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The Blue Adder v 1.1

by deadthing79

Description

I've updated the Blue Adder with a straight AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7Ghz processor due to the issue of potential bottle necking with the previous A10 5800K Processor. I chose to overclock it to an even 4.0Ghz, which isn't too ambitious but should be more than enough for current gaming. I also repositioned the aftermark CPU Cooler and now that CPU runs nearly ice cold. Here I thought I was going to have to buy a liquid CPU cooler.

The ram is mixed brand and size, but the latency on each piece of ram is identical, meaning that there should be no problems between them when the system is operating.

I chose an FM2+ platform due to the fact that AMD is most probably heading for an APU based PC Platform in the near future.

My plans are to upgrade to an A10 7890K down the road unless something better rolls off the AMD assembly line between now and that time. I also intend to eventually build the system up to a full compliment of 32GB's of ram as well as a more solid performing motherboard and PSU. As for now, I have a pleasant gaming rig with a beefy video card that pretty much handles anything I throw at it for now.

Part Reviews

CPU Cooler

This fan is huge, but effective. I'm amazed at how well it's managed to keep my A10 CPU from becoming a charred brick.

Thermal Compound

Does this really need a review? This is the best thermal paste on the market.

Motherboard

A pretty straight forward board with a really good UEFI interface and solid overclocking options. I'd give it higher marks, but the Micro ATX format is quite limited and the board didn't want to actually fit well in the case I bought.

Video Card

This is a damn good card. Run's hot as hell at times, but I've been told that Hawaii based GPU's tend to do this. The Double D cooler on the card does a damn solid job of keeping this card from melting under high loads. If it weren't for the high power consumption of the card, I'd rate it much higher. Base requirements for a PSU for this card is 750W. Holy crap!

Case

A good, solid case. It would have rated higher if It came with the blue front fan it advertised and had USB 3.0 in the front.

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convertedconsolegamer_92 2 Builds 4 points 47 months ago

Are you getting any bottleneck with this CPU / GPU combo?

mogs 2 Builds 4 points 47 months ago

That CPU will heavily bottleneck the 290X. It's roughly around the same performance as an i3. ideally you want to be using an FX 8320/8350 or an i5 4690k. A more powerful CPU and a slightly weaker GPU (R9 280X/290) probably would have been a better combination.

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 5 points 46 months ago

Changed out for an Athlon X4 860K & OC'd it to 4Ghz. What bottle neck? LoL. The A10 consumed more voltage & did less, so consider this and all the other posts as advice followed.

tommy.tntxc 1 Build 1 point 41 months ago

m8, i h8 to burst ur bubble, but ur losing a crap ton of performance cuz of ur cpu

Charmin 4 points 47 months ago

I'm afraid that PSU is going to **** out and take some components with it. Your first upgrade should be a better PSU, then SSD, Then getting proper RAM. Finally it should be a new cpu and mobo. It's actually a great build, just want to help paint a path for upgrades. Anyways +1!

pnged 2 points 47 months ago

I agree, but I think they should definitely get proper RAM (2gb, seriously?) before an SSD, but definitely after a better PSU.

Happyville101 2 points 45 months ago

theres 14 GB of mixecd ram

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MKC 3 points 47 months ago

The ignorant (relatively speaking) reviews on amazon are not what you should base your judgement of PSUs on. I have personally had PSU take an entire system with it when it died, and it wasn't even that bad of one. According to the PSU tier list (a trusted resource), ALL coolmax units are listed in tier five, which is the "likely to burn down your computer/house" tier.

Charmin 2 points 47 months ago

Because it's a rule of thumb you don't pay attention to customer reviews unless there is a universal problem <---- emphasis on problem. Those reviewers are average consumers that don't know much about the PSU itself like 12V rail and how much wattage a bronze 850 watt PSU should give, because it doesn't give 850 watts. When reading reviews it should be from reliable tech sites. Coolmax have been known to make bad And faulty PSU's, meaning bad quality control. It's more advisable to get a more reliable brand like XFX, SeaSonic, and Corsair HX or AX. This isfriendly advice that could save someone's build.

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Charmin 2 points 46 months ago

Lol. I could say the same about your carelessness. I don't want to start an argument so let's just leave it here, and and not make an argument in this community.

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 2 points 46 months ago

I've listened and so far, it's been a good PSU. I've checked it regularly and monitored the voltage. It's been steady and the PSU isn't even running very hot. I've read alot of negative reviews on Newegg about it that oddly showed up shortly after I bought it. Before I bought it, nothing but glowing reviews.

