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wAFFLES Rig

by wAFFLES2310

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Details

Date Published

May 22, 2017

Date Built

May 22, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

3.8 GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

34.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

67.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.594 GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

11.01 GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

39.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

70.0° C

Description

The pictures get better near the end, I promise.

First build I've done, though I spent a good deal of time doing all the research for it. I aimed for the best all-around gaming performance, I play newer AAA titles as well as competitive FPS games, so I need speed and quality where they count. The R5 1600X doesn't significantly bottleneck the 1080 Ti as far as I can tell, and the added multitasking was worthwhile for me to invest in. The only part that gave me trouble was the motherboard, AURA SYNC software would not and still does not launch on my system. Seeing as nothing in my rig is SYNC compatible anyway, I didn't attempt to fix it.

Ryzen was still a new platform when I built this, and the hardest part was waiting for the bracket to use the CRYORIG cooler with the AM4 socket. Since it took a solid month for that piece to come in, I found a be quiet! Pure Rock cooler locally, and it served fairly well. The CRYORIG H5 was definitely worth purchasing though, and temps are never an issue.

Assembly was quick and easy, nothing was broken or dead-on-arrival and all the pieces clicked together smoothly. I do think the Phanteks Eclipse has less than optimal air flow, though it does keep the system noticeably quieter than open air. I did get fairly poor thermals with all the dust filters in place, so I took those two small ones on the front panel out, and used the two larger ones meant for the top exhaust on the front intakes (check pictures).

I did one thing to solve the GPU sag that, in my opinion, was very clever. I took one of the PCIe slot covers that I removed and bent it into a support pillar, then used one of the thumb screws to hold it in place in the grill on the PSU shroud. It solves the problem of GPU sag perfectly, and it matches the case aesthetic by default.

Even though the 1600X is supposed to be a binned chip, I find that anything over 3.8GHz adds instability for me and causes system crashes. It could be a lack of prowess with overclocking, or it could be bad voltage settings. I may have been better off with an R7 1700, and I may plan an upgrade someday.

Instability also appears when I clock the RAM past 2933MHz, so that's where that sits as well. I think I got poor luck when it comes to that hardware, but I have no issues with gaming or anything else I do, so I'm still happy as can be with my build.

-Last Updated November 2018

Part Reviews

CPU

Chose this over a comparable Intel i5 because I had hopes of streaming someday, I like multitasking, and as an engineering student, the multi threaded performance can come in handy for simulations.

I haven't been able to push my chip past 3.8GHz without getting random crashes here and there while gaming. I suppose I just lost the lottery? At 3.8GHz, though, the chip is stable, runs fairly cool as far as I know, and does everything I need it to flawlessly.

CPU Cooler

Looks great, performs great. It took a solid 30 days to get my AM4 bracket for the cooler, but now that I've installed it everything's perfect for me.

The AM4 bracket did NOT slot onto the standoffs smoothly, either a result of burrs on the drilled holes or just weird threads, but once it was on, it was snug and didn't shift around. CRYORIG uses two screws to tighten down the heatsink, and rather than reach around the fins, you use a really long screwdriver and go right through the middle. They provide that screwdriver, at least, and they also designed it to be very hard to overtighten the screws, since you have no way to see what you're doing.

For the most part though, if you follow the instructions, it should be impossible to mess up the installation. CRYORIG's included thermal paste also performs admirably.

Motherboard

No issues as far as putting the build together goes. Plenty of IO for my needs, plenty of ports on the mobo, padded IO shield, good color scheme on the board itself, and a neat little RGB stripe running along the audio components on the left. UEFI is straightforward, pretty, and fairly easy to navigate after a few minutes. ASUS makes updating the UEFI fairly easy, I had no issues getting up to date there.

I tried installing the AURA SYNC software, and it crashed on launch every time. No clue what happened there, but seeing as nothing is SYNC compatible in my build anyway, why bother.

I do wish the IO shield had some more style to it, the outside is simply plain silver. Nothing really wrong with that though.

Memory

I originally planned on the plain black Vengeance memory that Corsair sells at the same speeds to save a few dollars, but the temptation was too great and it was on sale at the time. Overclocked it to 2933MHz at 1.375V like everyone else with a Ryzen chip seems able to achieve. Anything beyond that, and I seem to get random crashes while playing games.

Storage

Amazing improvement over my old laptop's single platter drive. I boot in less than 10 seconds. HwiNFO64 reports temps of 36-37C at pretty much all times, and being located above the GPU on the motherboard, I will be keeping a close eye on these temps for issues under loads. Otherwise, well worth the purchase.

Storage

I know, I should've gone at least 2TB. I have another drive bay, I may choose to add one in the future. For now, it performs perfectly for storing games and recorded footage from said games. And I'm not worried about running out of space anytime soon.

