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A Used Point of View V1.0

by Wolfemane

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52 Comments

Details

Date Published

Sept. 26, 2016

CPU Clock Rate

3.7GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

40.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

71.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.71GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

10GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

37.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

78.0° C

Description

This build originated from multiple discussions across various sites about the reliability of using used parts in a system. I have always been a strong supporter of using used over new whenever possible, specially in the modern computer age. This build is a direct answer to many who are skeptical (or downright against) about this topic.

I originally started this build within a forum post in GENERAL. It's a bit old now, but explains most of the parts list that were originally in the wanted build list and what I ended up with. The thread can be found here: A re-sellers point of view.

Overall I am quit happy with this system, and it has performed beyond my expectations. By far and wide the i3-6100 has been the top crown in this build. I've always wanted to build a system with this chip, and finally got my chance with this build. It has not disappointed. I also have the BIOS to allow overclocking of non K processors, but won't do anything until i replace the really really really crappy Intel stock cooler.

I'm not going to go into to many details as I have already laid most of that out in the post. But I will leave you all with a few points of interest:

  1. Boot time from power button to windows login - 7s

  2. 66w idle

  3. 291w peak
  4. 243w Average will gaming / I used a Kill-a-Watt EZ to read power draw at the wall.

  5. Firestrike 1.1 - 11720

  6. FIrestrike Extreme 1.1 - 7994
  7. Time Spy - 5377

  8. DOOM Ultra/nightmare settings - 120+ fps

  9. Fallout 4 - 60fps w/vsync
  10. Subnautica Highest settings - 60fps w/vsync
  11. WoW Max settings and Max AA - 60fps w/vsync

There are quit a few games I'd like to throw at this machine, but those numbers are quit nice, well rounded, and will have to do for now. And on a final interesting note, my old build with an i7-6700k with a single Fury X obtained a Firestrike score of 13979. This little used build isn't to far behind these numbers.

If there are any other benchmarks anyone might be interested in comment or PM me and I will see what I can do.

Thank you once again for looking at yet another build of mine!

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IlikeTech 3 Builds 4 points 22 months ago

Why? Also is there a bottleneck with that CPU? Also one plus because I'm now hungry.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Why what?

Currently using a 1080p 60hz monitor so locked frames at 60fps. So far Ive played everything at max settings and stayed at consistent 60fps.

Farcry Primal and Witcher 3 both ran on high settings with some AA and ran great. Though I didn't have testing software running to record min/max/Ave. fps. I only got tonplaynPrimal for 15 minutes or so, but Witcher 3 in played for hours and never once felt like the system was lagging.

IlikeTech 3 Builds 0 points 22 months ago

I mean why use a low end cpu with a high end GPU?

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 3 points 22 months ago

Ah, the 1080 was basically free. The original plan was to get a low priced 980. But through a fellow eBay seller I wound up trading parts for a 1080.

IlikeTech 3 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Ah, OK

joshzpants 3 Builds 4 points 22 months ago

I wish everybody would read your description and understand your choice on the i3, because I clearly see where your coming from with your decisions. Nice build +1

fernando551 1 point 22 months ago

All those people just don't understand that he didn't intentionally pair a dual core with hyperthreading in a pc that has a GTX 1080, which he explained that he had a GTX 980 in mind but came across a eager ebay offer for that 1080...smh

TheHostileBanana 1 point 22 months ago

How much did you pay for the 1080?

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

I didn't pay anything for it. Did parts trade for it with a fellow eBay seller.

Matthewtina2015 2 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

what did you trade?

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Server parts mostly. Asrock board with Avoton C2750 Octa-Core, ECC memory, and the PSU that went with it.

Matthewtina2015 2 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

oh

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TearingKiwi 1 point 22 months ago

I am so confused. Why do you have such a low end cpu with such a high end gpu. Especially considering the fact that you have a 6700k.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Sold the 6700k system off shortly after completing.

The build is a continuation of a thread in general. Should answer most of the questions you have.