I only use user reviews as a baseline for decision making, usually going with the ones that seem most knowledgeable when making a judgement call on hardware.

That being said, I'll upgrade the PSU eventually. Thing is, it's hard to find 1000 watts on the cheap that has any kind of a good track record. Out of what was available at the time of purchase, this was the best bang for least buck.

To be perfectly honest, PSU's are a crap shoot because even the highest rated, most expensive and reliable PSU can go up in a poof of smoke at a moment's notice. It's all about that Silicone lottery at the end of the day.

LittleBaka420 3 points 47 months ago

That bottleneck is heavy with the CPU/GPU combo. I suggest you switch to an FX-8350 or i5 for the best results.

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 2 points 46 months ago

Changed the CPU out for an AMD Athlonx4 860K. Bumped it up from 3.7ghz to 4ghz and dude, the difference is amazing, especially in 3DMark benchmarks. While the CPU physics tests were still pretty crushing, I did notice that my frame rates were a bit higher & the combined tests doing much stronger as well. The exception being that Firestrike's combined graphics/physics test was still teeth grindingly hard to watch, but then I think that's the point of that particular test. Everything else ran beautifully.

dsargent7 1 Build 3 points 47 months ago

I've heard speculation that Direct X 12 will allow the use of differently specced GPU combos and APU/GPU combos to perform together using a more sophisticated method than crossfire/sli.

Still, a 290x wouldn't need much help from an APU, but you are going to be bottlenecked a bit from that CPU. Was this on some kind of major sale or something? I'm curious why you bought an APU knowing you'd be getting a very powerful GPU.

JohnnyBCC 1 Build 1 point 46 months ago

I think we all are...

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 2 points 47 months ago

Yeah, as I said, it was a long time since my last computer build and most of the parts were marked down. The CPU actually hasn't bottlenecked me at all. Then again, I am using this on a 120hz 1080 LED TV, so I'm probably not noticing it. The idea was to build up from this. If anything, the video card was the main thing that hiked the price of this build beyond the initial build I wanted to go for.

As far as the ram goes, I got two of the sticks from a buddy who had just upgraded his machine and it was 1600 DDR3, which was what is suggested for this board. I bought the 8GB as a starter with the 4 and 2 GB sticks being my friend's left overs. I was like "Hey, the more the merrier!"

As for the CPU, I chose to go with FM2+ because that seems to be where AMD is headed. I know the FX line is way more powerful, but it's also older architecture that they are squeezing the crap out of for every dime they can get before moving on. AM3+ won't be around much longer and they are so focused on APU's that I felt I made a good decision. I'm really liking what I hear about Godavari & Kaveiri processors and if I get one of those, it'll crossfire with my R9 290X, making a significant increase in performance as well as utilizing all 12 cores of those badboys, rather than just 4.

And I got insanely lucky when I was doing part's picking on my own. Most of the parts came out of a huge NewEgg sale, though the power supply came from OutletPC as well as the Rosewill 80mm fan I threw in.

Rollin489 1 point 47 months ago

I agree with everyone....that CPU is going to bottleneck the heck out of that GPU. The Athlon series of CPUs have more powerful parts out there now than the 5800k that do not include the graphics part of the APU. But even then, Its still going to bottleneck. Unfortunately that Motherboard platform isnt going to allow you to even upgrade the CPU to a point where it wont bottleneck. Is there a story behind the RAM selection? At the very least, a year down the road, you still have a very capable GPU to build around for a new system.

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

Did a little further research and it seems that you guys are right. I probably should have followed my gut instinct and ran with the AMD Athlon X4 860K. Alot of people say it gives performance on par with a 7800K processor without the GPU components. Ah well, I didn't spend a crapton on the 5800K so I think I know what I'm aiming for with my next paycheck. May be 100mhz slower, but it'll run cooler and it seems easier to overclock, so I should have no problem boosting it to a 4.0ghz. The only reason I didn't bump the 5800K's clock up is that it runs hot, even with three fans pointed at it and the exhaust fan right beside it to draw air through the heatsink. Thanks for the advice guys.

dragoon20005 4 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

yes the 860K will indeed be a better buy for you next paycheck

also that PSU needs to go ASAP

they are just as bad as Raidmax PSU which blows up in your face and kills your PC

not cool :(

if you really want a silent but cool case

look at bigger brands from like CoolerMaster but look at the N400 or N600 models which have tons of vents for fan mounting and also has a case window and lots routing hole for the cables

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

You know, for years it's always been a crap shoot when buying PSU's. You can sometimes get one that is built in Malaysia that definitely will go boom and you'll sometimes luck out and get one that's actually not built in China and perform fairly well. I've used Cooler Masters for years and I seem to have been blessed as far as buying good silicone goes.

