you get bluetooth or wifi with this motherboard?

Pcdestroysconsole 1 point 3 months ago

This mother board comes with an Ethernet port for a wired internet connection. However if you cannot use a wired connection then you would need something called a wireless network adapter to gain access to wireless Wi-Fi connection.

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

You would have to add a wireless network adapter to the build.

dorofingers 1 point 3 months ago

Hello ThoughtA,

I am completely new to building PCs (like literally just started researching today) and noticed that you were the author of a lot of the staff build guides.

I was trying to do something close to your "Great Gaming Build" guide, but I have a couple questions if you don't mind answering.

  1. I'm not comfortable with overclocking, but do you think it's a must for gaming? I see a lot of builds using K CPUs and not as much of the locked CPUs. I guess I'm just not really familiar with games that would even benefit from overclocking as I have never owned a gaming PC (I've actually been a mac user my whole life - shame on me). Is overclocking beneficial besides gaming? FYI: I only tend to build a PC for moderate gaming and general use, no streaming or video editing.

  2. I see that you used the i5-6500 CPU. Do you not think the i5-6600 is worth the extra $?

  3. I've done some reading, but am still confused about b vs. h vs. z motherboards. I know you need a Z if you tend to OC (which I don't). But, what about H vs. B? You used B in this build, but articles tend to just say that it's more oriented for businesses? I'm confused by what that means. In fact, I just find motherboards difficult to understand in general. For H, there's H110 vs. H170, and I don't really understand their differences.

  4. For GPU, are there specific compatibility issues w/ the CPU? So is there a GPU that works well with the i5-6500 and one that works better with the i5-6600? I'd also appreciate some more information regarding how you know how to pair these things.

  5. Lastly for power supply, you have an estimated 316 W for your "great gaming build". You included a 520 W power supply in the build - is there a recommendation for how much higher the W should be than the estimated wattage?

ThoughtA staff submitter 2 points 3 months ago

Hey there!

I'm excited you're looking into building your own PC! It's a really cool world to get into with a lot of surprising paths you can take with it. Heck, I have a job with it!

I'm just gonna dive into your questions now:

I'm not comfortable with overclocking, but do you think it's a must for gaming? I see a lot of builds using K CPUs and not as much of the locked CPUs. I guess I'm just not really familiar with games that would even benefit from overclocking as I have never owned a gaming PC (I've actually been a mac user my whole life - shame on me). Is overclocking beneficial besides gaming? It is absolutely not a must. The closest it gets in debates is whether it's even worth it. Right now the going consensus is that it's generally not worth it purely for performance:price (so the value you get out of it), but if you want to overclock for fun, pride, or to get some more longevity (at a cost), it's not a bad choice.

I see that you used the i5-6500 CPU. Do you not think the i5-6600 is worth the extra $? The clock speeds between the two are minimal. It generally isn't going to be worth it if your price difference is $10-20, but if it's closer, it's not a bad decision to go with the i5-6600. For a decision like this, it's mostly just a matter of what you're comfortable with. There's no wrong choice there.

I've done some reading, but am still confused about b vs. h vs. z motherboards. I know you need a Z if you tend to OC (which I don't). But, what about H vs. B? You used B in this build, but articles tend to just say that it's more oriented for businesses? I'm confused by what that means. In fact, I just find motherboards difficult to understand in general. For H, there's H110 vs. H170, and I don't really understand their differences. The articles saying B150 is more oriented for businesses need to pay more attention beyond what the basic marketing is. You won't get RAID support with B150. RAID is combining multiple hard drives for increased read/write speed and/or more reliability should a drive fail. The majority of users do not use RAID. You can't SLI/CrossFire with either chipset. Both support dual channel memory. Both support the same number of USB 3.0 ports. The biggest difference is probably that B150 only features x8 PCI-E 3.0 lanes vs H170's x16. This can matter, but it's likely not going to unless you're using very high end hardware with very demanding tasks.

The short version: there are no important differences between the two unless you're set on RAID.

As for H110... I'd avoid H110 as much as possible for the simple reason that the cost difference between B150 and H110 is too small to go with the worse and cheaper H110. It has even fewer lanes than B150, it only supports single channel memory, and it only supports 4 native USB 3.0 ports. H110 is fine if you really are on a very, very tight budget, but it's just not worth it otherwise.

One related note I'd make on motherboards is that if aesthetics matter to you, sometimes you might want to bump the motherboard up a chipset just for the looks. If that's how you want to spend you're money, do it. Don't let anyone tell you how to enjoy your own PC. If you don't care about aesthetics, then great! You've just saved some money.