The plan was for a used 980, but wound up trading parts for a used 1080.

omarshiha -1 points 22 months ago

you can sell both the cpu and the gpu and get an i5 with a 1070 for the same money or even less (the i5 is just $100 more and the 1070 is about $250 less)

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 2 points 22 months ago

Again. I didn't pay for the gpu, and have 0 interest in selling it. And I have 0 interest in anything more than the i3. For what I'm using this machine for the i5 that would give me any benefit would be a huge waste of money. Performance has shown no indication that I need anything more for this build. 60fps @ 1080p 60hz is what I'm gaming at, achieving, and have no desire for anything more. The only i5 that would have any benefit for a rig that's sole purpose is the 6600, and again it would be a total waste of money for my uses. The i3 is a perfect CPU for this build and the 1080 was a fortunate, and unplanned, addition.

omarshiha -1 points 22 months ago

ok no problem i was just telling my opinion :) , btw u can make it 200% resolution scale and play at 2k 60fps instead of 1080p with a gtx 1070 :P , but at all its ur build so ur free to do what u want . Thanks :)

Trav_X 1 point 22 months ago

You can upscale with a 1080 as well. The 1080 does everything a 1070 does but better cause it's around 33% faster.

Jbock 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

Like the small build here and being efficient with $$ - something is off here though... my 1070 with a 6700k can hit 14.5 in firestrike, no overclock at 1440p. Seems like the trade off in CPU is too much - or at least easy to say the 1080 is far from its potential. What resolution were you running?

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Running 1080p 60hz. And yes the 6700k with a 1070 will produce higher scores.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

I do agree hands down the 1080 is far from its potential with the i3.

14.4k is pretty damn good. An old system I had with a 6700k and duel fury x's on firestrike extreme were about that score.

Jbock 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

Well, maybe the next thing to look for a used deal on is the CPU :). Do like the build, though.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Thank you very much, appreciate it.

If the time comes when i feel this system is lagging behind, I'll definitely back to deal hunting!

marland66 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

Love the PC and the way you went and got the parts. I'm also in process of building pc with used parts. Glad to see thats not the wrong choice. Thumbs up!

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Thank you! As long as you're smart about the items you buy, you really can't beat used. Good luck, can't wait ti see your build posted!

tadashi 1 point 22 months ago

Is that your old potato pc in image 13?

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 2 points 22 months ago

Actually it was my old home built bacon cheddar burger PC. Worked great, even water cooled it. Unfortunately it was just tonpowerful and didn't last! Rip

Btw, great name.

thecomgeek 1 Build 1 point 22 months ago

are you booting from the sp900 or the x400

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

sp900 is my boot drive, X400 is storage

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Fergussimo 1 point 21 months ago

I love how efficient you were with this build. I am considering something similar but was thinking i5 6500...though I don't want to over spend on the cpu.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 21 months ago

Hey thank you! Appreciate the comments.

I like the i5 -6500, and you can get them on ebay at great prices. I bet you could find even better deals on the reddit hardware forums.

The one thing that really separated the i3 from the i5 locked CPU's was the ability to overclock it a LOT (I've had my i3-6100 up to 4.7ghz on a sff air cooler!). The 6100 has had so many happy little surprises that when it came down to buy I just couldn't get the i5. But I went into this build knowing I was going to overclock, specially after snagging a z170n board so cheap.

But, if I were to redo this build without OC in mind, I think in the end i would have spent the extra $75 or $100 and picked up a 6500.

Good luck on your build! Hope to see it posted in the completed builds!

Fergussimo 1 point 21 months ago

Thanks for the info. I ended up buying the i5....I don't plan to over clock so I cheaped out on the mb, as itx z170 gets pretty pricey. That did limit my ram, but I think it will be fine. I ended up buying a new case,though I really should have put the money into a better mb, but its a pretty case and I could resist. I should have all the parts this weekend to build!

zopanta 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Nice build,

Ever considered Ml08 (because it has a handle), and do you suggest a node 202, build i5-6500 and rx 470(blower style) . I really like ml08 but in this country, it is +40$ more expensive than node 202

And last question how does stock psu fare since. Do you recommend it? Will be my first build for 1080p gaming by the way.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 2 points 20 months ago

I did consider the ml108, actually for a very long time. It is a very good case that has a dedicated following and is backed by a company that's been in the htpc segment for 20+ years. For me It came down to this: what storage was I going to use and how much. That's really the only difference between the two cases; hard drive space.