I'll never buy Raidmax as everything about the screams cheaply built, though a secondary option I'd pay for is a Rosewill PSU. Those suckers have proven pretty stable over the years as well.

I'm just really kicking myself over not getting the Athlon when I started this build. Something told me I should have done that, but the A10 sported a 100Mhz more processor and was roughly the same price at that time.

dragoon20005 4 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

yea

so far from my observation

the A10 are slightly harder to OC than pure CPU chips because the iGPU is still drawing power even if you have a dGPU.

some reported a lower voltage of 0.15v just for the same speed on the 860K than on the A10

if you ask me

you can repurpose the A10 to be a HTPC build

and the 860K for pure gaming build

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

That's kind of what I was thinking to be honest. Scoop the old board out, put it in one of the micro atx cases I have laying around, cool it with my spare arctic silver CPU fan, order a couple 120mm fans to put into the machine and along with a harddrive and my spare Windows 7 installation and boom! instant HTPC. The Ram requirements won't be too high for that, so I'll just strip the 2 GB stick out of the main build and put it in the HTPC as I plan to order another stick of 8 GB team elite anyways. Team Elite's sticks seem to perform really well and aren't high profile, so no obstruction from the CPU fan.

dragoon20005 4 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

good idea

i made a HTPC out of the Q6600 CPU i got from my buddy

my main PC is a QX6800

MKC 1 point 47 months ago

A good resource for PSU finding is http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Also, don't worry that much about the proccessor. It isn't going to bottleneck your 290X THAT bad (probably a little, but hardly what people may think) and you can always upgrade to something better later on.

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

Yeah, I haven't noticed much of a bottleneck at all to be honest. The only thing I don't like is I got low scores on Cinebench 11, while 3DMark 2015 gave me high mid range specs on the graphics end. It seemed to have problems whenever it went into the physics portions of the test, which I understand are the CPU intensive parts. Which means that yes, I'm being bottlenecked, but not in a way I'll notice in most games I play.

Still, I'm going to "downgrade" to the Athlon X4 860 3.7Ghz and see about Overclocking it to an even 4.0 Ghz so at least I'll get a boost out of it. I think I need to rearrange my heatsink anyways as one nice thing about the air cooler I got, I can reposition this sumbitch as needed.

6thcousin 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

Preface: I like this build but it would be cool to see the inside

           The cpu doesn't really make sense in this build as its pretty much as fast as an intel pentium so yeah...
                The cooler is good
                Thermal paste really doesnt matter unless you are trying to get some insane 4.8 ghz overclock
                The motherboard is good but you have the best amd cpu for that socket so its not upgradeable at all
                The mixed branding on ram, mixed latency could make some good money selling the gskill and kingston
                The harddrive is good
                The gpu is great as i would say xfx is the evga of amd cards and they look amazing 
                The case is a case so no comment
                The power supply is fine but you could have gotten away with a 650 watt or higher on the 290x http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm (for base requirements)
                The cd drive is great for loading windows and thats it if you want to take it out to save some noise
                The wifi chip is a bit expensive as they are all exactly the same (unless you have google fiber)
                The case fans... really most cases only need 2 one in the front one in the back although i like the pretty colors

I like this build but it would be cool to see the inside(idk why the text is big)

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

Trust me, cable management was a biotch inside this case and it ain't pretty. I'm kind of glad it doesn't have a side window. I tend to use my computers for multiple purposes, so I like having a DVD drive just in case I want to pop a movie on and I don't feel like screwing with the occasional buffer issue when streaming videos on netflix, plus I do have a pretty large DVD collection.

I also came from the school of "The more fans, the cooler it runs" Plus you always need at least one exhaust fan in the case.

As for the power supply, I went for biggest bang for reasonable expense. There actually were cheaper options, but I stick to brands that haven't failed me in the past. That logic is why I've used AMD since 1999 as my primary CPU option. Intel's have routinely crapped the bed on me, so I don't bother with them no matter how much I get ragged on for it. I have yet to have one AMD CPU fail. (Knock on wood). If it works for you, great, more power to you.