For GPU, are there specific compatibility issues w/ the CPU? So is there a GPU that works well with the i5-6500 and one that works better with the i5-6600? I'd also appreciate some more information regarding how you know how to pair these things. Nope. No compatibility issues. When it comes to GPU compatibility, you only care about 3 things:

  1. Does it fit in the motherboard? If the motherboard has a physical x16 PCI-E slot, you're good. You likely want it to have x8 PCI-E 3.0 or x16 PCI-E 2.0 electrically. This last bit is a more advanced topic that ultimately is unlikely to ever be an issue unless you are purchasing an extremely low budget and strange motherboard.
  2. Is your power supply sufficient? Your PSU needs to provide enough power, and it has to have the correct cables to connect to the video card's supplementary PCI-E power ports. Some lower power cards don't require any supplementary power.
  3. Is your case big enough for the card? Video cards are fairly large, and not all cases fit all video cards. Most cases fit most video cards, however, and many fit all. Still, it's always worth confirming. PCPartPicker automatically checks all of the above for you, and you can trust those checks. It is always worth double checking yourself to be safe, though. The easiest way is to see if anyone else built with the same or similar combination of parts as you.

As for making the right pairing of CPU and GPU, it's strictly a matter of performance. Both the CPU and GPU's calculations are required to render frames, and in higher, more abstract terms, you don't want the CPU or GPU waiting on each other to an excessive degree. If one completely outperforms the other, like a Titan X Pascal paired with an Intel i3-6100, or like with an Intel i7-6950K paired with a GTX 950, you'll have spent a lot of money one something that isn't helping any more than a far cheaper component would have. Imagine two runners who are tied together on a track. One is always going to be at least a tiny bit faster than the other, but if the discrepancy is too great, one will be holding the other back in a major way. And if you're paying the faster runner a ton of money, you've wasted that money when you could have just gotten a second runner who was more like the slower one for much less.

So the goal is to pair a CPU and GPU that will not hold each other back too much. Because an increasingly heavy amount of the burden is on the GPU, this means it's generally "easier" for a CPU to keep up with a GPU for a similar price point. However, bottlenecks aren't as simple as people often make them out to be. One component isn't going to strictly perform better than the other in all games. In fact, there are times where both components outperform each other at various moments in the same game. For most mid-high PCs, a modern Core i5 CPU will keep up with mid-high GPUs in most games and most scenarios. There will always be caveats, but that's tried and true advice. Please feel free to ask for a better explanation if you're still confused.

Lastly for power supply, you have an estimated 316 W for your "great gaming build". You included a 520 W power supply in the build - is there a recommendation for how much higher the W should be than the estimated wattage? There are a variety of rules of thumb, all or most of which are valid, and none of which are concrete or "more right." Some people say add 20-50% extra wattage just to be sure. Others say take the maximum estimated power draw and add 100W. Others say to add extra for overclocking too. They all work. I usually say to just add 100W or so, since the price difference will be minimal in most cases, and you have to work pretty hard to get any drawbacks to going too large. You can safely go lower if you'd like, but there isn't a lot of reason to. You can also go higher. It's just that at a certain point, you're wasting a significant amount of money, like if you took the Great Gaming Build and bought a 1200W PSU.

All of your questions show that you did research of your own beforehand, and that's always to be commended. These are some great beginner questions, and you aren't the first one to wonder at any of them, nor will you be the last. There's a lot to take in, and there will always be more, but it will get easier.

Xander27926 1 point 3 months ago

im thinking of making this build, but i want to add a CD-Rom can anyone recommend a different case?

ghosty1r 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

does this motherboard (ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard) fit with this build . all i want to change is the cpu to a k series and add a cooler aside from that i would like to leave the rest intact, is that possible?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

Should.

ghosty1r 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

not sure who you are mate but thanks for always answering questions, im new to this and reading the answers you have posted has made this much more simple.

Pcdestroysconsole 1 point 3 months ago

This is unfortunely to high of a price for me :(

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

What is your budget? You could swap the GPU for a GTX 1060 and get a 1TB HDD instead. Or, you could check out one of these staff build guides, or you could check out this Entry Level Build Guide by Lemon.

