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Ghetto Rig (WOOOOOOOOOOO)

by aron304

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Details

Date Published

Dec. 4, 2016

CPU Clock Rate

3.2 GHz

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.09 GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

7 GHz

Description

So there is a story behind this computer. A friend wanted to get into PC gaming and I told them to send me a speccy sheet. Most of my friends have really under powered computer. (aka Zombie) However i saw 6gb of ram, an a8-5500 quad core a 1tb hard drive and windows 10. I had a solid starting point. However there was a lot of frustrating issues before getting this computer to work.

Parts

CPU So there was some confusion behind this. I was having thermal issues even after upgrading the cooler. I think there is something wrong with the application of the thermal paste from the factory between the APU dye and the APU lid. Still it performs well enough to justify an rx 460 for a gpu. It runs the games they want to play just fine. Wont change i unless it breaks or i get some incredible deal on like an a10 or an 760k. Passmark was a little lower then others, but it also only has 6gb of ram to work with so im not shocked. Maybe im just being wierd about the thermals since the case has only 1 exhaust fan.

CPU Cooler Got it for 10 dollars to replace the crappy stock one (nothing wrong with Coolermaster, just wasn't designed to cool this APU). It controls the thermals find and if it weren't for this specifically stressful situation it would be fine.

RAM so this is wierd. 6gb of ram which i initially had issues with, but when i switched them, they ran fine. its 6gb of ram and considering the budget constraints I couldn't justify another 15 dollars to get 8gb of ram. Maybe later we will consider an upgrade, but it's not worth it at this time. we found ram was never maxed out aside from passmark. even though they are different sized ram, it runs in dual channel which i found wierd. Not sure if its kingston ram, all i know is its ddr3 1600mhz ram.

Motherboard this is what caused almost all the headaches with this build. It was clear it was the issues with the ram. It was also annoying they glued the backplate on. The fact that the fan speed doesn't change baffles me. Why put on 4 pin pwm for the cpu cooler and not have it change according to the cpu temp? Bios doesn't let you do that and i didn't want to flash it. Annoying! Still it works and it has some really nice features like 4 dimm slots and actually being ATX complient for a micro atx motherboard from HP. It works and changing it was not in the budget.

Hard Drive its a 1tb hard drive. plenty of storage albiet booting is a bit slow. It works fine and holds everything. Budget didnt allow for an ssd and since they had 1tb of storage i didn't feel the need to touch it.

Video Card So we got this RX 460 4gb for 120 with a 90 dollar rebate that went smoothly enough. I could have went used and found a better deal, but i didn't want to replace the stock power supply as that adds 30 dollars for the budget. i figured this was going to be the one video card they were going to purchase for a long time and the 4gb of ram in games like DOOM help with vulkan. it was like a 10 dollar difference between the 2 and 4gb after MIR so we went with this. i didn't see the fans kick on at all until i did something about it in system fan (though thats probably what caused them to never kick on) it hit 88 after running heaven with no fans. I just kept it at 40 percent all of the time and now it maxes out at 58. Due to the limited airflow i didn't attempt an overclock as there was allready thermal problems for the cpu, didnt need a lot of hot air being kicked around in the case.

Case

Its an HP pavillion. usual annoyances as any oem case. no intake fan, other side rivited on so i couldnt remove the backplate that way. It works.

Power Supply from what i read delta makes good power supplies and a 300 watt psu would be more then enough for an rx 460. wish it had a molex connector so i could jury rig an intake fan on the side panel, but hey that is what fan splitters are for amiright? It works and it has all the connectors i need (not want but need). Couldn't justify 30 dollars for a new PSU)

Optical Drive DVD optical drive. it works. nothing to say here.

Monitor this is the monitor that came with the computer. 1600x900 is a nice resolution and spending the money on a monitor wasn't worth it.

PROBLEMS

RAM ISSUES So Windows was being really slow before i did anything to it. I ran cc cleaner to see if that would solve it. Still was being slow. I knew it had 6 gb of ram as speccy detected that so i went to check task manager to see what was up. It only detected 2. I turned it off and reseated the ram, still 2. So i decided to take out the 2 and 4 gb. I put the 4 where the 2gb dimm was and now windows was recognizing 4gb of ram. I put the 2 where the 4 used to be and now we had 6. Wonderful.

