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Cheap and Cheerful. A Low POwered alternative that far beats the PS3 and Xbo 360, obvioulsy even on a higher premium cant compete with the likes of the next gens but its literally silent cannot hear a thing evn under any load. Not oTT, case isnt everyones cup of tea but its cheap as chips, CPU height is an issue and Liquid Cooling is not really an option unless you want to lose the front fan but for a low power build, you can sacrfirice some airflow as this thing uses hardly any power at all and produces no heat whatso ever.

You havent got a full on gaming PC, and not everything will be 1080p, but 720p and 900p at very decent rates are possibly. Plus you can easily overclock onboard APu Core and Memory to match the Dedicated Card to get the best scaling performance. Though some general advice would be depending on board to bosost core manually within Turbo Range but Disable Turbo Boost completely. Has serious impact on games performance.

Only thing I have noticed though with FM2+ and Dual Graphics is in menu options on quite a few games you get a load of lag and sometimes seems game is frozen, this only happens at 1080p, drop in game resolution to any less and fine but scaling ingame menus etc do not seem to work correctly for some reason, even when game has a Crossfire Profile available.

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  • 57 months ago
  • 1 point

do you have the games stored on the green drive?

  • 56 months ago
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Some but things like BF4, Titanfall etc are on SSD as it helps with loading.

  • 57 months ago
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If I were you, I would have sacrificed the SSD and got a better GPU. Nice build regardless.

  • 57 months ago
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i wouldve just swapped the GPU for one that could crossfire with the APU... but then again, not really...

  • 56 months ago
  • 1 point

Not sure whre you are coming from, swapped out GPU for one that could crossfire. The R7 250 is th only one that can crossfire.

Adding any card other than that one or the lower specced R7 240 would be a waste!

  • 56 months ago
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oops, didnt know which cards matched with the APU. hope you like your build!

  • 56 months ago
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So why would you take a low powered APUU quad Core with R7 Graphics and a seocnd R7 and swap that Graphics card with one not compatible for it main purpose, that makes no sense. Its primarily an APU crossfire machine, adding any graphics card other than R7 250 or even R7 240 would be pretty pointless and complete waste of money.

Obviously 256Gb is bit overkill for osme as some still see SSD's as just for OS with in that case 64Gb is enough with 8GB Pagefile and 4GB Hibernation but its best to not fill SSD upto much as degardes performance. Plus when you look at cost prices per GB is it not better to spend extra 25-30% more to get pretty much 100% more storage

  • 56 months ago
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Here, I'd have to disagree (slightly) with you. That APU could easily run a R9 260 or 270, which will be way faster than the Crossfire combo you're running right now. For casual use and light gaming the APU is just fine; (I'm writing this and running two monitors on my A8-7600 right now :) ) NCIX.com has a video explaining the pros and cons. An alternative might have been to go with a Athlon 860K / R9-270 combo.

Your SSD capacity is just fine. Room for the OS and a couple of games, faster bootups, and a very responsive desktop are all good things.

  • 56 months ago
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Yes X4 860K and R9 270 is really good combo at moment especially price wise but Idea on this build was to see how good and what performance these new APU's actually give in everyday real world not just synthetic tests.
As such best card to use was R7 250 which meant I could utilise both onboard and dedicated card in Crossfire with using little power but giving decent enough performance, all in all this system could run perfectly on a 250W PSU with room to spare. There seems no point in anyone spending money on an AMD APU with R7 Graphics to then buy an R7 Graphics card that would infact disable onboard.

But looking at an 780K you are pushing 95W TDP and they are lot hotter, this then leads to noise, bigger PSU so low power and efficiency goes out of the window then. If I hadnt of picked up the A8 for £56 from Amazon then I may of played around slightly more with other processors but all in all, the performance against the price and makes up for it.

Its virtually silent, my external hard drive now makes more noise than this PC from its little rear fan. For those out there that buy these AMD APU's then couple them with a graphics card that basically disables onboard really made a terrible choice.

Especially when you have FM2+ Processor without the Graphics or even Intel i3 or FX which cant be used on small builds anyhow

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  • 57 months ago
  • 1 point

So, why the APU + GPU? Sorry if you mentioned this and I just missed it.

  • 56 months ago
  • 2 points

APU and GPU work in Crossfire. You use the APU and GPU to increase performance. At time it wasnt as good as it could be, their was issues with frame Pacing which was fixed with driver update and as mentioned major issues with crossfire in fair few games when in main menus, but since then they have brought out new Omega drivers which I have noted made some really good improvements in performance. I paid £125 fpor that APU and GPU and the performance you get was pretty good for overall price/performance.

Obviously some will say R7 260x and G3258 would be better but I still got 2 cores more, plus the machine actually faired better on power consumption. But APu and GPU are a good combo, though it does dpend on what you want it for.

