PCPartPicker

  • Log In
  • Register

Build

Operation Blackbriar

by NoahVosen

288
167 Comments

Part List View full price breakdown

Details

Date Published

May 1, 2017

Date Built

May 1, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

4.0GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

32.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

56.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

2.08GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

12.0GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

30.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

50.0° C

Description

Operation Update: A huge thanks to PCPP for the feature! Super friendly community and fantastic site. Very humbled to be considered feature worthy! Let me know if you have any questions about the build or components.


Briefing Commences:

What is Operation Blackbriar? Operation Blackbriar started as an NEAT surveillance program. It is now the umbrella program for all our black-ops. Full envelope intrusion, rendition, experimental interrogation - it is all run out of this office. We are the sharp end of the stick now. Lethal action? If we have to, sure. That's what makes us special. No more red tape. - Noah Vosen

Operation Objectives:
1) Replace aging i7-970 6 core / 3.2 GHz, with at least 8 core CPU
2) Replace aging GTX 590
3) Implement custom water cooling loop, balance of overclocking and quiet

Operation Outcomes:
1) Ryzen 1800X running at 4.0GHz overclock, stable up to approx. 4.05GHz (waiting more stable BIOS for DDR4 overclocking)
2) GTX 1080 Ti running at 2.075GHz / 6GHz

Benchmark Score Comment
Heaven Dx11 4.0 (@ 3440x1440 Ultra) 2098 FPS 83.3
3DMark Timespy v1.0 10041 Better than 96% of all results
3DMark Sky Diver v1.0 36872 Better than 97% of all results
PCMark Home Conventional 3.0 4776 Better than 99% of all results
Cinebench R15 1684

3) Watercooling thermal results (CPU / GPU Temperatures Above Ambient, Celsius)
a. Load results using FurMark Stress Test @ 2560x1440 for 1 hour
b. Temperatures +/- 2'C
c. Pump speed tested at 30%/50%/70%/100%, only ~2'C difference

State Fan Speed % CPU GPU
Idle 30% +7'C +5'C
Idle 100% +5'C +3'C
Load 30% +46'C +40'C
Load 50% +41'C +33'C
Load 70% +34'C +27'C
Load 100% +31'C +25'C
Load, Side Off 30% +43'C +36'C
Load, Side Off 100% +27'C +20'C

Operation History:

2 March: Ryzen 1800X announced
11 March: GTX 1080 Ti pre-order available
24 March: Parts arrive, motherboard unstable, replacement motherboard ordered
31 March: Replacement motherboard arrives, appears stable
2 April: Windows fails to boot, 2 of the 4 DDR4 sticks identified as faulty, replacement kit ordered
28 April: Replacement DDR4 arrives, tested as working
1 May: System build complete, operation successful

Operation After Action Report:

See component reviews for individual mission performance.

Appendix 1: Significant early adopter challenges experienced with CPU, motherboard, RAM. While these will most likely be resolved with time, it certainly added material effort and delays to the build process which negatively impact customer satisfaction.

Appendix 2: Hard line water cooling setup had a number of challenges including: 1) top mount 240mm radiator had to be offset to the rear to allow the front mount outlets to be placed at the top, this resulted in only 4 of the 8 top mount screws being able to be used. 2) EKWB PWM radiator / pump combo still uses molex power, should really update these to use SATA power.

Appendix 3: Finding a coolant that would look good both when the system was off, and on, was hit and miss. First up was the PrimoChill Steel Blue, but it ended up being practically black inside the system (maybe designed for a white theme?). Then the Koolance Fluorescent Blue and this worked beautifully, giving a nice solid blue in both settings.

Appendix 4: Side mission to secure an RGB hub to replace the 2x RGB Y-splitter cables failed. Purchased Silverstone LSB01 arrived with custom connectors that apparently only work with Silverstone RGB strips. No alternative suppliers have yet been found. Mission scrubbed.

Appendix 5: Samsung 960 Evo originally failed to detect in Bios and Windows installer. Solution identified as re-seating the NVMe drive, installing Windows, which then resulted in drive being detected in BIOS.

Appendix 6: As I can't review the Ergotech Freedom HD monitor arm directly (shows as a custom part), I wanted to call out here how excellent it is. It can handle up to 30 lbs (X34 is only 16), and saves a huge amount of desk space. The only 'cons' for it is the clamping mechanism should really have two threaded screws (left and right), rather than one central screw. As the way it is if the arm is off to the side, the whole assembly tilts quite a bit, potentially damaging the desk.

Appendix 7: While all chassis devices now sync via ASUS Aura Sync, the software appears unstable at times, with a hard power off losing settings, and randomly the Trident RGB losing sync. Will continue to monitor and assume later versions of Aura will resolve.

Appendix 8: Ongoing challenges in acquiring a replacement Displayport cable for the Acer X34. Original cable works fine, but is only 5 ft in length. 3 separate longer cables have been tried with mixed results, but ultimately all show a ‘no signal’ error. Will wait for certified Displayport 1.3+ cables to be available and try again.