Newpacc 1 point 3 months ago

Hey guys, Im looking to do my first ever build and looking at possibly doing this one. Is it complicated for somebody thats never built a pc before? Any tips? Thanks

ghosty1r 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

i havent ordered all the parts but what i have assembled from this build so far has been easy. everything comes with a manual and if thats to hard there are plenty of videos on youtube. this is also my first build and will update when finished.

thinkxdifferent 1 point 3 months ago

new builder here, and I really want to get this build, but I was thinking of i7-6700 and corsair 500r for the case instead. For the cpu, what would I miss out on by getting the i5 specified here? also would that case work for this build?

LemonComputers 1 point 3 months ago

For the cpu, what would I miss out on by getting the i5 specified here?

Not much in terms of performance. In fact, the i5-6600K is unlocked and officially supports overclocking, unlike the non-K i7-6700.

also would that case work for this build?

Yes.

thinkxdifferent 1 point 3 months ago

thanks for the reply! I'm not into overclocking, I was just wondering about the performance difference between i5-6500 and i7-6700 :)

LazyWestCoaster 1 point 3 months ago

Didn't see in the description, but does this build come with a preinstalled OS?

ghosty1r 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

no it doesnt and neither do most of the builds in this website. also this case does not suuport physical disk space so you would need a usb to install the OS just keep that in mind when figuring out which OS and where you are going to get it from

LemonComputers 1 point 2 months ago

No. You'll have to purchase an operating system.

bongoskillz 1 point 3 months ago

Are there any other Motherboards that would work with this build that have built-in wifi?

LemonComputers 1 point 2 months ago

You can filter motherboards by wireless networking.

eviltweats 1 point 3 months ago

I am building a similar rig. But i was planning i5 6600k and asus z170 pro gaming combination. Can anyone tell me which is good and by how margin ? is it worth going for costly combo or his rig is better?? And gpu price is showing around 33800 rupees, guess i will have to settle for 1060 .

IAmNerner 1 point 3 months ago

Hey guys. I have a question concerning the CPU. I am leaning towards buying a 1440p 144hz monitor and was wondering whether the i5-6500 would be able to handle that resolution while being able to deliver a good frame rate. I was thinking that I might have to go with the i5-6600k (and naturally, I would have to purchase the extra fans/coolers).

On a side note. Would this upgrade mess with any of the other components?

Casimiro4366 1 point 3 months ago

Is there a point to making the gtx 1070 in a mini-itx form factor rather than the normal size?

ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 3 months ago

No, it's just what's cheapest. I'm revising this guide right now, actually, and I think I'm going to filter our mini cards, with the option to include them.

will_rippey 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

Ayy Avexir Core

D_blade777 1 point 3 months ago

Hi I could really use some help if people are still watching this comment thread. I'm doing my first build and I bought all the same parts on this build. I seem to be running into issues with two things.

  1. The motherboard holes lineup to where the speakers, HDMI. VGA connections, etc are not lining up to the outside of the case. If I do put it in the available pegs it would be in the case. Any ideas?

  2. I haven't had much experience with power supplies and the amount of cords confuses me. Could someone break down which ones I need to use. I tried to watch the guide but it's from the one previous and doesn't seem to be similar enough for me to figure it out.

I appreciate any assistance.

story1873 1 point 2 months ago

Doing a bit of research, my astro a50s won't work the way I want them to due to a lack of optical/toslink input on the motherboard. Do I need a soundcard to get the optical connection? If so what card is compatible with this build?

michaelshuilam -1 points 4 months ago

I would recommend future PC built to include a date since parts price fluctuate in months and sale season. That will be helpful. Mike

Servomation 8 points 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure that the parts prices are "live" and update automatically, do they not?

And I believe the highlighted builds are updated manually every month or so, as new/better components are announced. For instance, this "Great Gaming Build" list now has the GTX 1070, which has been on the market for, what, less than 6 months.

LemonComputers 1 point 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure that the parts prices are "live" and update automatically, do they not?

That's correct.

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ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 3 months ago

The Entry Level Gaming Build had nothing but AMD GPUs until its latest iteration. There's just nothing acceptable at the higher price points from AMD at the moment.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes hardware just isn't in an ideal place.

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ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 3 months ago

What would you have me put in place of the 1070 or 1080 that performs as well or better across the board?

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ThoughtA staff submitter 1 point 3 months ago

What AMD offering that is out right now do you think is going to outperform the GTX 1070?

Reason:
Note: Wattages are estimates only. Actual power draw may differ from listed values.
Component Estimated Wattage
Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor 8W - 65W
Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard 15W - 60W
Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory 11W - 11W
PNY CS1111 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive 2W - 10W
Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini ITX OC Video Card 37W - 150W
Total: 77W - 316W