Also I've had no issues with the ram or anything of that nature. It works perfectly. As I stated in the description - This rig handles Skyrim with 241 mods, a ton of them being high res beautification patches. I do need an SSD, however, as Skyrim is slow loading as a result of all my mods.

6thcousin 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

:) I like amd too I just like them equally I should have recommended an amd fx cpu but once you buy one you are stuck with it so no use do long that

Everything you said makes sense and I already gave you a +1 on the build but I would go for the +2 if I could

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

I could always buy a new board. Thing is... FX CPU's are both expensive and really power use intensive. I'd have to get a liquid cooled rig to run some of those chips safely, especially the 280W and up ones. The FM2+'s are still being developed and as I said in a previous post, AMD looks to be sticking with FM2+ CPU's down the road. They'll probably have more powerful APU combos down the road. For now, if you go with FM2+, go with the Athlon option as it seems to be a better performer.

6thcousin 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

I have the fx 6300 in my rig with the same type of cooler you have and mine is overclocked to 4.0ghz and if I were to upgrade I would either go intel (boring) or wait for and zen and buy a new mb and gpu but yeah fm2+ is sticking around you might actually have the right idea

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

At least it seems like that. Hopefully AMD doesn't pull an Intel and start just pulling new sockets out it's @$$ every few months to make us pay for Mobo and CPU combos everytime we upgrade. One of the reasons I really like AMD is that they will stick out a socket type for awhile and tweak the living hell out of it until they achieve good results, only abandoning them when they simply cannot perform anymore. Let's just say I was really sad when the Socket AM2 platform was abandoned due to that reason.

Stupidmouth 2 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

RAM from 3 different manufacturers...

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

Beggars can't be choosers bro, plus they are all 1600 and their Latency matches up perfectly. Hell the 8 & 4 are running dual channel despite their different sizes. I do intend to get this thing with 8's across the board, but for now this pleases me.

YinYang1st 2 Builds 1 point 44 months ago

Did you need to do anything in particular to get the CPU to work with your Motherboard? PPP has a compatibility note for the two: "Some AMD A78 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Kaveri CPUs."

stisaac 0 points 41 months ago

Lol, do you even know what that means?! All he needed to do if anything was go to the motherboard site, download a new bios onto a usb flash drive, then flash the new bios onto the motherboard.

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deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 46 months ago

I hear you bro. I didn't follow my gut instinct and went for the Ghz and price. At the time, I was only paying a little bit more for the A10-5800K than I would have for the Athlon x4 860k and gotten a 100Mhz more in the trade off. Now, it looks like I'll using the A10-5800K for an HTPC in the near future.

Charmin 1 point 46 months ago

The term bottleneck is too overused and frequently is incorrectly used. It's when a part in your system isn't able to keep up with one or more parts because something is too fast and strong, or something is too slow. In this case the bottleneck is big, but it isn't always there. The bottleneck will only appear when playing CPU intensive games like Skyrim and Arma. Whenever you play games that have a lot of mods (Skyrim, Arma, Gmod) or a game with big multiplayer servers (Battlefield genre) or games like GTA where the physics have been tweaked and the engine focuses on physics like the rag dolls, which are both CPU and GPU intensive, you will see a bottleneck. If you play graphically bound games like Call of Duty, racing games, or even Witcher 3, then there isn't going to be a bottleneck. One way to reduce a bottleneck is to overclock, but the bottleneck won't go away and it'll still be there no matter what, albeit still being a smaller bottleneck.

deadthing79 submitter 1 Build 1 point 46 months ago

That's the wierd part. Skyrim plays like a charm for me. The only time I've noticed bottle necking has been with benchmark software. As I said in previous posts, I run Skyrim with 241 mods, most of them being beautification effects. The only time I see any slowdown is when it's loading a new area and that's because, yeah, it's passing a **** ton of data through a 64MB cache 2TB Sata 6gbs Harddrive. I think alot of that will be negated by the future purchase of an SSD down the road.

If I buy a pure CPU and Overclock it, I'm sure much of the bottle necking will go away and yeah, I hate that term to, but it's just an easy use term.

The vidcard carries this system pretty much from what I've seen it do. I'm sure that without it, it'd be just a cheap pile of silicone in my room.

Again the advice has been particularly invaluable as I have been out of the tech loop for awhile. As I said in a previous post, the only reason I went with Socket FM2+ is the fact that it looks like that's where AMD is headed. They may abandon Socket AM3+ in the not too distant future.