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PC MustardFace (Kaby Lake non-K build)

by claudiuskt

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Details

Date Published

Jan. 20, 2017

Date Built

Jan. 19, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

3.50GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

35.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

65.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

2.07GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

8GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

35.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

69.0° C

Description

Disclaimer: Price listed is in SGD.

Decided to custom build my own PC. Nothing too-over-the-top, but certainly a considerable amount of time is invested in researching forums and reddit posts. Saving costs in some parts and pushes for better parts where it matters. Hoping it would be future proof for AT LEAST 10 5 years down the road.

13/06/17 UPDATE: MONITOR - I caved and bought myself S2716DG from Dell. 1440p, 144Hz, G-SYNC. Nothing to be complained about honestly given its price/performance ratio. Images are sharp, movements are buttery smooth. One of the best decision I have ever made, knowing that I had a GTX1070 that was under-utilised.

CPU: Initially my initial plan was to go with i5-6600, since I was not going to overclock anyway. But damn, when Kaby Lake came out, I can't help myself but to get 7600 instead. I know what you guys are thinking: the increase in performance is not worth it blah blah. I saw a few reddit posts complaining the insignificant increase in performance so it is not worth it to upgrade provided you already have i5-6600 and is thinking of upgrading to 7600. In my case, building a new system would of course make more sense if I choose 7600 instead of 6600.

MOBO: Similar to CPU's reason, initially I wanted to go with H170 to pair with i5-6600. Because of Kaby Lake, I chose its 200 counterparts (H270). However further research prompted me to be satisfied with just B250 MOBO. I went for MSI B250 Gaming Pro Carbon because of aesthetics, really. -as of the time of this entry, MSI B250 Gaming Pro Carbon is not yet found in the parts list, so the closest I can find is the H270 counterpart of it-

CPU Cooler: Again, some controversy arose here when I was discussing my PC parts with a group of friends. Why the f__ would I need an aftermarket cooler for a non-overclock-able CPU, right? Well, for one, there had been rumours (yeah I know) that Kaby Lake CPUs are generally hotter in comparison with their Skylake counterparts. Decided not to take my chances and went along with this cooler. M9i has generally been praised for its performance/price ratio since it is one of the cheaper aftermarket CPU air cooler in the market. Besides, who prefers a stock cooler over this smexy blower?

RAM: Wanted to go with 2x8GB kit at first, but decided to drop it to 2x4GB to bring down prices a considerable bit. Since I figured most AAA games these days pushes about 5-6GB RAM during gameplay, I don't really see a solid reason for going with 16GB of RAM. Also, I can always add more RAM sticks in the future should the need arises.

SSD: Didn't jump into the hypetrain of getting 860 Series or the PRO series, as 850 EVO still seems to be the go-to SSD by majority of PC builders. Went with 250GB as I will only be using my SSD for Windows OS (duh) and a few games to quicken up the loading time.

HDD: Same reason as SSD choice. WD Caviar Blue 7200rpm 1TB, 'nuff said. Similar argument with RAM choice, add-on in the future is always a possibility.

GPU: Dear God, this part took me the longest to decide. There aren't many choices, but small details such as aesthetics (I wanted RGB from the start) and memory/core clocks were factored in. Was going to go with ASUS GTX1070 Strix OC but damn the price premium over this card is just ridiculous for me. Figured that Palit GTX1070 SJS had amongst the highest GPU Clock Rate compared to other aftermarket GTX1070. With many good reviews from its owners and great performance/price ratio, I went along with Palit instead. It is not the best-looking GPU per se, but I got the RGB that I wanted, which is nice.

PSU: Was considering between this and Corsair RMx 650W. Went with TT Toughpower 750W instead because I figured it is 30 SGD cheaper compared to Corsair's and has 100W more power capacity (which I currently don't need, I know) with similar performance for both PSUs.

Case: Fell in love with both P400S and NZXT S340 after seeing their reviews on YouTube by HardwareCanucks. Heard rumours that the Tempered Glass edition for P400 is coming up as a response for NZXT's S340 Elite. Waited for 3 months to build my PC for it. So worth the wait.

Went with Thermaltake Riing Green to match the colour scheme that I had in mind for the case. Silent and performing well, there is really nothing to complain about these fans. Well, if I am to be really petty about it, the sticker in the center of the fan blade is kinda off-looking and better off peeled-off in my opinion.

The only thing that irks me is that the front panel can only accommodate to two 120mm fans instead of three as stated here by Phanteks. Had to return the extra fan that I purchased. (EDIT: the case will only fit 2 fans if the PSU shroud panel is not removed. It will fit 3 fans if the panel is removed)

Cable management was kind of easy, although I did not exactly do a stellar job at it either.