My wife and I already have a pretty robust NAS for our family so storage space isn't an issue. I even run some games straight from the NAS. Because of this, type of storage was an easy decision. M.2 for os and ssd for fast access programs. I had no need for a standard hdd and because of this i went with the node 202.

The node 202 is a wonderful case. With the addition of a couple systems fans the whole system stays relatively cool and pretty damn silent. It has its draw backs though.

  1. I already mentioned it, but it's worth mentioning again. It only has room for two ssds unless you get super super creative. There is no room for a standard size hdd.

  2. The psu that you can get with it is a decent little psu. It runs a super overclocked i3 6100 and a gtx 1080 without any issues (barely hit 300w at the wall). The one draw back is it only has two sata power connections and they are pretty short cables. I had 0 issue with this, but it's worth mentioning. The ONLY reason I would get a separate psu is to go modular.

  3. Space is very tight. You need to plan your cable management well ahead of putting in components. I ran into a couple of instances where I had to keep pulling the gpu out to access the area underneath to reroute cables.

  4. The case is sectioned into 3 parts. The cover, the base, and what I'll call the component storage module. The cover is super easy to remove, but the base is connected to the component storage module with plastic clips on all four sides. They are pretty strong, but you really have to pay attention when putting it back on. And it does take a little bit of force to clear the clips from the component storage module. I always think I'm going to break one but it hasn't happened after 15 or 16 times of removing it.

Other than those 4 items I found the node 202 to be a spectacular case. I love it so much I'm going to transplant my wife's two computers into node 202 builds. Actually I might do one in a node 202 and one in the ml108.

Your system components for 1080p gameing look just fine. The 6500 is a good chip. Actually my favorite in the i5 range simply due to its excellent price to performance. The RX 470 is also a decent gpu, but keep the RX 480 4gb card in mind when looking at prices. You won't need 8gb of video ram for 1080p, or for most 1440p gaming. The price between the 480 4gb card and the 470 are almost identical. The 480 4gb card also has the huge bonus of being able to overclock the memory to match the speed of its bigger brother without any negative effects. And once you do you have the exact same performance as the more expensive card. That's a pretty awesome bonus for such decently priced card.

Good luck with your build. Make sure to post your build when your done, I very much look forward to seeing another compact mitx system in the completed builds!

zopanta 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Thank you very much for the review of Node 202, and good advice.

I finally ordered Node 202 case and looking for a rx480 4gb. Will post my build soon. I hope.

Gooberdad 8 Builds 1 point 20 months ago

I missed this one. Very cool build. Great job on acquiring all the parts. Holy cow. I had no idea the 6100 could overclock that well.

Thumbs up.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 20 months ago

Hey huge thanks! I'm pretty happy with this little CPU, most fun I've had OCing a chip in a very long time. Actually this whole build has been one of the funnest builds I've ever done. I constantly tinker with it.

Gooberdad 8 Builds 1 point 20 months ago

This makes me want to change up my "ideal" build.

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 20 months ago

Nice, what do you have in mind?

Gooberdad 8 Builds 1 point 20 months ago

Changing this

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Gooberdad/saved/78hbt6

Have a couple of the parts already

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 20 months ago

The Z170N-wifi board has really surprised me on how good it is. I have my complaints, but over all it's been a great little board.

Dio7Brando77 1 point 18 months ago

Nice build man thinking of doing something similar :)

Just wondering with the two fans so close to the gpu, did that cause any problems?

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 18 months ago

I did have to put a spacer bottom middle of the two fans to keep the gpu off the cards when laying flat, but it was more a saftey precaution. The additional fans have helped keep the temps under control. Without the fans the card was well on its way to 100c temps. With the fans temps stay around 75c. Made a world of difference.

