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Ok guys this is my first ever build of a PC. (Ignore the border in the photo - House is being decorated room by room - Office is last lol)

I wanted to build on a budget to try PC gaming and try photo editing for my holiday photo (I take a lot on holidays). For this i decided to go for a AMD APU as i have an APU laptop which i currently use and have never had a problem with it for editing small photo.

I did originally want a Xeon however with my budget limited i was finding going Intel i thought i didn't do the graphic's any justice. So maybe a water cooled Xeon build is next...................

I used the A10 7850K as this just made the most amount of sense to me, i'm glad i choose it, it performance is as expect a little slower than the I5 i used on my friends, however in the grand scheme of thing the amount extra her spent didn't make sense to me for my first build.

The A10 7850K is overclocked to 4.1 GHz CPU and 900 MHz i couldn't get 1 GHz stable so got the GPU to where it was stable then bumped up the CPU until that was stable as well, doing this overclock did add extra performance i could feed straight away.

The only part of this which i didn't originally choose was the RAM i choose the low profile one however when i placed the order the company rang me and told me that they had none in stock however would upgrade me to pro for free, which of course i said sure, its 2133mhz to try to boost the performance of the kaveri chip, i did originally want 2400mhz however where i had to buy was far to expensive

The rest of the components i choose from good reviews and just what my budget allowed.

Assembling in this Case was a pain .... a literal pain....... cut my hands a few times .... but altogether a brilliant case the mobo sits almost on top of the PSU so no Crossfire, however i'm not all that bothered, if i need crossfire i'll change case. The only other problem i had was the 8 pin CPU power i forgot to run under the mobo so its snakes around the top :(

I will add more photo as I've started testing and want to do more cable management.

I will post benchmarks as i get them:- Unigine heaven @1080P HIGH DX11 20 FPS (Not very good however only synthetic )

Warframe @1080p MED/HIGH setting 35-60 FPS

World of Tanks @1080p HIGH setting 40-60fps

SMITE 1080p High/Max settings 59-85 fps

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  • 60 months ago
  • 2 points

Does the Hyper 212 Evo Even fit in that Case?? Though nice build! +1

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Just .. probably 2mm clearance :)

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

You could probably throw in an R7 250 or whatever it says the CPU CrossFire's with, but yea that second PCIe port looks like it'd be hard to put a second dedicated GPU in for 3-way.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

That will be my next step :)

Not to bothered about crossfire but relised after getting the case i can only have a single GPU :S

But its ok cuz afterwards i had to get wifi card

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Nice build! Definitely get an R7 250 in there for some extra fun!

  • 60 months ago
  • 2 points

Thats the next step :)

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

It's a solid little machine, did you already have the motherboard or did you buy it, because if you bought it then you should have went fx series. But still nice little machine especially after you get that R7 250.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

I didn't have the motherboard

Didn't want to go FX as i may move this to a smaller case perhaps HTPC and didn't want the extra heat

Also with FX i'd need a gpu

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Yea I gotcha, that's the issue with the fx-series no integrated. But still a nice nifty machine.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you

Would i be better with an FX or a XEON for my workstation build? it'll also be a home server

Or do i build a cheap FX build and a cheap Intel server?

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

well are you looking for a little gaming machine and a sever machine as well because a xeon will definitely get the server done. overall xeon have more cache and can handle way more and the new 2011 sockets are i hear amazing. the machine you have, once you get that card will be plenty for gaming small games, but not a server workstation. it all depends on what you want. and well money comes down to making a server workstation which i wish i had. and like you said its going to be a home server so you dont need a whole lot for it.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

The server workstation will be for light gaming mostly encoding and transcoding i will keep this as my gaming build that i'll use most

The workstation is so i can prehaps do some CAD/Rendering work on it

I was thinking FX simply for cost but will xeon be the best?

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

looks great man, your RAM should be easily overclockable to 2400 stable. Have you toyed with the voltages at all? I was able to push my 7850k to 1020 on the GPU, 4.2 on the CPU, and the RAM to 2400. I pulled the overclock off after a week because i'm only on an FX series cooler and the games I play had no need for the extra performance. I think you would see another noticeable gain in performance with just the RAM OC though, just something to keep in mind.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Not just yet mostly played with ratio

Worried what sort of of voltages i should be setting for CPU and GPU

how did you OC the GPU i used bios

Also what sort of voltage should i apply to ram?

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

I can't remember off the top of my head what the standard voltage to the processor should be. Just remember the GPU and CPU are sitting in the same socket, so whatever you do to one, you do to the other. The thing with APU's is finding that happy medium. Also remember that not all chips respond as well as others due to the quality of silicone in them. Some people just flat out get luckier and have higher overclockability on their chips. I also used the BIOS to achieve my overclock. I feel it is far superior in terms of fine tuning than any software is going to get you. You also can OC your NB to get more gains if you are wanting to squeeze out every bit of power possible. Just be wary of thermal throttling. As for your RAM, there are many different ways to achieve 2400mhz; you can loosen the timings on your RAM since it is already pulling 1.65v which is what I pushed mine up to in order to achieve 2400. The max I would go without a RAM cooler is 1.8 and I would only do that with the knowledge that you absolutely will shorten the life of the sticks. It's honestly a trial and error sort of thing. If you can't just bump it straight to 2400 and it stay stable I would first push your voltage to 1.7 and see if that works. If not, lower it back to 1.65 and loosen the timings up to something like 10-10-10-24 and attempt it again. If that doesn't work then try a combination of the two. Keep in mind that APU's respond more to higher frequency than tighter timing so you really should try to achieve that 2400 mark. Once you get it there then you can try to slowly step down the timings and voltage as low as you can keep it stable. I hope this helps, let me know if I can help any more

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

I will have to give it a go

Thank youfor the help

I will just keep playing and will post f i have any change :)

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

I managed to get the GPU to 960mhz and stable

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Would looking at the PRO 2400mhz give me the timings?