Keyboard+Mouse: Well, before you mechanical-keyboard-diehard-fans stoned me to death, let me just say that I was never a fan of mechanical keyboards. Tried Cherry MX Red (because it is supposed to be quieter than Blue, which is a big plus for me) keyboard previously and I didn't like it. Wanted RGB anyway because I am superficial and decided to jump on this one when it was on sale on Amazon.

PCMark 8 Basic Edition Score: 5152

Time Spy 1.0 Score: 5701

3D Mark 11 Performance 1.0 Score: P17111

Fire Strike 1.1 Score: 14387

FurMark v1.18.2.0 Score: 6174

Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0 Score in 1080p: 3895

Unigine Valley Benchmark 4.0 Score in 1080p: 3558

Unigine Valley Benchmark 4.0 Score in 1440p: 2624

Feel free to comment, bash, anything. I'll take them with a bucket-full pinch of salt anyway.

Part Reviews

CPU

Does its job, marginally faster than its predecessor (6600). Personally, unless you are building a totally new system, I would suggest waiting for the next intel processors in the future.

CPU Cooler

This cpu fan does an amazing job for its size. Pretty quiet even under load.

Memory

RAM is RAM. It all boils down to personal preference when it comes to RAM (colour schemes, aesthetics, brand loyalty, etc) as there is no distinct difference between RAMs of the same specifications.

Storage

Would recommend this for everyday gaming build, as there is no need to go for 860 series and/or PRO-Series. Price/performance ratio is good and is well-known for its reliability.

Storage

No problem so far with WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm. This thing runs fast as does its job and still the most go-to brand for HDDs.

Video Card

I swear this brick could kill a small animal if thrown directly at it. Its size is HUGE compared to other aftermarket GPUs, which may contribute to its lower temperature under load due to a larger heatsink. Runs pretty quiet running AAA titles and has a nice RGB feature which is a steal for its price range.

Case

Ain't this case a beauty to behold. The tempered glass is simply stunning and the short RGB strip included is a nice bonus. For those looking for simplicity and clean-looking case, I would definitely recommend this case.

Cable management was super easy with a lot of room to work with. Airflow could be improved though, as the front panel has relatively small intake from top and bottom openings only. Stock fans that came with it are pretty quiet and do their jobs well.

Power Supply

Runs pretty quiet with good Japanese capacitors and components inside. Semi-modular but with flat cables and zip-ties for easier cable management.

Case Fan

The LEDs are arranged uniquely and beautifully placed in a circle, which beautifies the case with a colour scheme. Unlike many other case fans with LEDs, the LED lights on this one is not too bright, which is usually a minor problem for some (too bright for sleeping etc).

Runs pretty quiet and moves considerable amount of air as a static pressure fan. Would definitely recommend it.

Keyboard

This is NOT a mechanical keyboard if anyone is wondering. CM coined the term "mem-chanical" as it is a hybrid between mechanical and membrane switches. The switches feel like membrane switches, but with a little tactile bump feel every press. Honestly it feels closest to brown switches if I have to benchmark it with a mechanical switch.

The keyboard works beautifully and has a solid build, with multiple modes of RGB lights that can be set manually on the keyboard (no software needed to do it for this keyboard).

Mouse feels cheap at first impression, but it proves to be sufficient for normal use. RGB lighting seems too bright at night, which is the reason I turn it off for daily use.

Comments Sorted by:

twistanesh 3 Builds 2 points 21 months ago

wow very impressed with the p400 tempered glass. I did not know that it was available yet! Kinda makes me wish I had waited. VERY COOL!

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

IKR. Waited for this for 2 months before pulling the trigger. Anyway thanks!

jtrier1 1 point 19 months ago

Does this case come with the fan hub? I know the P400S does, but not sure about this one.

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 19 months ago

By fan hub you were referring to the button on the front panel that is able to adjust the fanspeed?

If yes, unfortunately it does not have one, which is kind of a bummer. As such, I would suggest getting a very silent case fan if you decide to get P400 (not P400S) as the fan will be spinning in full power all the time.

bals2oo8 1 point 16 months ago

What model are the fans that are included? I have some Cryorig PWM fans that I planned to use in place of these if they are equal or better since the non-S version doesn't have fan speed adjustments, but I don't know exactly what fans are used to compare

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 16 months ago

I am not entirely sure, but it looks like the stock fans included are the closest to PH-F120MP (the stock fans being its non-PWM variant). Can't vouch which one is 'better' per se either: are you looking for performance-wise or noise-wise?