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Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 16 months ago

hey, thanks for the comment!

I actually wound up flipping both fans around and letting bios to control fan speed based on gpu temps. With fans as exhaust, and with ambient room temp around 24c the video card would rise to 94c and thermal throttle under full load within a few minutes under any kind of load.

Temps faired a little better with one ram exhaust and one intake (didn't matter which was which). But once I made them both intakes, temps held steady around 84c under heavy use, even allowed the card precision boost to 1928mhz and maintain 84c.

I've since moved to an i7-7700k and to be honest I'm having a much harder time keeping CPU temps low vs gpu temps. I've tried out 5 different low profile high tdp coolers so far. Temps stay under thermal throttle temps, but they are noisy!!!

Good luck and feel free to ask me anything that might come to mind. I've spent a lot of time with this case and love it!

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Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 16 months ago

Good luck with th L9i. Out of all the coolers I tried, it was by far the quietest. As far as cooling though, it did the poorest in my tests. But non of the low profile coolers I've used did all that well to begin with. CPU temps, with the 7700k, have ranged from 80c to 100c between the four coolers. But I also work in a pretty warm room with little outside airflow. And I could also have a poor quality CPU. I've done 0 overclocking. The 7700 is a great chip and offers a slightly lower TDP so the L9i should do a more reasonable job with it over the 7700k. And you seriously can't beat the. Pose level factor.

For a little bit I did have the Cryorig C7 set up with the fan removed. In its place I sat a cooler master sp120 fan and that did a pretty decent job. Temps hit 78c to 80c under heavy stress testing and around. 77c to 79c for real world heavy use. The cool thing about this setup is there was just enough room that the node 202 case top held the 120mm fan in place.

popcornpc 0 points 22 months ago

I like this PC, I really do, but the CPU man, really worth spending more money on something like a high-end i5 or even i7

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 2 points 22 months ago

In a lot of ways I agree with that. But this system will only ever see gaming at 1080p 60hz, and in the end a top end cpu would just go to waste. I doubt this system will see a whole lot of anything other than gaming. It won't see any heavy taxation on cpu usage that would require a higher end cpu.

The real goal of this system was to build something completely outnofnit parts and torture test it for reliability. I included a link to that post. So far, for under $500, this little system has been utterly amazing. And that little i3 has been astonishing.

omarshiha 0 points 22 months ago

i think you should have got an i5 skylake with a gtx 1070 , so you balance the cpu/gpu performance and avoid any bottlenecks

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

The 1080 was free an was never the intended card for this build. The build was always destined for an i3 with a used midrange gpu. That's all in my description.

gamingnoah 2 Builds 0 points 22 months ago

Awesome build, and haters gonna hate ;)

Are there any plans of upgrading the cpu?

Wolfemane submitter 7 Builds 1 point 22 months ago

Thank you, I'm pretty happy with the way this rig turned out. Small, totally affordable, powerful, and pretty much quiet as a mouse. And affordable, did I say that already?

As for the CPU... probably not. @ $80 the i3 was a steal. The rig won't see anything more than gaming. The next step up would just be a complete waste of money. IF.. and its a huge IF... I DO decide to go 1440p and start doing actual work on it then I MIGHT consider upgrading. But even the most intense games (Farcry Primal, Witcher 3...) are running at max settings and are keeping vsync at 60fps. I do 0 multi tasking on this box, so whats the point in upgrading? I'd have to get a 6600 to really see any difference, and it wouldn't be much.

Though, as soon as I get a decent cooler for this (or just break down and custom water cool it... somehow) I might go forward with non-k overclocking. I have the correct BIOS up and running, got the ddr4-3200 working, and have max rated the PSU at under 300w leaving me about 100w to play with. If I can cool the cpu properly I could probably get it to 4.5ghz. Maybe even higher if temps/power stay reasonable. At that speed there wouldn't be any need for anything more for gaming.

Anyways, thanks for liking the rig!!