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This is another gaming system using an i5-9400F and RTX 2060, the same combo I used in my last white-themed build.

The build went much the same as that last one, the main difference being I used an air cooler this time instead of an AIO.

For a full write-up of the process and a discussion of part choices, please see the album over on the Sensible Systems Facebook page.

Cheers!

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  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

Thats a **** ton of storage but godly build.

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

It is indeed of lot a storage!

The person it was built for needed plenty of space for a media library, hence the 4TB hard drive.

And that 1TB SSD for the money was just too hard to pass up.

Several different models of ~500GB NVMe drive cost almost exactly the same, and I think most folks who simply use the system for gaming and general web-browsing and home/office stuff will notice and appreciate the extra space far more than the performance difference.

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

I have never heard of the 9400f. Would you recommend it? Very clean, subtle build, that packs quite a punch...

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, thanks!

About the 9400F, it is basically an updated i5-8400 with a very small frequency increase and no integrated graphics. I would definitely recommend it over the -8400 if you can find it for a fair bit less (and are willing to live without the iGPU).

Whether to get it or e.g. a Ryzen 5 2600 is a tougher question, but for a pure gaming system that you don't want to have to fiddle around with the get the best performance out of it, the -9400F would be my pick.

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

Quick question. Were you able to just put the 9400f into the b360 mobo with no issues, or did you have to update the bios?

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, yes, I was this time, since the board came with a recent enough BIOS version. Last time though, I did need a BIOS update.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Do to the bios update, do you need to have a compatible processor installed?

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Yes, you will need a compatible processor installed to do the BIOS update with this motherboard, and with just about all boards except for a few really fancy higher-end models that have the ability to flash BIOS from a USB stick without a CPU installed.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I'm confused. To do anything with your computer, including accessing your BIOS, don't you need to have a compatible CPU plugged into your motherboard? And if your 9400f was incompatible with your prior computer, how were you able to perform a BIOS flash?

Another point of confusion: Doesn't the i5 9400F completely lack graphics capability, which would prevent you from seeing anything on your screen, even if you just wanted to access your BIOS? Or does having a discrete GPU plugged into the motherboard bypass this issue, at least with regard to allowing you to view and flash your BIOS?

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Hi, yes, you do need a compatible CPU installed to do anything with the computer, including just accessing BIOS.

For the previous build, the shop I bought the board from was nice enough to do the BIOS update for me, presumably with whatever compatible CPU they happened to have on hand.

About the graphics thing, yes, the F-series completely lack graphics capability, so even once the board was updated to a BIOS version that supported it, I needed a GPU installed to get display out.

(To my embarrassment, I forgot about this when breadboarding for this build - i.e. putting everything together outside the case first to check it all works - and had a sinking moment before realizing I needed the GPU installed too to see anything... d'oh!)

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Im not sure if you are familiar with canada computers, but is there a possibility that the location where I will buy the motherboard from will help to update the motherboard in-store?

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

There is definitely a possibility.

I'm not familiar with Canada Computers, so I can't say for sure, but in Australia some sellers offer a free BIOS update service if you need it for stuff you've bought from them, and others will also do it while charging a small fee.

My suggestion would be to go in during a quiet time of day to ask, and hopefully they may even be able to do it while you wait.

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  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Looking good pal!

  • Whats the WiFi like on the AORUS? Heard it's good in some situations and a bit iffy in others.

  • Also, I have heard the phrase quantity over quality in the QVO compared to that of EVOs and some other SSDs. Do you reckon this is the case?

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

Hey, thanks!

About the WiFi, it's Intel's fancy new CNVi thingy that moves some of the functionality into the chipset itself and offers high-bandwidth wifi plus Bluetooth 5, so on paper it is all awesome, and paying the extra for a board with this stuff makes sense (imo) versus buying a cheaper board plus a wifi/BT adapter (USB or add-in card).

In practice, I tested the wifi from a room away from my router and even without the antenna attached, it was fine. Really a case of YMMV, depending on your specific home network setup and internet connection.

About "quantity over quality" vis a vis the 1TB QVO (and higher-capacity lower-cost QLC drives in general I guess), I reckon that compared to an equivalently-priced 500GB NVMe drive, most gamers and general users will notice and appreciate the extra space far more than the performance difference.

Proviso there is that the QLC drive is designed well enough for performance not to tank under common workloads.

In the case of the 860 QVO specifically, Samsung have done well with the dynamic SLC cache design, and I think under normal use most people should mostly or even only see high-end SATA III performance.

(Nearly fill the drive, thus shrinking the SLC cache, then do a big file transfer, and performance will drop, though.)

The other consideration is endurance, usually cited as the Achille's heel of QLC.

But for most users, the three year warranty period on the 860 QVO will run out before they exceed the drive's 360TB write endurance (they'd have to write a bit over 300GB a day, every day, for those three years, for that not to be true!). So at least for typical users, endurance shouldn't be an issue even with QLC.

Whew! Long answer, but they were good questions so hopefully this is all useful!

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Well, it maybe a long answer but it was a mighty detailed one! Thanks for the help mate.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Very welcome!

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

how is this for games and vr

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Hi, it is good for gaming at 1080p or 1440p, but isn't really meant to handle 4K.

About VR, the system well exceeds the recommended specs for even the HTC Vive Pro, so should be fine for that too.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

good build

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

thanks!

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Nice build! how are your gpu temps on this case?

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Hey, thank you! About GPU temp in this case, it was OK but not the greatest, around low- to mid-70s during stress-testing with Heaven on loop, if I remember correctly (and that was on a fairly warm day)... not very scientific, sorry!

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Thank you for answering! I have the same card and get around the same temps. I live in a tropical country btw. I wish I'd gone with a card with better cooling

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I’m building a build similar to this but just wondering about the motherboard being installed into the case, because when I try to align the B360 it doesn’t fit very well with the standoffs

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I don't recall any hassle with that during this build, but can always happen! Don't know if PC Part Picker lets you post photos in comments? Maybe helpful to see what it all looks like - maybe I (or some kind eagle-eyed person!) can spot what's wrong...

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

It won’t let me take a photo but thanks

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

hi... any idea for motherboard what works out of the box (not the z series)? any cheaper B or H series 360 or 370?

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Asrock Phantom B365 80usd - 105usd

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Hey, this board's box had a bit of branding saying "Optimized for Intel 9000 processors", and I guess any other board that has that or something similar would work fine.