Video Card

Using it to drive a 1440p 144Hz monitor, for FPS games and for AAA titles. Eats up anything I throw at it. PUBG can run 60FPS at max settings, though I play lower settings to reach past ~110FPS for smoother play. Killing Floor 2 runs at 150 FPS at near max settings, with Flex physics (guts and gore) turned off.

Doesn't get absurdly hot either, though I have an aggressive fan curve to keep it as cool as possible. I've peaked around 70C in my setup, where the fans start running 100 percent. The noise is noticable, but I have good headphones and a thick case, so I put up with it for the performance.

I've tinkered with GIGABYTE's AORUS software, mostly to control the RGB logo. I use Afterburner for everything else. AORUS is a little buggy and hard to use, but otherwise acceptable if you're not too picky.

Case

I love the aesthetics, the tempered glass, and the RGB lighting, but the case definitely trades function for form. The thermals are less than ideal, mostly because the front intakes are rather small. I make regular use of the built in fan controller to turn the fans up in order to keep my 1080 Ti cool during heavy gaming sessions, it is incredibly convenient having my three chassis fans tied into it, although it is worth noting that the fan controller only has three speeds which cannot be modified. Given how convenient the fan controller is for me, I suppose the worse thermal performance wasn't a total oversight, although I may be simply doing away with the front panel someday in favor of a large magnetic dust filter.

Power Supply

Great power supply from a great company. This power supply came with all black, sleeved cables that look beautiful and don't detract from the build at all. Be warned, the sleeves and cables themselves are fairly stiff, I felt like I should have taken more time to soften them a bit before plugging them in, but that may just be my inexperience talking. As expected of EVGA, the unboxing experience was amusingly pleasant. There's even a Velcro bag for unused cables.

Operating System

Windows is Windows. If you're gaming, you get Windows. This is the newest version of Windows right now. What else do you want to know?

Wireless Network Adapter

Due to the lack of ethernet in my living situation, this was a necessary purchase. I think I got it on sale for 45 USD, but it performs well enough and looks nice enough that I wouldn't mind paying retail now that I know it works. I installed the Win10 driver with zero issues and it works without a hitch.

I did purchase an extra large antenna from TP-Link in order to avoid the issue of having wireless antennas trying to reach the router from behind an all metal case, and that performs beautifully as well.

Case Fan

Ideal fans. Never an issue with temps or noise at any speed.

Upgraded from Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED fans, since the noise was a little high for me. I think I lost a little bit of cooling performance, but it still isn't an issue.

Case Fan

Ideal fan. Never an issue with temps or noise at any speed.

Upgraded from Phanteks PH-F120SP_BK_WLED fan, since the noise was a little high for me. I think I lost a little bit of cooling performance, but it still isn't an issue.

Monitor

The price seems to be dropping regularly for this monitor, which is very nice considering it's already a good deal. The build quality is perfect for me, the stand is rock solid, the mount has zero wobble, the bezel is super thin, the matte finish is lovely, and Dell doesn't believe in the flashy, RoG gamer aesthetic.

1440p at 24 inches provides good pixel density, and is perfect for gaming on. There is a 27 inch version for those closer on the spectrum to content creation, but this one perfectly fit my price range. Though, the TN panel likely means you'll look elsewhere. 1ms response time is a nice feature as well. 144Hz is, as everyone says, night and day compared to 60Hz gaming, and you should look for high refresh rates no matter what your price point is for a gaming PC. The advertised 165Hz overclock goes unused, as I don't notice the difference and would rather extend the life of the product, if only a little. Oh, and it has G-SYNC for buttery smooth everything.

I do notice that the monitor tends to flicker when my PC cold boots, which I think adds a good 5-10 seconds onto my boot times. Could be my configuration, could be something else.

Display inputs are sturdy and don't feel like they'll snap if I pull a cord, and the USB hub is a creature comfort for me.

Monitor

Better colors than my TN panel, brighter, and I can leave it in vertical orientation. Perfect side monitor to pair with my gaming monitor. Great for programming, reading and writing documents, browsing, and having Discord open while gaming.

Speakers can be decently loud from a few feet away, but quality is moderate at best. Consider something else for primary audio device.

Keyboard

Functional and comfortable. I have my version with MX Browns since I do almost equal parts typing and gaming. I haven't noticed and wearing out of the lettering on the keys since I bought, which was becoming an issue on my old off-brand gaming keyboard. The brand was AJAZZ or something. I do appreciate the reinforced keys for the gaming clusters, they are easy to find without looking and non-intrusive when typing normally.

The software experience is fully customizable, if a little complex at first. I actually was able to reconfigure the function for the brightness button, which now cycles through my lighting profiles.

I have noticed some glitches in the colors, though, with certain keys occasionally failing to match up with the rest. This seems to be a random and inconsistent occurrence, although only certain keys seem to have the issue, notably Left-ALT.