Phanteks fan being a 'stock' fan, I would assume that Cryorig's is better. Having said so, the difference would probably be marginal. If you have one already, I don't see a reason why you would a stock fan instead (other than aesthetics maybe?).

Hope this helps!

esk02k 2 Builds 2 points 21 months ago

Good job, like the green, it looks tasteful and not overdone. The case is bloody majestic. I'm my eyes it puts that boxy s340 to shame. I've got a phantom 410 but I might sell it or something to get my hands on that case.. God damn I need it!

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 2 points 21 months ago

Thank you for the kind words man! Honestly it was kinda hard for me choosing between this and S340 Elite. Price premium of S340 affirmed my choice.

Been always in love with side windowed case. When this came out with a tempered glass version, I just couldn't resist.

Let me know on which you decide on in the end!

esk02k 2 Builds 1 point 21 months ago

Will do man, got some upgrades planned in the near future. The carbide 400c was also a contender but I think its a bit too small and after seeing your build my mind is firmly made up. Good choice :)

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

Ah. The good old 400C carbide series from Corsair. Beware though, the window panel is extremely prone to scratch, which is a shame considering its "sideway-opening" concept that is kinda attractive and neat.

Glad I could make your mind up then! You won't regret it!

AyeGee 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

Just curious, you said that you could not fit a third 120mm fan in the front... were you trying to put the fans on the outside between the frame and the front cover? If you remove the panel inside the case that is attached to the shroud, you should be able to fit the fan then. I have this exact case as well that I am currently building in.

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

Ah. Was actually referring to inability to fit 3x 120mm fan without removing the bottom panel.

Well, I think it can be attributed to both Phanteks website for not specifying this, and myself for not being discerning enough. -chuckles nervously-

Alex1214 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

Nice build! I have the same case in white it's a great case to work with. Feel free to check my out my build.

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 2 points 21 months ago

checked out. very clean build!

Qutin 1 point 21 months ago

Hey nice build. I will get the same case and wanted to put a be quiet Dark Rock 3 cpu cooler, but the clearence for this case is 160mm and the Dark Rock 3 is also 160mm. maybe you could mesure it for me and say what you got on space? thx

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

I believe cpu cooler with height dimension of 160mm should be fine as I remember seeing someone put Cryorig H5 Ultimate cpu cooler (height clearance 160mm according to the site) in P400 case (although not the tempered glass edition, but has the same clearance of 160mm for cpu cooler). Just to make sure, I'll measure it for you once I get back home and let you know again.

Qutin 1 point 21 months ago

thank you, that would be nice. I looked a bit on the Internet some say it fits some say it dont, although most is not about the tempered glass edition i saw one coment where somebody sayed about the TG edition it is to small for few mm.

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

I checked with a ruler so it may not be very accurate, but the clearance from the mobo surface to the inner surface of tempered glass should be about 167mm. Taking into account the cpu socket + the cpu, leaves us with about 162mm give or take? Pretty tight for a 160mm tall cpu cooler, if you ask me. Personally I would find another cooler, but the choice is yours.

Qutin 1 point 21 months ago

Yes i see your point here, i will do that. Thank you for your effort anyway

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

no problem. goodluck for your build!

Sido 1 point 21 months ago

Such an awesome case. Understated and classy with more features than you think. Everything looks great!

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 2 points 21 months ago

Indeed. Personally I feel that this case comes tied when compared to NZXT S340 Elite, yet severely under-recognized. Maybe attributed to its unavailability in some countries yet though. But thanks! Appreciate the compliment.

NiTro_TN 1 point 21 months ago

Do the lights in the case always stay green, or can you change that?

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 21 months ago

It is changeable to other colors as well. It basically follows the color and mode of case lights (the one underneath the case front panel). AFAIK the modes are either static, breathing, or color cycles (akin to breathing but changing colors).

iUnhinged 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

would you recommend this case over the S340 Elite

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Both cases are almost the same, really.

The differences that I can think of:

-The front I/O (S340 Elite has 2 more USB 2.0 and 1 HDMI ports)

-S340 Elite that might be able to mount top radiator as it is taller than P400 (which is infamous for not having enough clearance for top radiator)

-S340 Elite comes with a headphone hook that can be magnetically attached to its front panel

-Price premium of 10$ compared to P400 TG

I personally went for P400 because in my country, Singapore, the price difference is huge. Those differences in feature are not enough to convince me to get S340. Furthermore, I prefer P400's physical shape compared to boxy S340's.

iUnhinged 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Thank You!

Acekiller4151 1 point 20 months ago

Hey I love the case but I really want to know if it would fit an msi gtx 1070 I had to mess with my old case and I would hate to mess with the tempered glass how much room do you have between the glass and the power plug on your graphics card ?? It would be a huge help thanks !!