Appendix 9: Custom modifications were required on the PSU shroud to oclude the cables inside. A thin piece of black craftwood was shaped and is held in by friction. Additionally the chassis border on the bottom and left sides is very narrow and results in a lot of light strip bleed, so thin pieces of black cardboard were inserted to provide a more pleasing visual effect.

Part Reviews

CPU

Overall:
Was looking for a CPU that could perform well today and be future proofed for the next few years. Kabylake 4 core was a bit underwhelming, and the X99 intel chips were overpriced. Ryzen offered great performance / cores per dollar, at the expense of some early adopter issues.

Pros:
1) 8 cores for much less than the equivalent Intel CPU!

Cons:
1) Overclocking on the 1800X should be far better than the 1700X and 1700 but isn't. Also overclocking maxes out with the CPU running at ~55'C, well within any thermal limit.
2) The 20'C offset on CPU temperatures is annoying when designing a quiet system (PWM uses the CPU temperature as a control point, and the PWM % maxes out at CPU of 80'C, which is only 60'C for Ryzen).
3) Overall early adopter teething issues / AMD rushing the product out

Motherboard

Overall:
Being a long time ASUS ROG enthusiast, the Crosshair 6 was the natural fit for the Ryzen CPU. The early adopter issues have been quite frustrating to deal with, and that's coming from someone who's built PCs for 20 years and often gotten in early on new releases!

Pros:
1) ASUS / ROG brand, utilities and quality
2) RGB Auro sync / board looks great

Cons:
1) AMD rushing the Ryzen out, Asus had 2 weeks to get the boards ready! Stability issues, should be sorted within a few months.
2) Availability early on, makes RMAs very painful
3) Overclocking / AMD / DDR4, all very immature and unknown how it will pan out
4) Would love to have been able to wait for the ROG Code / Formula / Extreme, where are they? :)

Memory

Overall:
Looking for some good high speed RAM for the Ryzen, and these looked the part. Can't get them to overclock above 2400 so far, but hopefully AMD / ASUS sort the issues out before long. Not a fan of buying FlareX / AMD spec'd RAM, lower speed for the same price.

Pros:
1) Looks great
2) Price is reasonable for what it is

Cons:
1) Overclocking with AMD is very immature, and unknown how it will pan out
2) Synching with Aura is a bit flakey, hopefully will stabilise

Storage

Overall:
The super fast Samsung NVMe drives are very nice. Was looking at the Pro series, but reviews were that the performance was not detectable in day to day use, so the Evo got the approval. 1TB means I don't need any other drives in the system, so cuts down on cable clutter as well.

Pros:
1) Huge size, super fast
2) Price is reasonable for what it is

Cons:
1) Had to re-seat the drive before Windows / BIOS would detect it

Video Card

Overall:
Being a water cooled build, I wasn't worried about getting a 3rd party overclocked card with better fans, so the Founder's Editions were the way to go. Being an ASUS motherboard, I got the ASUS FE to go with it. I plan to sell the card when the 11 series GTX (or 20 series) comes out. Overclocks quite well +175 / +500, and runs cool on water even under full load for hours (+30'C above ambient).

Pros:
1) Super fast, huge memory
2) With EKWB water cooling it runs at +30'C over ambient under full load, overclocked!

Cons:
1) Nvidia making a mess of the market with all the releases of different models! (e.g. Titan X Pascal > Titan Xp Pascal)
2) Coil whine is annoying, hopefully it goes away after a while

Case

Overall:
Probably the hardest choice for this build (besides the CPU), was looking for a clean mid range case with lots of glass and good support for water cooling. Other contenders were the Phanteks Evolve, Inwin 909, Thermaltake View 31. While the Evolve was a bit larger, the air flow was not great. Similarly the Inwin looked great, but I would have needed to mod it a fair bit. The Corsair was a great middle ground and looks amazing built.

Pros:
1) Tempered glass everywhere, looks amazing
2) Nice medium size allows for 2x radiators (360mm and 240mm)
3) Great airflow, probably the best of the tempered glass cases so far

Cons:
1) Supplied RGB fans are not Aura Sync (or MSI, etc.) compatible, which means you are paying for them but have to swap them out anyway, should be an option for 'no fans'. Similarly the supplied RGB hub only works with Corsair SPL120, not even other Corsair RGB fans, seems poorly conceived.
2) Quite a few air gaps around the case (see OC3D review), which means you need to run the case on positive air flow so that all incoming air goes through the dust filters
3) PSU shround should have had top grommets for motherboard cables as well as a supplied interior shield to hide the cables
4) The 4x thumb screws for each glass panel are a bit 2016, should upgrade to a slot / release mechanism such as some cases are now doing (NZXT?)
5) Front I/O needs USB 3.1 type C, and preferrably pass through video for VR
6) Would suggest getting rid of the front I/O RGB controller and going software only
7) Front lower Corsair logo and side PSU corsair logo are illuminated white, with no option to change. Should come with RGB LEDs at least to swap out, if not true RGB. Also side Corsair logo requires molex power, very annoying.

Case Fan

Overall:
Was looking for RGB fans that worked with Aura Sync, and these seemed to be the only ones on the market.