Mouse

Great mouse. High performance, good weight, great durability, and I'm glad they switched to a silicone grip for the sides over rubber, since my thumb eventually rubbed and sweat through my old Rival 300 side grip.

I had to RMA my first Rival 310, the sensor started registering double clicks on single clicks which was getting unusable. Steelseries support is great and I didn't have to wait long to get a replacement. If the conditions are right you can "destroy" your old mouse and send them proof to get a replacement, didn't even have to worry about shipping in the old mouse. 10/10 customer friendly process.

Headphones

No complaints. I have no issues with the sound, and the software is lightweight and simple to use. I'm no audiophile, so I can't distinguish how 'great' the sound is, but I'm sure its a great quality for the price.

The ear cup material is only somewhat sweat proof, and (if you're like me and have very oily skin) you will eventually notice it degrading. Stays comfortable though, no issues there.

Comments Sorted by:

cherty 1 Build 9 points 18 months ago

Hey the 1600X is totally fine for gaming and with the RAM you've paired it with your frame times and 1% lows will be better on Ryzen than Intel. Also it means anything multi threaded (and future game titles) will love your extra cores (and threads, 7600K doesn't have hyperthreading). The only thin I would've done differently would be getting a 1600 over the 1600x. With overclocking they're essentially the same chip.

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 18 months ago

Thanks! That was my thought going in, I figured people would be more interested in the build side of things for this review, especially considering my troubles getting this system off the ground. But yes, I definitely agree that performance shouldn't be an issue, especially going forward. I do think going with the 1600 would have saved me some build troubles though. Oh well, live and learn.

daroyaljester 1 point 15 months ago

Not really the same chip. The higher base TDP gives the 1600X slightly more OC headroom before hitting voltage limits, which while isn't a major advantage, it is still a difference. Not really a $30 difference, but whatever

Tamriel_Bound 1 Build 5 points 18 months ago

I LOVE what you did with the PCIe slot cover! BRILLIANT! Ive never seen that before, never thought of it myself either. When I do my own build, I always planned on holding it up with some fishing line, as thats pretty hard to see but also incredibly strong.

+1 for ingenuity!

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 18 months ago

Thank you!

NuclearKing 1 Build 4 points 18 months ago

Please don't grill yourself about the 1600X. I have a 6600K and grill myself for not waiting about 4 months for Ryzen. The the same price I could've gotten a 6 core 12 thread CPU which while it doesnt get the same single threaded performance as my OC'd i5 (4.5 GHz), the 1600X's multi threaded performance and frametime consistency is on a completely different planet. Just realize there are i5 owners who feel the same way about their CPU that you do about yours. You will get very nice gaming performance, and absolutely phenomenal performance multi-tasking, streaming, and what-not. Pat yourself on the back instead for choosing such a great CPU. Also 45C is perfectly acceptable, in fact you're completely safe up until about 75C. I bet you can make it to 3.9 at least, maybe even 4.0.

5yt6tiut7 1 Build 3 points 18 months ago

Very nice looking PC, i also have the 1600X, cheers! The P400S TG is so beautiful, isn't it?

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 3 points 18 months ago

After looking at your build, that's quite a compliment! Yours looks amazing compared to mine.

5yt6tiut7 1 Build 1 point 18 months ago

Our PC are equally amazing!! Haha

Awd222 2 points 18 months ago

Love it when people post the build process pics. :D Great build. May you have many max graphics settings in your future!

5PingPlsb0ss 2 points 18 months ago

This is an amazing build, I like the simplicity of the whole thing. Makes me want to build a PC sooner rather then later :) I love it mate!

PigWithAMustache 2 Builds 1 point 18 months ago

How does the 1600X handle the 1080ti? Is there a bottleneck? Nice build tho

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prd7 1 point 15 months ago

Hello, have you had problem to set up the ram @3200 mhz with your mobo? Congrats for the configuration

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

I keep it at 2933MHz, as that seems to eliminate random crashes I would get while playing games. To me, that's an acceptable overclock. The only reason I chose the 3200MHz kit was an ongoing sale, and it had LED effects over my first choice.

tuninglegend 2 Builds 1 point 12 months ago

Is it normal if my top covers are a bit yellow-ish, instead of the same lucid white that the entire case has?