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Could you specify which model of MSI GTX 1070 are you referring to?

If I understand you correctly, are you referring to the clearance between the 6/8-pin power cable connected to the GPU and the tempered glass?

Awesome_Sauce_64 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Hey, got to say, that is one super sexy outfit you built there! I was wondering, how good are the case fans? Would you recommend a person buying extra couple fans right off the kick or can you make do?

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 2 points 20 months ago

To be honest, your username shocked me as it is similar to one of a Youtuber that used to have that youtube name.

But yeah to answer your question, case fans are pretty quiet but whether it is enough or not really depends on your build. What processors are you using? What kind of GPU? Are you overclocking? It also depends on the ambient temperature of your living place (tropical countries tend to be more humid and warmer).

Generally, I would still recommend adding additional fans for any decent build considering aesthetics and additional cooling potential for an inexpensive premium. I agree though, that it is not absolutely necessary.

Awesome_Sauce_64 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Ha, that's right, I wasn't aware of that when creating this account. Well unfortunately I'm not a famous youtuber, you probably figured that out already.

I plan on building an AMD Ryzen build with their R 1700 paired with a blower style gtx 1060 gpu, for price and to deal with its heat. Overclocking is a solid maybe, if I do, it probably wont be much. Also I live in southern Saskatchewan, Canada, during winter the house stays at a solid 22°c hot and changes to 24°c cool in summer.

Thanks for the reply! I think I'm going to stick with the case fans for the very beginning. I'll definitely upgrade in the future. I typed all that stuff down in case you'd recommend case fans right away. Again thanks for the reply!

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 2 points 20 months ago

Oh man how I envy the cooler weather there.

AMD Ryzen! It might come with a pretty cool stock cooler that has RGB (I know right!) but nothing is really confirmed yet.

Anyways, goodluck for your build! Do submit and post them in PCPP once you are done :D

Awesome_Sauce_64 1 Build 2 points 20 months ago

Haha, well the temperatures here can get a little bit too cold but that's for me. A quick last minute decision made me order the 1700X instead I was wanting a good balance between gaming and video editing and sadly it doesn't come with a cooler. I will for sure submit and post some pics, once I figure it out. Thanks! Hopefully it goes smoothly, thanks for the information!

Awesome_Sauce_64 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Hey its been a while but i finally posted my computer onto pcpp go and check it out if you'd like! Of course in the time the plans have changed a bit haha

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 2 points 9 months ago

Checked and commented! :)

Paolinus 1 point 17 months ago

Hey man I love this build ! Plus the review is so precise and all around complete :D +1

Do you play Battlefield 1 ? With that graphics card i assume you'll play at ultra settings. If you do, would you mind sharing some FPS numbers here ? ^^ I'm planning on buying a pc to play BF1 at 144Hz with maybe a 1070 if it's sufficient. Originally i wanted to pair it with a 7500 but it's just below the 144 PFS mark. So this info would greatly help me on weither to purchase the 7600 or a better GPU !

Anyway, i'm looking forward to your answer and have a nice day ! :)

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 16 months ago

Hey man sorry for the late reply life sort of caught up with me.

I don't play BF1 unfortunately but I am sure it is pretty easy to find review online which answers your question (what's the FPS count playing BF1 on ultra with 1070). CPU-wise, it will not affect game performance that much, especially jumping from 7500 to 7600.

Hope it helps!

Paolinus 2 points 16 months ago

Sure did. Like you said, many benchmarks i found online were saying the same as you : the difference between a 7500 or 7600 isnt big at all. Thank you very much for the reply, appreciated !

I hope everything goes well for you man, have a nice day and enjoy your life :)

awesome71112 1 point 15 months ago

Does the MOBO have wifi

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

Unfortunately it does not.

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claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

There isn't enough space for 3 fans if I never take away the PSU shroud panel. I realised this when replying to another comment. There is actually enough slots to fit 3 fans in the case technically speaking.

niinq 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

curious, do you think a thin (30mm) 360mm radiator would fit in the front?

claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Definitely, provided that you removed the middle plate on the PSU shroud before installing the radiator.

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claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

240mm rad and one 120mm fan yes, technically.

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claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

The tempered glass is lightly tinted.

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claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

As stated in the build description, the MSI B250M Gaming Pro that I have chosen in my parts list is actually in place of MSI B250 Gaming Pro Carbon (that I actually used in my build) that I could not find in PCP even until this time of writing.

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claudiuskt submitter 1 Build 3 points 21 months ago

Pee..See..Mushhh..Turdddd...FACE!!!!

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silly_rabbit 1 point 21 months ago

This comment just made my night.