Pros:
1) Works great, very quiet (could be quieter given that I'm running them at 30%)
2) Works with Asus Aura Sync

Cons:
1) Initially had them plugged into the NZXT Grid+ v2, but the Grid is designed for higher voltage PWM fans, and thus the MasterFans kept dropping in and out, was hard to troubleshoot
2) Would be good if the RGB had its own separate power, as the MasterFans piggy back off the PWM power

Monitor

Overall:
As a replacement for a Dell U3011, I was looking at either the Acer X34 or ASUS PG348Q. Reviews were that they were basically identical, so when the X34 came on sale for $200 off, it was an easy purchase. I would have liked to get HDR, but that seems to be a year away yet. The 27" HDR monitors have just appeared and indications are they'll be $2000, yikes.

Pros:
1) Nice size (could be larger)
2) Great resolution + refresh (100Hz) + GSync
3) Ambient lighting is nice

Cons:
1) Supplied Displayport cable is too short (5 ft) and can't find any longer ones that work with the monitor! Have tried 3 so far and all give a 'no signal' error, annoying!

Headphones

Pros:
1) Sounds great, looks great

Cons:
1) Batteries don't seem to last that long (about 10 hours?), with RGB on
2) Gets bad intereference from my nearby wireless printer (when it's printing)

Comments Sorted by:

AdamTheMan26 2 Builds 12 points 2 months ago

Your intro paragraph had me cracking up! Wow what a beauty! Thanks for the pictures and pros and cons for all your parts. I linked your build to my friends because I wanted them to see this work of art. Congrats and gl being featured!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 6 points 2 months ago

Thanks Adam! It's been 2 months of hard work, but we got there in the end.

Lyrix 9 points 2 months ago

WOW!

this is sooooo amazing!!! 1+! looks great! damn! i love it! this has to get featured!!!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 5 points 2 months ago

Thanks Lyrix, glad you like it!

Lyrix 1 point 2 months ago

:D you are welcome!

Lyrix 1 point 2 months ago

you got featured! congrats!!!

steelenoose 6 points 2 months ago

Mmmm baby those BENDS and that TABLE OHHH

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Steelnoose, glad you liked it!

KohnJeffFennedy 4 points 2 months ago

Jesus Christ...

That's Jason Bourne!

CJHDelta 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Jason Bourne...

That's Jesus Christ!

LukeCage12 4 points 2 months ago

Please enter up in setup wars. You would win no problem.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Luke, I've entered the system this week, hopefully it will get a place in the next week or two. :)

LukeCage12 2 points 2 months ago

AYyy. Tell me if you get on.

[comment deleted]
DubiousDeeds 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

Very nice build and setup... feature worthy for sure in my book, +1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

Thanks DubiousDeeds! Glad you liked it.

DubiousDeeds 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

There we go!

tylerhockey123 3 points 2 months ago

Also did you have any trouble fitting in those radiators with the fans?

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Hi Tylerhocker, the front was fine - plenty of clearance (maybe not enough for a 60mm rad), the top was tough as there is minimal room above the motherboard heat shield and the RAM, but as you can see it all fit in the end. Note my comments previously about only being able to screw in 4 of the 8 top screws (fans to fan bracket).

Hellraiserr 3 points 2 months ago

Great job, Great work, looking good, well done soldier you have been successfully recruited in the Elite class of the Black ops. Congrats, your CODE NAMED: NEO.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Hellraiserr, glad you like the build!

crookz_n_castlez 4 Builds 3 points 2 months ago

I'm speechless, so just take my +1.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

Thanks Crookz! Glad you liked it!

Hector1908 3 Builds 3 points 2 months ago

Great work , everything looks amazing . I think you should have go with the Phanteks Evolve even tho the air flow is not great . You are water cooling everything anyway . Where did u get the glass cabinet or is it table on the right side ? Looks awesome .

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Hector, I was definitely keen on the Evolve, and the decision could have gone either way. I do run the fans very slow (30%, about 700 RPM) so I was worried about the air flow on the Evolv.

As far as the cabinet goes, it is from Ikea, part of their Besta series. Cost about $650 AUD. I like how it has the smoked glass front doors, glass shelves, and I can leave the back off of the equipment unit for heat exhaust. :)

sto1vall 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

Awesome build and write up! Thanks, for sharing your experience.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks sto1vall!

Daumq 3 points 2 months ago

TAKE MY +, actually take all of them !

By the way , from where can I get that desk? It's extremely good looking + big enough :)

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Daumq! I've had this desk for ages, probably 10 years, and I've completely forgotten what model or where I got it. I actually looked around recently for another one the same and couldn't find one! Sigh.

Daumq 1 point 2 months ago

sigh, thanks anyway ! May the frame rates be high and temps low!

Do.mini.ck 3 points 2 months ago

First of all, beautiful build, great use of the crystal case. Also love seeing an M.2 SSD on a motherboard, what kind of speeds are you seeing from it? Overall, great PC although from what you described was hoping more from the 1800X than sheer price. +1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Hi Dominick, glad you liked it!

