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Raw Cashew Nuts

by oaoleley

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Date Published

Feb. 26, 2017

Date Built

Feb. 10, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

3.5GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

38.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

61.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.24GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

35.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

68.0° C

Description

Delight.

Part Reviews

CPU

Intel disappointed PC builders yet again with their Kaby Lake generation. Their monopoly over the market stagnated CPU development while maintaining prices unjustifiably high. Intel did, however, do something incredibly weird to their Kaby Lake Pentium line up. When I watched in disbelief that Intel had a strange flash of generosity to gift budget builders a 2 core/4 thread Pentium G4560 at around $60 with virtually identical performance to i3's, I knew I had to jump on it as soon as I could.

This CPU lived up to the hype. It keeps up with every basic Windows tasks effortlessly. I've yet to install open world online multiplayer games like BF1 to see how this CPU keeps up, but Bioshock Infinite and Doom on 1080p and Ultra settings are easily running at 100+ fps.

The G4560 proves that Intel can be less greedy when it wants to. The G4560 is basically an i3 but at $50-$110 less. This CPU made not only the entire i3 line up obsolete but also made the $120 gap to the i5's difficult to justify for budget gamers. With the release of AMD's Ryzen R5 CPUs later this year, I expect the i3's and i5's to become even more obsolete if Intel doesn't do some major price cuts.

CPU Cooler

Incredibly quiet and powerful CPU cooler that costs $8 less than the ITX Noctua cooler I was eyeing.

Motherboard

Cheapest ITX motherboard I could find. I had to buy a Skylake CPU, flash this mobo's BIOS, and return the CPU to make the H110M compatible to my Pentium G4560. Was a bit of a hassle but it was definitely worth saving $50 that I would've spent if I went for the H270M, the cheapest Kaby Lake ITX motherboard that was out at the time.

I didn't like how the antenna cables need to be attached to the WiFi card on the board. It took me a good half hour to do so because of my fat fingers and fear of breaking anything. The antennas are very hard to screw in and they still stay a little loose just outside of the IO shield.

Other than the hassle to flash the BIOS with another CPU and the awkward installation of the cables and antennas to the WiFi card, this is a great motherboard and the cheapest for ITX builds.

Memory

I found this to be the cheapest 8GB 2133MHz RAM stick I could find. 16GB is currently overkill for 1080p gaming and basic Windows multitasking. I've never gone over 70% memory usage and it usually hovers around 40-50% with several applications running.

Storage

I've used only SSDs on my computers for the last 5 years and I simply cannot go back to legacy HDDs. This was the cheapest SSD I found at the time. Although 240GB might not seem like much, the speed trade off is worth it for me. Windows boots in a few seconds and any application loads instantly.

Video Card

I am more than impressed with this card. I was considering spending $30 more and going for the MSI RX 480 but I wanted this ITX build to be as cheap as possible. I chose AMD for its price/performance ratio, to use FreeSync on my monitor, and because I dislike Nvidia's business practices.

The MSI RX 470 4GB Gaming X undervolts like a champ and becomes much more efficient using stock frequencies, greatly reducing the required fan speed to maintain 70C under 100% load. I'm using 2000 RPM as target fan speed and the temperature remains stable at 70C. At stock settings without undervolting, I had to use 2400 RPM to maintain the same temperature. This GPU is silent when idle and fans only start spinning at 60C. Because of the small case and the lack of case fans in the GPU chamber, I find the ~58-59C idle temperatures to be higher than I want them to be, sometimes forcing the fans to come on and off repeatedly. I plan on installing two static pressure fans in the GPU chamber to improve idle/load temperatures and play around with overclocking.

[edit: Ditched Wattman for Afterburner, created a better fan curve, and lowered my monitor's refresh rate from 144 to 120Hz for the GPU's memory clock to scale its voltage/frequency according to load as opposed to being locked at 1650MHz. Now at idle I'm at 35C / 0.700V / 1000 RPM and 60-68C / 0.981V / 1600-1800 RPM under load. Installing case fans feels unnecessary now.]

Overall, this is a quiet, powerful, and so far an undervolting beast of a GPU that runs all games I've thrown at it at very high frame rates. Hard to believe I can get this performance for $157. If I had used the MIR, the total cost would've been $137.

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Benchmarks (1080p - Ultra - averages):

DOOM: 120fps

Rise of the Tomb Raider: 60fps

Resident Evil 7: 100fps

Fallout 4: 70fps

Bioshock Infinite: 160fps

Overwatch: 110fps

League of Legends: 220fps

CSGO: 180fps

Case

I love this case. This is my first PC build and I knew I wanted to build an ITX rig. It took me some time to figure out how to manage the cables correctly and remove the small triangular support in the GPU chamber that wasn't allowing me to install my GPU. Once I figured everything out I can say this case fit my needs perfectly. Though I feel that it is maybe $20 more expensive than it should be.