One thing you do see is peopel selling PC's with AMD APu and then selling it with dedicated card not compatible with crossfire so pretty much a waste

  • 56 months ago
  • 1 point

I knew that they can work in crossfire, but it still seems like it'd be better to go with an FX-xxxx with a GPU. The A8-7600 is still a great APU, in fact I'm about to buy one for an office build for my wife, but she won't be doing any gaming.

  • 56 months ago
  • 1 point

Thing is with AMD they like heat and though FX Processors are fast and open to huge increases due to all of them being unlocked due to limitations in hardware on motherboard side they could neve rmake an ITX board suitable. So for all of us that like tiny PC's the FM series was way to go, performance not as good but heat and power more efficient. And with aded bonus of the fastest onabord graphics on market. So why not take a cheap R7 graphics card and get aorund 50% performance increase for £50 extra. Turns a nice fast General everyday PC into a decent performing PC able to play majority of games. And with HSA looming in about a years time much quicker than Intel who at moment still have upper hand with core performance, Best thing is this PC outplays XBOX 360 and PS3 in Games and pulls 30W less from the wall than an Xbox 360 yet my Xbox cant give me upto date info at touch of button, reply to an email whilst talking on skype at same time looking at local news whilst I have some music playing background:)

But I would highly recommend this Processor especially against the next Processo rup on Tier with is A10 as they are basically as fast as each other yet this can run at 45W so at that its a no brainer especially with little lost in performance. Just make sure you team this up with at least DDR3 2133 Ram

  • 56 months ago
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Hey, thanks for the info!

  • 57 months ago
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That cooler JUST fit but barely

  • 57 months ago
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Should have gotten and AMD fx 6300

  • 56 months ago
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Not possible in such as small form as they run too hot and motherboard cant handle power requirements efficiently.

Would loved to have seen some AMD FX mini builds but was never going to happen, possible now with new ones coming out but FX is now dead especially for new machines as no future upgrades.

The new FM2+'s will if the details are correct eventually replace them all

  • 56 months ago
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i did some more research on the 6300 and saw how bad it was, the athlon x4 860k is pretty fascinating.

  • 56 months ago
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Take an A10 7850K and turn off graphics but in doing so increase headroom slightly for better overclock and you have an 860K. That processor knocked the G3258 on its *** and now says see you to anyone Intel Fanboys who state only i3 good enough for entry level gaming. Especially since the £30 you save against an i3 buys you are pretty decent air cooler to help with your overclock along with your High Spec FM2+ board that only set you back £70 instead of Intel £100+ versions

Just got to wait for next line of processors from AMD which are due soon

  • 57 months ago
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That huge cooler is hilarious looking inside that tiny case. Makes it look like you have 2 stroke engine in there. :) It is a very nice build. +1

  • 56 months ago
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lol, thanks. Just makes it stand out more.

  • 57 months ago
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Interesting choices... I'd keep the SSD. Responsiveness of the OS can be an issue sometimes with these lower tier CPUs, even with 8 GB of RAM. I would have liked to see the prices for the RAM, video card and power supply added in to get a better handle on the true cost of the system (for comparison, see my build; https://pcpartpicker.com/b/Q6yfrH) but if you don't know, then you don't know. Is it a glitch that the cooler price is in pounds, and the rest in dollars?

  • 56 months ago
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Hi, not sure what it looks like form US web point of view but in GBP I have total outlay of just over £522 for everything, Ram was little expensive in comparison but its faster speed I could get to maximise the performance.

Obviously that price is now but I know I paid just under £450 for this, so some of prices have gone up as the A8 processor was on amaozn at time I bought it for just over £56.

I think the cooler is in pounds as I manually added it as couldnt locate it when chekcing for products.

  • 55 months ago
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There's a very similar build to yours on sale on ebay, I saw it when searching for the case as I find it too big and am trying to see if I can sell it in exchange for the Raijintek Metis.

The Cpu cooler in the ebay listing in oriented exactly the same way as this, why didn't you point it at the 80mm fans instead?

I bought the coolermaster hyper 103 as well, I was considering the Raijintek Aidos as the techpowerup review had it performing on par with the cm 212 evo but other sites didn't replicate that. The Thermaltake Nic 31 doesn't seem to be on sale here in the UK.

The Cooler Master Hyper 103 had really nice LED lighting, its not for sale in the USA hence that's why I think it's not listed which is a shame as I'd like to see other builds with this cooler. I notice you say that its silent, and the amd's have a higher tdp than then pentium g3258 although I am overclocking mine, I wonder how far it'll go.

  • 42 months ago
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Nice, I got the same case wrapped in carbon fiber vinyl !

  • 37 months ago
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Really nice looking build mate. I am wondering how are your 80mm case fans performing, I am thinking of the same case with the same fans. How are the fans noise and how did you connect your fans in the system? Thanks in advance.