Speeds for the 960 Evo below using CrystalDiskMark 5.2.1 x64:

Test Read [MB/s] Write [MB/s]
Seq Q32T1 7601 6742
4K Q32T1 684.5 462.0
Seq 8224 11061
4K 425.8 310.6

Agree re the 1800X, some reviewers have suggested the 1700 / 1700X that are performing as well are due to them actually being binned as 1800X, but sold under the cheaper model numbers!

Do.mini.ck 2 points 2 months ago

Congrats on being featured!! Well worth it.

dkatherton 2 Builds 3 points 2 months ago

I really really like this build. Feels damn good right?

+1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Dkatherton!

mcgoff360 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

looks very nice !! love the coolant coloring and the power cabling, very clean looking

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Mcgoff!

Wi1dCard2210 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

Hey! An Aura compatible fan! I've been looking for one all over!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Haha, they are crazy hard to get, and from what I can see there's no real reason for that. The good news is the Coolermaster Air Balance RGB works just fine. If you're going for a few though (such as the 6 in my build), have a think about how you're going to wire them up. There are still no good RGB hubs on the market. Coolermaster say they've got one coming sometime.

Wi1dCard2210 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

yeah I did some looking and can't find any rgb ones... a great fan with great lighting shouldn't be this hard to find :(

DominicBoccella 3 points 2 months ago

Dude #Logitech is good, Nice build too

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Hi Dominic, I was using Razer before, but overall the reviews for the Logitech gear seemed slightly better. Have to say I've been very happy with all the Logitech gear in the month or so I've had it.

DominicBoccella 2 points 2 months ago

I Use Logitech too I got there G910, G900, And G933.

Kardude77 3 points 2 months ago

This..... Blows my mind! I love it! +1! Side question: Do you like the G810? I was thinking of upgrading my G510 in the future, get me some of them G-Romer keys.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

Hi Kardude, glad you like it!

The G810 is great. I was waiting for the TKL version, but it was taking forever to come out in Aus, and went ahead with the G810 when it was on special. It's a lovely fast, quiet, mechanical, and obviously the RGB matches everything else, haha!

SirMints 2 Builds 3 points 2 months ago

It's builds like these and a clear commitment to the community on here that have me coming back to PCPP over and over.

Great build man. Your enthusiasm is righteous.

Commendations on your mission soldier! +1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks SirMints!

WirelessCables 1 Build 3 points 2 months ago

Your description makes the build even more worthwhile. Nice job!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Wireless, glad you liked it!

WirelessCables 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Sure!

xTHExRADxREXx 2 points 2 months ago

from cable management to colors to everything else there is nothing else to say but BEAUTIFUL 10/10 AMAZING congrats on the feature build you 100% diserve it

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks RadRex!

xTHExRADxREXx 1 point 2 months ago

but here's the real question...

IS It FULLY RGB

RGB IS LIFE

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Hi RaxRex, RGB parts listed below:

Motherboard: Yes
RAM: Yes
Case Fans: Yes
Case LED Strips: Yes
Monitor: Yes
Keyboard / Mouse: Yes
Headset: Yes

Case: No (silly Corsair!)
PSU: No
Waterblocks: No
Mouse Mat: No

xTHExRADxREXx 1 point 2 months ago

yet it stays on purple/blue pulse-ate that s... stuff

Cokeman00 2 points 2 months ago

Amazing build man. Only comment I have is about the point you made that you got a founders edition because you were just going to watercool it, so you didn't need the bigger cooler. While that is true, it may still have been worth going with an aftermarket card to get upgrade power phases so you can push more power to the card for even further overclocking. EK makes waterblocks for almost all of the aftermarket cards nowadays so you would of been fine. That's my only comment man, either than that great job.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Cokeman, that's definitely true. I was just not patient enough to wait for enough 3rd party cards to come out and wait for reviews and then availability in Australia. Very happy with how the ASUS FE is performing, and overclocks much better than the 1800X as well. :)

AION-MC EKWB 18 Builds 2 points 2 months ago

This is beauty <3

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Glad you liked it Aion-MC!

ChaosEchelon 2 points 2 months ago

Excellent build and well deserved feature. Also, thanks for listing your headset holder as they often get overlooked. I've been after one for a while and the Luxa2 looks ideal.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Chaos! There were some nicer ones like the SilverStone EBA01S, but for the price I'm very happy with the Luxa.

Raphen 2 points 2 months ago

Hi great build! Looking at the pictures closer I would swear the tubing and metal tube fittings were custom made. The tubing lines are very well done. Does the liquid go the opposite way being in AUS? hehe =p My question is about your desktop image. Is that art, a program, game or ...? Thanks.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Raphen, glad you like the build!

Good question on the desktop image, I was trying to find something to go with the Blackbriar theme, and the best I found was out of the game Deus Ex Mankind Divided, so I took a screen shot and it worked out pretty well.

craterking456 2 points 2 months ago

Nice build, this deserved to be featured! Thanks for your in-depth review of all the parts, it was very helpful! :D

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Craterking, glad you found it all helpful! Researching all the parts and then troubleshooting all the various quirks was a royal PITA, so I'm happy if I can share my experiences with others!

jsunter91 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

This is as close to perfect as I've ever seen! Both your build and the room/battlestation looks so clean and stylish.