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 12 months ago

I dont have the best eye for colors, but mine don't appear slightly yellow to me. They do appear a slightly different shade of white though, since they're made of plastic while the surrounding case is painted metal.

tuninglegend 2 Builds 1 point 12 months ago

Well mine are like a washed mate white so I don't know if I should ask phanteks to replace them or not. What do you suggest? https://imgur.com/a/AoLVo

odlaw420 1 point 5 months ago

Yo waffle can u tell me where u put ur fans in the build

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 5 months ago

Two 140mm fans in the front, one 120mm fan in the back. I have one 120mm fan in the top rear slot for exhaust. Can also just check the pictures I took of the build.

bringmepeterpan 1 point 3 months ago

That pcie slot cover used as a gpu support is actually genius! I was going to get that Aorus extreme 1080ti cause the 1060 6gb version I have (well it was the aorus, not extreme) had absolutely overkill cooling and ran at like 40*c while gaming for hours upon hours. That thing is a beast though, I'd be worried about it snapping off at the pcie slot lol. My build is pretty much the same but I went with the evga 1080ti sc cause its a 2 slot card with good cooling and looks hella sexy. Nice job though!

Cleaved 1 point 14 days ago

I have this case, and have recently run into thermal issues. May I ask what "Large Magnetic Dust Filter" you were considering for the front?

The front rad setup makes it sub-optimal for cooling the interior, and a new GPU makes things TOASTY in there... that glass will BURN your hand with ease :(

If you have any cooling tips, I'd appreciate them greatly! Love the case, would hate to junk it and start over in a new one.

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 12 days ago

EDIT: Apparently amazon does offer several options you can just purchase and slap into your case that will do well. https://amzn.to/2DNomsp

Sorry, I never did find a large magnetic dust filter, I jury-rigged an alternative solution that I'm mostly happy with. Here's what I ended up doing:

Removed the two small dust filters from the top and bottom of the front cover and packed them away. They're restricting an already restricted airflow. Took the two square dust filters meant for the top exhaust and placed them directly over the front intake fans. This way air can freely enter the chamber behind the front cover and the intake fans are still filtered. *This leaves a lot of little holes to the sides of the intake fans and also to the chamber beneath the power supply shroud. You could use electrical tape or duct tape to cover these holes, it doesn't need to be pretty if you intend to keep the front cover of the case on. I did nothing to cover these holes up so there is some dust buildup there, but I rely on positive pressure to keep that to a minimum. I can go several weeks with minimal dust buildup.

I'm not near home now, but I can add pictures of what I've done if that helps you.

You could also DIY your own magnetic dust filter using some magnetic tape from your local hobby store and a sheet of plastic mesh you can get off amazon OR you could cannibalize a kitchen strainer/sifter.

Hope this helps!

Cleaved 1 point 12 days ago

That's exactly the advice I was looking for. With the front cover off, my GPU is like 20C cooler now, so I want to aim for that. I may upgrade the 140mm fans that came with the Kraken x62 to some high power SP fans, especially if I get a large magnetic dust filter that covers them both.

I already plan to remove the dust filters on top, once I put a couple 140mm fans up there to evacuate more hot air.

My issue, is that the heat seems to get trapped beneath the GPU. Is there a way to squeeze another fan below the two front 140mm ones to move air into the lower portion of the case unrestricted?

Either that, or I may have to pop out the HDD cover at the bottom and put a fan there that pushes up, or rig some sort of fan below the GPU at the back of the case and remove PCIE bracket/covers.

Typing all that out... I'm wondering if I shouldn't find a bigger tower or one with better airflow. I really don't want to, but this seems like a ton of work for something that shouldn't be an issue from the start. God forbid I had an air-cooled CPU, how hot would it be in there then?

Thanks again for the input.

Cleaved 1 point 12 days ago

Apparently, you can fit a third fan on the front, if you remove the dust filter. Since I was planning on doing so anyway, I will try it.

wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 12 days ago

Make sure to pay attention to the type of fans, though, I'm pretty sure you can only fit three fans in front (with HDD cage removed) if they're all 120mm fans.

I was getting around to mentioning that to you, glad you found it. I was busy adding some pictures and updating my build page, please check out the pictures if it wasn't clear what I was saying earlier.

As for the heat getting trapped below the GPU, I don't know that I can really give input on that without seeing what the inside of your case looks like. it could be that your exhaust fans aren't working hard enough to pull air up and out, or that your GPU fans themselves have nowhere to dump the hot air. And that's only if you have no issues with the front intake fans now or later on.

Since each case isn't really more than a rectangular box with holes in the front and back (and sometimes top and bottom), improving airflow really comes down to where and how you can place the fans and (in your case, not mine) radiators. Getting a larger tower may not really help at all, if you don't have enough fans to move air where it needs to go. That's my take on that.

When a tower has issues with airflow, it usually comes down to too-small gaps in the front that choke off the intake fans. Exhaust capacity is almost never an issue. If you look for a new case, make sure that the intake isn't choked off like it is with this case by default.

X7DragonsX7 -1 points 12 months ago

I5 and 5 1600X aren’t even comparable. Sorry

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wAFFLES2310 submitter 1 Build 1 point 18 months ago

Mostly it was a result of extra problems getting the build off the ground, especially with the X version I got without a stock cooler, but now that I've gotten it out of the way and overclocked it a touch, it's no longer an issue.

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