One thing I disliked was the PSU that came with it. It is much noisier than expected. While my CPU and GPU fans are inaudible when system is idle, the PSU makes an audible buzz that drives me a little crazy. Even though the Node 202 + PSU combo did save me some money and build time, if I had to get the parts again I would get the case and PSU separately and put more money into a quieter PSU.

Comments Sorted by:

LeMMingSlayeR 14 Builds 19 points 9 months ago

Cashew trees produce both a fruit ("apple") and a nut, and a valuable oil can be drawn from the nut shell. After the cashew flower blooms, a nut forms. The apple later swells between the nut shell and the stem. It takes two months for the cashew apple to ripen. When harvested, the apple can only keep for twenty-four hours before it begins to ferment. Although the fruit can be used for making many typical fruit products (jellies, jams, juice, wine and liquor), the apple is often discarded, in pursuit of the nut. If processed and stored properly, the cashew nut can be kept for a year or longer.  

Technically, the actual nut is the thick-shelled seed. The outer shell (coat) of the seed contains the poison oak allergen urushiol, and may cause dermatitis in hypersensitive people.

There is a toxic resin inside the shell layer. If the shell is not opened properly, the resin will get on the cashew nut, making it inedible. Most companies steam the shell open at a high temperature, thus cooking the cashew nut inside.  A certain nut producer in Indonesia uses a special technique with specially-designed tools (without using any heat at all) to open the shell cleanly every time without ever exposing the cashew nut to the resin. The raw cashews are much sweeter, tastier, and nutritious than their cooked counterparts.

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 3 points 9 months ago

Most educational thing I've read all day.

+1

LeMMingSlayeR 14 Builds 4 points 9 months ago

And knowing is half the battle.

12345nidal 1 point 9 months ago

Lol

FarawayThrower 4 points 9 months ago

The CPU was such a great choice. The G4560 is only and proven to be 5% less capable than the i3 6100.

maggotshero 10 Builds 4 points 9 months ago

What's crazy is that 5% even fluctuates, its not even an across the board thing. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Intel make i3's obsolete and just make these their entry level CPU's. Because they've obviously been received well.

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Hard to overstate how impressive the $60 G4560 is.

If Ryzen is as sucessful as it's looking to be, Intel will be forced to reinvent itself completely. Either way, a big Intel price cut will be great for consumers but will still ultimately leave a bad taste in consumers' mouths, basically proving their abusive pricing practices.

I also wonder how good and how aggressively priced AMD's APUs will be later this year. They might bring the G4560 some serious competition. But as of right now the G4560 is clearly the budget king.

maggotshero 10 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

I think AMD wins this year if one of the new Ryzen chips is a quad-core cpu with 2 hyper threaded cores for about 75-80 bucks. That would be an absolute steal for what's essentially a six core processor.

LeMMingSlayeR 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

http://www.gamepur.com/news/25823-amd-ryzen-full-product-list-and-leaked-price-starts-129.html#gpimg_0

$129 USD for a quad-core without SMT. Probably still going to be a very good performing CPU as it is the same architecture as the higher-end Ryzen CPUs and clocks at 3.2/3.5ghz. Should have good single and multi-core performance even without hyper-threading. I'm sure at the price point it will annihilate the current Pentium lineup, and probably give almost all the i3 CPUs a run for their money.

Datamatr1x 1 Build 4 points 9 months ago

That mouse pad looks like it was used as a serving dish for powdered donuts.

Nice build. +1

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 4 points 9 months ago

Both my mouse and mouse pad are stupidly old but still powering through their senility.

RedRageTNT 3 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Nice build in that case.

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Thank you :)

ImperiousBattlestar 2 points 9 months ago

Nice name. Great choice of parts. +1 :)

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Raw cashew nuts = best cashew nuts.

ImperiousBattlestar 2 points 9 months ago

Favourite snack, I presume?

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 2 points 9 months ago

Let's just say raw cashew nuts are my PSU.

ImperiousBattlestar -1 points 9 months ago

Why would you say that?

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shreduhsoreus 6 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Don't you hate how mITX boards are so expensive yet you get less features, less potential and less physical materials? Zero logic behind the pricing.

I like this combination. As soon as I saw HT on the new Pentium's I knew what was to come. RX 470 is also really good value.

Dak00ldude 2 points 9 months ago

I think it has something to do with the manufacturing costs. You have to be more delicate when making a smaller case. But still, it is very expensive.

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Completely agree. I still have no idea why mITX boards are so expensive. They should be cheaper if they're smaller and with less features, not more expensive.

The G4560 and the RX 470 feels like the best budget CPU/GPU combination available right now. This kind of performance for ~$200 can't be beat.

DarkusHydranoid 2 points 9 months ago

Cashew nuts are noice.

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Preach.

JheyoDELperu 2 points 9 months ago

very lovely pc.+1

JosephRG14 2 points 8 months ago

Great build, pretty much my build I'm thinking of getting. Is it worth it to buy that motherboard and get the wifi but have to flash the BIOs? Or should I stick with a board that won't need to be flashed but I'd have to stick with an Ethernet cable?