Congrats on the feature man, must have been a no-brainer for the mods :)

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Jsunter! Very glad you liked it. :)

thederpyderpman857 2 points 2 months ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)GREAT( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)BUILD( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)MAN!( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Ricardo_Nixon 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Amazing cable management! Good job for cable managing in the un-cable-manageable case! Looks amazing. You'll be future proof for the next 20 years. +1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Ricardo, glad you liked it! The lack of SSD / HDD certainly helps. The cabling for the 6 fans PWM + RGB was a mess, and I had to cover it up. Plus not happy that the case requires a molex power cable for the PSU LED (tempted to leave it off), and the EKWB pump requires molex too, bleh.

guitari 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Noah, I've been on this site for awhile, and use it religiously. I've seen a ton of "Featured Builds" throughout my time here, but this is the first time that I have been thoroughly impressed enough to actually care to write a comment. So Noah, FANTASTIC job!

First, you did all the right things with your build:

1) Excellent components were chosen (you chose the same things I would have and you water-cooled) 2) Excellent build quality & cable mgmt. Aesthetics are off the charts! 3) Excellent quality photos 4) And here's what I loved the most...you took the time to give pros/cons to every major component you used. And in summary, this tells me that you are not a lazy person, and that you are here to benefit this community. This has been a build that I will remember.

Second, congratulations on getting this PC. I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy your new build and I'm happy for you

Third, I have some questions:

1) Assuming that you are primarily a gamer If you had to do the build all over again, would you go Intel? If so, what processor? I'm asking as I am having a huge battle within myself, as I have read similar feedback as yours in many builds. In summary, even though gamers multi task and can take advantage of the 1800X (and it's a great chip), gamers should move towards the 7700k to avoid the headaches and take advantage of the extra performance in games. I'm not soliciting for anyone else's opinion here, I only want Noah's. Thanks

2) What's the purpose of the water cooled valve in the bottom right hand corner of the case (in photo). I'm assuming it's to drain the system so later you can refill, but I don't like assuming, so please tell.

3) If you have water-cooled in the past, and if you have water-cooled with a different manufacturer, how has your experience been with EKWB's products? And if you used their configurator to purchase your parts, are you satisfied? a) Positive Experience - Superior performance, aesthetics, hassle-free, etc. b) Indifferent Experience - Same experience as their competitors (XSPC, Alphacool, etc) c) Negative Experience - Even if it's slightly negative to full hatred. And please elaborate what you would do differently in your water cooling setup, and why.

I apologize for asking these questions and for you having to take the time out of your day (that you would more likely prefer to spend playing). Your experience will greatly influence my build, therefore I value your opinion. Thank you for sharing

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Guitari,

Thanks for the kind words! Very happy to be able to contribute to the community. :)

1) Yes, primarily a gamer. From a pure performance perspective, I'd very happily go Ryzen 7 again. I was definitely tempted to go the 7700K route, but I've always been a fan of 'more cores', and some reviews I saw showed the 7700K was maxing out all 4 cores already in some games, thus for future proofing I was reluctant to go 4 cores (previous PC was 6 cores already). The early adopter issues were certainly more painful that I expected, but hopefully anyone building a PC today would have far fewer issues. The other option would have been a 6900 or 6950, but the prices are just crazy (+900/+1600 AUD).

2) Yes, it's a drainage port. I've since read some people building without reservoirs / drainage ports, and I'd be keen to try something like that next time for ultra-clean aesthetics.

3) Unfortunately this is my first custom loop, so I can't answer from a prior experience perspective. Previously I've been a big fan of AIO closed loops, and they've been great, but I wanted to up the ante this time. That being said I was a fan of EKWB from their configurator and reviews of their products. The compression fittings are mostly Primochill, which are often regarded as the most reliable for this, and having used them I'd definitely use them again. What I would do differently: Having done a ton of research into the loop before hand, not much. The afore mentioned drainage loop / reservoir perhaps. Offsetting the lower stretch of the loop (reservoir to GPU) to the left using an additional right angled fitting (so it didn't occlude the reservoir). Otherwise I'd probably go for a more 'project' oriented case next time (like the Inwin 909).

guitari 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Sincere thank you Noah on providing your insight! I know you've probably been busy all day responding to the wonderful comments/questions on here, and I really appreciate your feedback which will help me do my build :) I'll send you a personal message when it's completed, take care!

ImperiousBattlestar 2 points 2 months ago

Great build, the loop looks like a piece of art. Great pictures, too. +1 :)

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Imperious!

bmccarthy8989 7 Builds 2 points 2 months ago

+1 for using RGB for its intended purpose instead of unicorn poop.

Build is bad *** too.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks BMC! Glad you liked it. :)

TheDivineOnyX 2 points 2 months ago

HELP HOW DID YOU HIDE THE PSU LIKE THAT

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi DivineOnyx,

I cut out a thin piece of black craftwood I had handy. It fits into the front opening of the PSU cover nicely and I think it looks great.

