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Complete novice build. Built in Sept. 2013 with limited knowledge of parts. Youtube was my classroom. I just kinda winged it buying parts although I knew enough to match processor, motherboard and ram. Always wanted to try a build so here is my first attempt. After screwing parts in and out a few times trying to get a feel for this it was quite enjoyable. Mounting the water cooler was a bit tough though. I bought parts from Newegg but had to RMA them for various reasons. Then settled on Micro Center. Running the cables/wiring was a bit of a challenge also. I don't know if this rig is running a little hot idling at 40c. I have the radiator pulling in, front fan pulling in and two top mounted fans pushing out the top. It never crashed even after one hour at full load. Please feel free to comment and offer opinions.

Comments

  • 70 months ago
  • 6 points

Ok...

1) You're running an APU (integrated graphics) with a traditional graphics card. Why?

2) Your case has great options for cable management behind the mobo tray, why aren't you using it?

3) 40 degrees is high for liquid cooling, that liquid solutions comes with 2 fans for a reason, put that in a push/pull config! May have to reapply your thermal paste too.

4) Seriously though, why an APU and an outdated graphics card?

5) A $65 CD/DVD writer?

6) Only a 500w PSU. Fine for what you have, but if you want any scalability, I'd get a new one.

Just my thoughts... Not trying to be rough, but you really needed to do some research before just buying parts. We have a great community here that could have helped you out.

  • 70 months ago
  • 5 points

The 6670 works perfectly good with the AMD A10-6800K (I think it's the only discrete card that can work with it, if I remember right..), and the PSU is enough for his current build. Other than that, I agree with everything you said.

  • 70 months ago
  • 5 points

Not too many builds need more than a 500w psu.

  • 70 months ago
  • 3 points

The 6670 GPU actually works in a hybrid crossfire with the integrated graphics on the CPU.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

Finnaly. someone who has half a smart in them. I believe this was too much $ for this build, but it is an ok build with some thought in it.

  • 70 months ago
  • 0 points

Also, push/pull offers no real advantage, it's best to keep it in pull config, it also makes it easier to clean later.

  • 70 months ago
  • 0 points

Huh. You're joking right?

  • 69 months ago
  • 1 point

No. Show me proof that it does. Linus from LinusTechTips himself has said it offers no advantage and recommends to use a pull config.

  • 70 months ago
  • 3 points

I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, but I do want to let you know that I appreciate your humility and willingness to learn. The ability to take constructive criticism (especially on an online forum) is rare. Props on your eagerness to learn from the process! Hope you enjoy your build.

  • 70 months ago
  • 2 points

This is pretty good for a first build. One thing though, your CPU temps are off the hooks! (Specially that you're using Liquid Cooling)

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

More like liquid cooking!!!!!

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

This bothered me from the start. After reading a lot of opinions I need to change up something to see if this temp. will go down.Thanks.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

Like I said crazy build. Complete novice.wanted to start somewhere.On the processor box it said it can run dual graphics hence the card. outdated card thank you i had no idea.Throwing money away maybe.I have to work on cable management.i had trouble using both fans that came with the cooler the fan closer to the processor was hitting something. An APU and a outdated card, ouch! bad gamble with money on my part.thank you for your opinion I needed someone to critique this build for future builds. Intel next.

  • 70 months ago
  • -2 points

I'm an ex-Intel i7 owner. Go with AMD FX-8350, it beats a $1000 Intel at only $184.67 from Amazon (19% Off).

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

That is completely false. An fx-8350 compared to a i5 4670k, the fx-8350 is only 2% better in multi-threaded applications, 10% better in memory intensive applications, but some of the draw backs are 41w more power it consumes creating more heat, the fact that getting it means you'll be cutting your graphics performance by almost 55%, and in my eyes makes spending the extra $47 a much better choice for future proof upgrading. An i5 4670k is 53% faster in single-threaded applications, and it has an extremely noticeable edge in Graphics performance. Not to mention the 41w less power consumption with less heat generated. The only bad part is the extra $47 you'll be paying, but it's well worth it to spend the extra money for the long-term benefits.