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Your RAM is perfectly fine man, APU's respond more to speed than tighter timings. Just shoot for 2400mhz. Or are you asking how you can find the timings on your RAM?

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

I have seen the same modules with a different profile that is 2400mhz can i make these match that?

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Your RAM is set to 9-11-11-31/2133mhz/1.65v out of the box. I had hoped for better out of these sticks but they are what they are. All you can do is play with them and see how well they will perform.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Not a bad budget build. Excellent job.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Upvoted for wallpaper

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you

  • 60 months ago
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OCing the APU can be a fine balance.

since the iGPU part takes up to 60% of the die

the bulk of the heat generated is from the iGPU.

one way to get the iGPU to hit 1GHz is to mess with the North Bridge and FSB

the other way is to mess with the RAM speed

others suggest keeping the CPU to 4GHz fixed minus the turbo boost

see if you are able to get the above settings by bumping up from 1800MHz to 2000MHz for the NB

the suggested voltage for the APU is around the 1.4x+ mark

the next step of upgrade to to add the SSD and a R7 250

any 240 and 250 will work be it DDR3 or GDDR5

but not the 250X and above

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

make sense

I will probably return the cpu to stock and boost the IGPU again

will fiddle with those setting and see what i can get

think i'm getting an SSD this month

I will probably get a 250 to use crossfire but if i need to i'll do discrete gpu

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

if you are going full GPU

go for the R9 280/X

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

What about the 270? Is the 280 gonna be held back? Also thinking about nvidia for there game stream :)

Also if i use nvidia I can have both drivers and change for mantle for some games and nvidia for others

If that make sense

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

nVidia is bitching about support drivers in an AMD System

you wont likely be able to get shadowplay or g-sync working in there although the normal driver will still work.

if you look around the 860K builds

the 280/X is still a good GPU to pair with as long you OC the CPU part

once you have the dGPU in,

then back off the GPU clock and go full on with the CPU

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Lower end towers tend get you, may have stepped up to an NZXT source but the N200 is not a bad case. For a budget build the A10-7850 is rock solid, it wont keep up with an FX-8320 or i5 when paired to a graphics card but this thing will crush either with just the stand alone chip in gaming. I have heard APU's can be a pain to OC, you can really only OC the CPU or GPU not both from what I understand (just not worth the effort).

You have a good looking build here at a really good price.

Possible upgrades when that time comes.

I think it would be a good upgrade to bump up to 16gb of RAM since your graphics is pulling from the system memory, though 8gb should be enough. Also adding a SSD would speed things up. I would also try to kick the RAM up to 2400mhz, I don't see it having issues being rated for 2133.

  • 60 months ago
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I do love the look of the the n200 over the NZXT it looks nice on my desk :)

Overclocking was a pain but worth it :) as a stand alone chip it feel great over igpu on intel :)

Problem with adding more ram is i need to go watercooled as the 212 covers 2 ram slots :(

Trying to get ram to be stable at 2400mhz is proving tricky :(

Thank you for the comment :)

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

I feel the pain with the 212, I have one in my rig. If you point the radiator to where the fan blows our the back and moved the fan to the back of the radiator (between the case and the radiator) you might have enough clearance.

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

What do you mean? Move the fan to the back of the heat sink as a pull config?

  • 60 months ago
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yep, you should just have to take the brackets off the fan and flip the orentation. I dont see there being a temp difference for that heat sync.

  • 60 months ago
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I'll have to try it

Do you think 57 degrees on cpu is hot at 100% load?

  • 60 months ago
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Nice budget build! I would just put in an SSD and a 250 (I really like Sapphire's passive cooler) and you're golden!

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

Might put the 250 in this month

I was thinking 270

  • 60 months ago
  • 1 point

The 270 is a great card for the money, There's one for about $160 US. Just keep in mind you can't do dual graphics with it, but it's still better than dual graphics.

  • 60 months ago
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Also if i go 270 when i do my XEON build i can use the 270 in that :) i'm a fan of APU htpc

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Smite high settings those frames <3 I'm gonna buy that APU soon :) thanks for frames, I was wondering what frames you could get with that APU.

  • 59 months ago
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If you can get 2400 mhz ram you'd be better off

I love it its powerful enough not to need a gpu

Wish i had gone itx tho since i doubt i'll add more than one gpu lol

  • 59 months ago
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The RAM I chose is 1866 or something like that, 2400 mhz RAM is a bit too expensive :/ but I'm gonna upgrade RAM and buy a graphics card at some point :)

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Fair enough

Over clock the ram if you can lol

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

yeea.

  • 59 months ago
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I'm annoyed as after i bought the 2133 mhz the 2400mhz went on big sale :(

  • 57 months ago
  • 1 point

Looks good

  • 57 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you