CPU THERMALS

SO after installing the Graphics card i thought great nothing left to do. Until i tried running cpu-z on it. The cpu instantly shot up to 105 degrees Celsius in less then 2 minutes and it shut off. I thought oh just needs new thermal paste. Well it did as the old stuff was crusty, but turns out it was just a way unerpowered cooler considering that the MOTHERBOARD DOESN'T SPEED UP THE FAN AT ALL! That is one thing frustrating about the motherboard, has a 4 pin PWM connector, makes 0 use of it. Runs at minimum RPM no matter what you do, even in system fan you can't adjust it whatsoever. I will say though even if it did speed up it wouldnt solve the problem since the cooler doesn't make full contact with the heat spreader of the APU. Seriously cooler manufacturers. This is the cheapest and easiest way to help keep a cpu/apu cool, just make contact with all of it, enough of the circular contact pad they don't make sense, skimp out on the thickness of the cooler by .2 inches if it means you can take that metal to make the cooler make full contact with the heat spreader. So i was on the search for a new cpu cooler, cheap budget, case supported 149mm cooler (measured it no actual official number), had to have a somewhat higher minimum RPM since it runs at the slowest speed. Wierd thing though is that the mounting for the cooler is an intel style mount (not the traditional AMD Cooler mount as this was a square mount rather then rectangular. So i found the gammaxx 200t was my best option. was 10 bucks, 900 rpm (the t2 from coolermaster was 400 for a minimum) and it had a 120mm fan which gives it more airflow. It also fit the requirements for the height. So they ordered the cooler and away we went with the installation. I tried installing it without taking the motherboard out. HA HA nope not a chance. This cooler mounts like a stock intel cooler. Its actually quite interesting. The cooler fits an amd backplate right from the getgo. The plastic adapter for it just converts amd tabs to an intel cooler you just push through the motherboard. However this coolermaster cooler has a backplate so that had to come off. so after removing the motherboard i ran into a hiccup. The backplate was glued to the motherboard. That was annoying to get off, but i managed it by slowly pushing on the cooler. There was a gasket between the backplate and the glue so eventually it separated. So i started to install the cooler and i found out that in order to push the tabs in i had to take the fan off of the cpu cooler. it got in the way of the tabs so i took it off and pushed the tabs in. Putting the fan on wasnt a big deal though and it went fine. So i turned it on and things are looking the same. same idle temps. Turned on CPU-Z and we hit 85, didnt go past that but i still didnt like it. Since i didn't want to return the cooler it was time to GHetto it up in hear (well aside from ripping a part of the motherboard). If you only have the first 2 pints of the cpu cooler in it will run at max speed, so i got the ducktape out, covered the last 2 pins on the connector of the fan and plugged it in half way. I used the ram to hold the cable in place. we went from 1000 to 1700. max temp was now 75, not great but i could live with that. most of the time under 100 percent load it was 70 so i could deal with it, idle went down to 45 so ill call it "It will do".

Conclusion So the total budget for this was 100 dollars and considering what it can do im happy with it. It plays minecraft maxed out at 80 fps average and they like how it turned out. They feel confident enough to try harder games on it like World of Tanks and i feel like it will do great for that. If you have any questions about the Motherboard or case let me know.

Comments Sorted by:

rexox19 2 points 27 months ago

for $100 and the skeleton of a pavilion, this is pretty darn cool

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

Thankyou :) We had an extremely limited budget of 100 bucks so i had to make the most of that. I didn't want this to turn into constantly purchasing parts since i wanted to show that they didn't need a ton of parts (which they didnt).

RedRageTNT 4 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

Nice, wonder if DIY Wraith would have been better?

Also consider a 120 GB or 60 GB SSD to help the slow boot and load times.

Overall Nice that you could do this for so little.

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

Thankyou :) I thought about the possibility, but honestly the cooler was 10 dollars, i wouldn't have been able to build a DIY Wraith cooler because the fan was allready a 92mm and the heat sink sucked. for 10 dollars it really would have been hard for me to do better.

RedRageTNT 4 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

True this is a tight spot, you did well I must admit.

Hmmm... Thinking about it was about a Hyper T2 or T2 blizzard. Used would be cheap.

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

I meant to say i was looking at the t2 (i edited it in the article now). I considered it, but the minimum RPM of 400 was not looking to promising.

kudos2u 1 point 27 months ago

I would have picked up another stick of RAM. 8gb would balance it out, and might be the reason why you arent getting good performance. although, im currently running 4gb and Windows 10 is still a breeze. not snappy, just good enough. nice upgrade tho!

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 2 points 27 months ago

Thankyou :) The performance was fine. I know it could be better with 8 gb, but they want to play games and they are not concerned with benchmarks. I upgraded the gpu because that was needed, the cpu cooler was also needed so that it wouldn't crash. 2gb more so that they get potentially 5 fps more really wasn't worth it.

oneflygtiguy 5 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

100$ and it plays Minecraft at 80fps? What more do you want? :)

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

Yea and it is an extreme bios fancy graphics with everything maxed out except for chunks (i think its at 12). They were on minimum settings before and averaging around 20 fps. They are happy :D

xCarter 1 Build 1 point 27 months ago

Gawd damn that PSU needs an upgrade, or a whole new build, keeping the graphics card ;) +1

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

LOL, thanks for the info. I will say on a serious note i do trust the power supply. Delta makes good Power Supplies

FACUNDO 13 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

Not that ghetto, tho...

Anyways, I like it. :))))))))))

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

thankyou :) The part where i said it was ghetto was the fan installation of the cpu cooler and ripping off a part of the motherboard.

fortking 3 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

if possible, try and ghetto mount a 120mm fan in the front and hook it up via molex if there isnt another header It deffinately helps in those cases (no pun intended)

aron304 submitter 6 Builds 1 point 27 months ago

there is no molex connectors on the PSU, had that idea allready shot down. will just need a fan splitter :/

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