  • 70 months ago
  • -1 points

That is completely false. You do know that benchmarks differ from real-life performance, right? I'll assume you copied these benchmarks off CPUBoss, a site that is biased in all their reviews. But cutting the graphical performance by 55%? I hope you're joking..

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

FX-8350 is rated in the i5 range on many sites and even some a little below. And in my opinion barely beats anything in the i5 range unless your using programs that need more then 4 cores. AMD is more toward business/CAD/Rendering related programs anyways that actually NEED 8 cores. Intel has always been more gaming/graphics heavy. Honestly I think Sony and Microsoft made bad investments putting AMD in their systems. Hear about all the graphics issues with those two consoles? Because AMD isn't meant to really run graphics heavy applications. Point proven.

  • 70 months ago
  • 0 points

Consoles do not have any graphical issues. The only bad thing about Consoles is their compression, optimization, and FPS caps, which are completely normal since they need to make it as cheap as possible (For the regular gamers). I don't understand how AMD isn't meant to run heavy graphical applications.. AMD has always been the dominant when it comes to the most powerful cards at the best prices. Now back to your point that says the i5 is in the same range as the FX-8350, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

You should have gotten a $30 air cooler and either no cd/dvd drive or a $15 one so you'd have an extra $100 to spend on a better graphics card.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

I have a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan that I originally bought for this build. Would you swap out the water cooler for this cooler or just re-paste and reposition and use both fans on the water cooler?

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

As another novice, I like! I assume you're running dual graphics with the APU and GPU combo? The only thing that really baffles me is the money you dropped on the optical drive, like I guess you really wanted that Blu Ray reader/writer, but there's much cheaper options that have those features. That said, you'll never have to buy another so long as that one keeps working, it's a great investment in future builds.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

Yes I am running dual graphics. But being so new to this field my choices are all over the place. To be honest i didn't know what to buy so with the money i had i just picked some parts out. i know i could have went with a $ 20 DVD drive but that's no fun. LOL. As unconventional as this sounds with so many options and opinions I just bought some parts and put this rig together.also i neither game or use any intensive software. call me crazy but i had no plan in place. i just wanted to build a computer.Now with people critiquing this build i am getting a better understanding of this process.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

That doesn't sound unconventional at all for a first build, especially if you're not a gamer (I am, so I'm seriously into graphics). And now you've got a finished build that looks nice and works well (aside from the heat, I guess, which I don't know enough about to critique), and you're learning as you go. I hope I do as well with my first build from scratch.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

Seeing a lot of poor decisions were made.

  • APU with a discrete graphics card.
  • Very outdated graphics card at that.
  • Could've gone with 2TB HDD at that price easily.
  • Sloppy, if not at all attempted, cable management.

Being a beginner doesn't excuse your waste of money. There are endless resources to help you choose.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

Understood and Thank you.

  • 70 months ago
  • 1 point

I sure like to know what to do with this rig now. Any suggestions?

  • 70 months ago
  • 2 points

Well, the two major things to swap out (when possible) are the CPU and the graphics card, they're bottlenecking this build for sure. And you'll have to get a new Mobo to work with the new CPU. Apart from that, a nicer PSU could be good but for now it's not necessary

Man, it really is a shame you went with an APU...the other "bad parts" were obviously a result of choosing that...the A-10 isn't bad but if you got a dedicated CPU (like an FX-6300 or FX-8320) and a newer graphics card (Radeon HD 7850/50 or GTX 650 Ti/660 or above) it would make this build much better.

The other parts you have will work just fine. They're unbalanced (in their price) for the build, but they're not bad parts.

It really depends on what you want to do. It will work fine for you now, but in this configuration it'll get outdated very quickly.

  • 70 months ago
  • 2 points

Thanks hard to hear but honest.