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 2 points 8 months ago

I like the WiFi on this mobo. Other than the terrible installation process, the end result is a very fast and reliable connection, especially when using a 5 GHz connection. If you plan on using WiFi I suggest getting the same ASRock H110M-ITX/ac motherboard. It's the cheapest ITX motherboard for the LGA 1151 socket and not having to mess with a WFi adapter is worth it. If you plan on using Ethernet cable exclusively then just get the ASRock H110M-ITX and save yourself a few bucks.

By now, I would assume that all ASRock H110M-ITX/ac motherboards should be updated with the P7.00 BIOS. ASRock released the update in October 2016. Places that go through their motherboard stocks quickly will most likely have them with the new BIOS. If you happen to get one with an old BIOS just buy the cheapest Skylake CPU, use it to flash your motherboard, and then return it. I bought one off of amazon because of their great return policy. Don't spend $20+ more on a 200 series motherboard.

ElJustice 2 points 7 months ago

Good looking build man. I'd really like to do an ITX build for my next build. It would be super handy to have for LAN parties. I haven't found an answer for how the gpu connects to the mobo like that though. Is it an extension you have to run between the two?

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

The Node 202 comes with a riser card. You connect the riser card to the motherboard then the GPU connects to the riser card from a separate chamber in the case.

I think you'd really like the Node 202. If you have the time and money I suggest getting a better PSU than the one that comes bundled with it.

ElJustice 1 point 6 months ago

Ok cool. And that looks like it fits most graphic card sizes too yeah? Was looking at picking up a gtx 770 for cheap locally and that thing is one long card. Thanks for the tips! GAME ON!

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Yes it should fit. Only the triple fan cards might be a little hard to fit in there. Remember to check the dimensions of the card before getting it.

How much are you paying for a GTX 770?

ElJustice 1 point 6 months ago

I haven't moved on one yet but the there's a Gigabyte GTX 770 for $80 locally. It's been on Craigslist for a couple weeks now so I could maybe get him down a bit. Also if nothing else I can always put in my older 750ti in. It'll do okay.

ssjg5rlly 2 points 1 month ago

Delightful name

Metal48 1 point 8 months ago

Hey dude, did the mobo BIOS come updated?

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 8 months ago

I had to buy a Skylake CPU, flash the BIOS, then return the CPU to Amazon. But this was a few months ago right when Kaby Lake CPU's came out. But right now I find it hard to believe that a place that goes through motherboard stocks quickly won't have ASRock's more recent P7.00 BIOS. The BIOS update is from October. That's about 5-6 months for the motherboard stock to be renewed.

I suggest getting the 100 series mobo from somewhere like Amazon and saving some money. If you're unlucky and get an old BIOS, just buy any Skylake CPU, update the BIOS and then return it. I cleaned it up well and got a full refund in 3 business days.

I'm still wondering why there aren't any budget ITX H210M motherboards yet.

cutwow 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

Does your motherboard have an HDMI port?

oaoleley submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Yes.

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Selicos 2 points 9 months ago

I comes with a 450w SFX PSU that is bronze rated and has short cables. A similar PSU is maybe $50 and the case is rather nice. As a combo it works well for the sale price of $110.

OccamAsylum 10 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Especially at the SFX format price point.

Eltech 17 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

The Kaby Lake's Pentium G4560 is not that far behind in performance of Skylake's i3-6100. It's the most ideal choice for tight budget processors these days to have hyperthreading from a dual-core processor and it's half the price of the i3-6100.

When I saw these Pentiums available online, my price ratio was $60~$65 with no sales taxes. Though I do admit a lot of the processors sold like hotcakes. I got one for $63.84.

Lastly, I do admit... It's awesome to have the first Pentium that has Hyperthreading. A lot of us geeks were dreaming to this day to become a reality to have such a Pentium. I remember some of us were wishing this when the G3258 was so popular for the overclock potentiality, but it hit a wall with some games because it had 2 cores and 2 threads. Now we have 2 cores and 4 threads thanks to the G4560 at such a low price.

maggotshero 10 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

I think had the G3258 had hyper-threading, it would've been one of the best selling processors since its release date. I used one for my grandma's home/office PC and was thoroughly impressed with how it performed.

Eltech 17 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Exactly. I was impressed with the G3258 too, with my Nephew's build. I wish I had grabbed the additional G3258 on Amazon that was also $49.99 but oh wells... It's still a great processor regardless, but I'm looking forward to building with the G4560 here, very soon.

maggotshero 10 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

I wanna build with one so bad. I'm also super excited for Ryzen and what kind of competition that stirs up later this year.

Eltech 17 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Hopefully you'll get to try the G4560 soon or someday. And likewise about Ryzen.

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Sartajaujla 1 point 9 months ago

if he said rx480 it would be good advice but that is BS.

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