TheDivineOnyX 1 point 2 months ago

Thank you i definitely need to do this!! +1 for one of the best builds i think i've ever seen and lightning fast replies! :)

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

No worries DivineOnyx, glad you liked the build!

yazis 2 points 2 months ago

Very illuminating and well written summation. Thanks for taking the time.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Yazis! Very glad you liked it. :)

tylerhockey123 1 point 2 months ago

How did you mount your pump/resevoir? Btw great build! Im going to be building a custom loop in the 570x soon.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Tylerhocker, it's screwed to the rear wall. The EKWB pump / res combo comes with an anti-vibration ring mount. Glad you liked the build!

crich88848 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Don't know how long you need for a Display Port cable, but I'm using this one with my EVGA 1080 FTW and an ACER X34 with no issues.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005H3Q59U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Crich, I was looking around 10 feet, so that I could wire it through the monitor arm. The supplied 5 feet one is just crazy short (as many reviewers have pointed out). I saw a nice Fusion4K one on Amazon, but shipped to Australia would have been like $100. So I'm just going to live without for the moment.

crich88848 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

I wonder if the attenuation at that length is just too great. Per the specs, it says it should be able to handle 4k up to 15feet, although it doesn't give corresponding frequency ranges.

maestro35 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

I might as well give up now.

Holy hell.

shadowcrafter01 2 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

beautiful cable management

wow

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Shadowcrafter, the lack of SSD / HDD certainly helps! I had to hide the RGB / PWM cables as they were a nightmare!

blue_dreamer 1 point 2 months ago

Awesome build! Looks incredible - where/how did you learn to set up water cooling so nicely?! Rigid tubing fits flawlessly

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Glad you like it blue_dreamer! I spent a lot of time researching the routing for the water cooling, cases, radiators, and finding the nicest look with the best air flow, certainly wasn't easy!

FreeWayPineapple 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

How has the x34 been for you? I got one and I had scan lines at 100hz and now I am noticing very small horizontal grey lines on the screen. Are you experiencing something similar?

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi FWP, no, no issues with the X34 (besides the Displayport cable issues I mentioned). It runs fine at 100 Hz with no scan lines / grey lines, and the general quality seems great. I have heard that not all of them will hit 100 Hz, and it sounds like you have one of those, perhaps consider an RMA?

FreeWayPineapple 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

I think I am just going to return it and pick up the z35p when it supposedly releases at the end of May.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi FWP, the Z35P looks nice, and overclocks up to 120Hz. I'm waiting for the next round of ultrawide with HDR, in the 35-40" range. Maybe in 2018...

dragoon20005 3 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

the Acer X27 HDR looks to be the killer deal for a G-Sync 4K HDR monitor with 99% Adobe RGB.

damn what a good time to be alive.

my two HP and Philips monitor has died so i have no displays to use my PC

FreeWayPineapple 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

By the way, what is the rgb code for the blue on the motherboard and ram. It looks perfect!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi FWP, it's just the dark blue preset. The Aura Sync software doesn't give you RGB numbers.

C.higgins23 1 point 2 months ago

Operation get featured: success! +1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks C.higgins! Was not expecting that!

MuchLinux6500 2 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

Wow! This build is Amazing!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks MuchLinux!

dragoon20005 3 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

so i guess your max OC is 4GHz?

some buddy of mine with the same mobo and CPU for 4.2GHz is the 1800X with a air cooler!

Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4

115MHz base clock

2.933GHz for the ram

he was using only 2 sticks of RAM

so you might want to try with just two sticks and see if you can go higher

1.4V is like the max suggested volts for the CPU on all cores

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Dragoon, 4.0 GHz was an easy stable base, and I'm waiting for the AMD / ASUS bios that better support RAM overclocking before I spend too much time tweaking it. Hopefully I'll be able to get to 4.1, but I don't think my chip will get to 4.2. Silicon lottery I guess.

dragoon20005 3 Builds 2 points 2 months ago

the Crosshair BIOS is now able to support 3200MHz after the initial complains of the RAM getting stuck at 2133MHz and 2666MHz

now has since been resolved

and most 1800X may or may not need high volts to hit 4.1GHz

some suggest 1.375V to 1.4V but temps will shoot up and the temp offset isnt helping unless the BIOS has been tweaked to compensate the 20 degree offset.

I also plan to jump on the Ryzen 7 1800x if not for the loans to repay back

will def see how the RX Vega stacks up

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Dragoon, yes I was reading about the 1107 BIOS last night, seems they are definitely making good progress. I'm hearing Vega will only compete with 1070/1080, but fingers crossed they can pull something out. Definitely need more competition at the high end.

dragoon20005 3 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

awesome

if possible you can try the BIOS and see if it works for you

hopefully you can get 4.1GHz at stock volts

SeanTXK 3 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

Flat out stunning! Great build

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Sean!

islandg@m3r 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Awesome build man, if i could give +5 I would. Can't wait till I finish saving up the money for upcoming build choices, and I am torn between 2 possible builds that I put together xD =(

One with 1600 Ryzen R5 with GALAX Hall Of Fame 1080 that is White/Blue theme -$1700 total for all the parts https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mWpqyf

Or the one with 1600X R5 with Black Elite EVGA 1080ti FTW3 that is Black/Turquoise/White theme -$2210 total for all parts https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VQYJXH

Hopefully I can choose one soon because these decisions are killing me LOL

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Islandg, glad you like it!

Regarding your two builds, I'd suggest maybe the first one, but drop 16GB ram and use the money to get the 1080 Ti instead. All depends what you're going to use it for of course.

islandg@m3r 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

No problem Noah, thx for your input, I will mainly be doing some content creation,video editing, bench-marking and gaming. I have the 32gb kit for the 1600X build mainly because it is an exact kit RGB wise MSI said works for that Mobo and the fact that the RAM kit goes on sale frequently, I've seen it as low as 279.99 which is roughly 100bucks cheaper than its regular price. Another reason is the fact this build has 3 dif colors, and I was planning to have 2 of the 4 ram sticks white and the other 2 turquoise to mach color scheme which is black/turq/white

For the cheaper 1600 R5 build that you recommended, the reason I didn't put 1080ti on that one is because: 1. I think the HOF GALAX 1080 is the only all white 1080 around, and the theme is white and blue, which fits perfectly, and its clocked significantly higher than regular 1080s. 2.Though I have always been an EVGA supporter for as long as I can remember, the 1080ti Custom ELite version only makes faceplate white but back-plate remains black, which will conflict with white/blue theme. I could get a custom back-plate but that's extra 30-40 bucks =(

I considered the HOF 1080ti that comes out later this month....have you seen that beast??? Even though that monster is sexy AF it takes 3 frikin' 8-pins and I'm sure it will be well over 800 when both GALAX regular HOF 1080ti comes out as well as the Limited edition 1080ti HOF. Look at this overkill:

http://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/hof/galax-geforcer-gtx-1080-ti-hof-le.html - HOF 1080ti Limited

http://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/hof/galax-geforcer-gtx-1080-ti-hof.html - Regular 1080ti HOF

Zelda_ 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

I'm a long standing Intel fan (Absolutely nothing against AMD though, actually doing a client build with the 1800x and really looking forward to it)

I love your decision to go with ASUS Not because I love them too much or anything... They're reliable to the grave and I've never had anything fail from them ever.

This build is exactly what I would do if I had the cash to build one.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Zelda,

Agree, I usually go ASUS for most things, especially motherboards. Though their speed in updating the BIOS for the Z370 hasn't been great (latest BIOS 1002 has been out for about 5 weeks now!).

BogatyrCustoms 1 point 2 months ago

Very well done! The AUD prices are very harsh IMO but very nice build!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks Bogatyr!

Yes, conversion rate plus general Aus mark up is a major pain. Not much we can do though.

Mokey_Blackblood 1 point 2 months ago

This is beautiful.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Mokey, glad you like it!

pegotico 2 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

Just Magnific...

Congrats on the featured.. Well deserved!! +1

Looking for some good high speed RAM for the Ryzen, and these looked the part. Can't get them to overclock above 2400 so far, but hopefully AMD / ASUS sort the issues out before long. Not a fan of buying FlareX / AMD spec'd RAM, lower speed for the same price.

The problem is that if you check asus ram compatibility list for your motherboard, you will see that all the trident Z that are listed as being compatible are the ones with CAS14 which have exactly the same timings as the FlareX. The ones you bought with CAS16 are not listed. The only problem with all the CAS14 trident z is the price but they should perform exactly as the flare x.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/7Y7CmG/gskill-tridentz-rgb-32gb-4-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14q-32gtzr

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Pegotico, that is all very true and yes I did read about the CAS14's after I started the build. In AUD they were about 250 higher, which seemed excessive. I'm hopeful the CAS16 will eventually perform reasonably, perhaps 2866 or 3000, even if they don't get up to 3200. Always hard to decide with a new platform.

pegotico 2 Builds 2 points 2 months ago

Yes!! Even in USD, its more expensive... Have you tried playing around with the timings to see if you can get a higher speed?

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

No, not yet. Waiting for BIOS / community understanding / overclocking guides to get a bit more mature first. Maybe towards the end of May I'll spend a day tweaking everything. :)

EvanRedman 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

AMAZING build!!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks EvanRedman!

LuxUmbra37 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Yo, this build is CLEAN! I need to clean up my desk considerably lol.

+1 on the blue and dem TRIDENT Zs!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks LuxUmbra!

SirHalpin 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

~sees EVO price~ ~spits out coffee~ What a build! Nothing short of the word impressive feels right. +1

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks SirHalpin, glad you liked it!

SirHalpin 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

No you aren't. Because if you were in your office, we'd be having this conversation face to face.

PWJT8D 1 point 2 months ago

I suddenly became very self concious of my own computer... What an awesome build, you have a fine specimen on your desk.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks PW, glad you liked it!

Jackdadog888 2 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

OMG!! WOWZIE!! +1 Just peel off that PLE sticker.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Glad you liked it Jackdadog!

ThinkWithPortals 2 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

Blackbriar, eh? You wouldn't happen to have any involvement with the Thieves Guild, would you?

NitroOG 1 point 2 months ago

Nice what is that vesa mount called?

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi NitroOG,

The Ergotech Freedom HD monitor arm comes with the VESA mount / screws that you need for the Acer X34.

Dromedus 1 point 2 months ago

Wonderful setup!

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Dromedus, very glad you liked it!

videonery 1 point 2 months ago

Would you recommend the Ryzen 1800x for gaming?

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

Hi Videonery,

I am using it for gaming and it performs great!

It really comes down to your budget, the purpose of your build and how many years you need it to perform.

For example if you plan to upgrade again in less than 3 years, I would suggest a 6 core varient Ryzen would be more cost effective. Similarly the 1700/1700X both overclock up to about the same level as the 1800X, so if budget is a concern then these would be more cost effective.

For my purposes I wanted 8 core minimum, and budget wasn't a concern (but not paying Intel 6950 prices!), and I was hoping the 1800X would overclock on water cooling better than the 1700/1700X, which ended up not being the case.

Hope that helps.

Koraxtu 1 point 2 months ago

Awesome build, what table is that?

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Koraxtu, glad you like it!

I've had the table such a long time (2006) that I genuinely don't know what the model. I recently tried to find another one but couldn't find anything similar.

tbrown176 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Inspirational. I love this build. Clean, well thought out and meticulous. I can appreciate the work that went into this. My recent build has been challenging and is still evolving. I had intended to wait for Vega, but that now seems uncertain. In the future I may build in a custom loop and this has given my some ideas.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks Tbrown, glad you liked it! Have started working on my next PC, going to build a full custom chassis this time, ack!

Gaming_Universe 1 point 1 month ago

Have you had any problems with that asus mobo, and is it worth it for the price? nice build btw

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Hi Gaming_Universe, no problems with the CH6 besides the earlier stability issues I had. The Aura Sync software continues to be a bit flaky with the Trident Z RGB Memory, but otherwise all good. Still waiting for the 20'C offset to be fixed in the CPU temperature detection.

Gaming_Universe 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks, I appreciate the response :D

fefbuild 1 point 1 month ago

you win PC part picker... ok? good.

quakeguy 1 point 1 month ago

Hey did you manage to get that ram to go any faster? I'm thinking of buying it

F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR

SwiftCookie 1 point 20 days ago

Yeah any updates on the RAM?? All the issues been fixed? Running at correct clock speeds?

dasprince0090 1 point 18 days ago

Planning my own built.. Is the asus rog vi cross compatible with these g skill trendz 8x4 3200 ddr4 ram ?? Pls help

SwiftCookie 1 point 11 days ago

Look on G.Skill's website, will tell you in each RAM's QVL's if it's compatible with your Mobo.

BlueSonata 1 point 3 days ago

By the way how has overclocking your memory gone now since some time has passed?
Has the bios updates helped at all?

nostrocrompt 1 Build -1 points 2 months ago

Excellent, if somewhat frightening description. +1 for staying in character.

ItsJustTurtles -1 points 2 months ago

funny thing is i got my 1700 at 4ghz on 1.4375v 60c max on my 360mm water3.0 riing

stunt-monkey 1 Build -1 points 2 months ago

Ok so somethings bothering me and I hate to be THAT internet troll but i have to ask...

Why if this was built by yourself does it have a PLE custom build sticker on the front? I may have missed something in the description maybe, or even i'm just being ignorant...

But its bothering me...... sorry......

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Stunt-monkey,

I normally build all my own PCs, but I had heard bad stories with the Ryzen and motherboards dying, etc. And figured I would go with a premium PC builder for the base of this system so that they could mess around with all the RMAs and swapping parts in and out. Very glad I did because sure enough the mobo and RAM both ended up being faulty. Would have added another 4-6 weeks onto the process if I had done it all myself. Just a calculated choice on this one.

thetortuga747 1 Build -1 points 2 months ago

What type of tasks are you planning on using this machine for?

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hi Thetortuga, mainly gaming, office work from home, some software programming, maybe some algorithmic trading when I get back on to that.

norty.jorby 1 Build -1 points 2 months ago

Awesome work,just wished you didn't use amd.

NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Norty!

Besides the early adopter issues I outlined, I've been very happy with the Ryzen. For a dollar per GHz per core basis it's fantastic value, probably $1000 cheaper than the equivalent X99 build.

plzDonateAgame -1 points 2 months ago

When you're so rich even you're wifi router looks like a fighter jet. XD +1

ocyogirrafe -2 points 2 months ago

Man, Don't get this description at all.

[comment deleted by staff]
manirelli staff 8 Builds 2 points 2 months ago

Comments like this are not appropriate for this site.

pegotico 2 Builds 1 point 2 months ago

but what's up with the cheap looking case full of cheap chinese LEDs?

disturbing..

[comment deleted by staff]
[comment deleted by staff]
NoahVosen submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks Salamanderman, glad you liked it!

[comment deleted by staff]