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Coffee Lake - ROG Edition

by Yaponchikk

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Details

Date Published

Nov. 14, 2017

Date Built

Nov. 4, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

5GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

31.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

57.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.76GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

11.4GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

31.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

57.0° C

Description

*EDIT 11-19-2017: Changed CPU thermal paste from NT-H1 rev2 to CoolerMaster MasterGel Maker Nano; new CPU Temps @ 23C Ambient temp (non-delta):

25-33C Idle (-4C low end, +3C high end) 41C STABLE gaming (-14.5C average) 70C (MAX, ave. 54C!!!) stress testing (-14C average!)

I highly suggest this thermal paste!

Coffee Lake i7 - 8700K / ASUS ROG STRIX 1080 TI OC / MAXIMUS X HERO / NZXT Noctis 450 ROG

Background:

I have been a laptop user for more than a decade. I had an MSI gaming laptop that had the CPU situated just below the WASD keys near palm area, was uncomfortable to game with or use, and after some time, the ZXCASDQWE keys actually warped) - at this time, the only manufacturer that put an emphasis on cooling was ASUS, with their ROG line. I immediately took a liking. My primary work horse lasted 5 years, I bought laptops in between; but like my old car, I couldn't bring myself to hand it down.

Some time back, I decided to go back to full-on desktop computing and went with this build. I initially was going with Kaby Lake, but was convinced to wait for Coffee Lake by my friends. Procurement wise, I was in a bind, since the local distributor for Intel releases around 10 units 8700K every week, the waiting list was long but I managed to source everything in a day (I was really lucky, since someone also ditched on a 1080TI OC reservation!)

Primary use: I am using this for 40% gaming, and 59% normal stuff, 1% work.

Aesthetics: I'm pretty happy with the looks of my build. Still looking to add additional maglev fans from Corsair, but I have to be pretty solid on what color LED they should be.

Build: Pretty tight at the back (SeaSonic uses flat cables, but for some reason, the ATX 24-Pin connector is one fat bundle which made the fitting of the back panel tight; the AIO cables have a tight fit at the back, and I initially wanted to mount the VRM fan with the included fan mount (but couldn't source a proper 50mm fan) - Thinking about it now, with the radiator fans in the position they are in and the difficulty of cramming the 8-pin EATX 12V connector, I couldn't mount it anyways.

The x62's elbows would hit the card mounted on the DIMM_A1 slot, but there's not that much pressure when I tested the sticks (since I'm still waiting for shipment of F4-3200C16D-16GTZR, and the clearance was really questionable, I had to test it first) other than that, I think it manages the job successfully.

Temps:

CPU - 5.0 GHz (MCE disabled) @ 1,35V / GPU @ 1758 MHz 11110 MHz

*CHECK EDIT 11-19-2017!

(Using custom CPU fan/pump & GPU fan curve)

Idle: 29-30C / 29-33C

Gaming: 54-57C / 57C

Stress Testing: 84C / 72C

Benchmark results CPU-Z: https://valid.x86.fr/eghjwu (I have to do another run)

RealBench v2,56 Image Editing: 245,939 T: 21.6639 Encoding: 164,405 T: 32.4077 OpenCL: 114,595 KSamples/sec: 21154 Heavy Multitasking: 180,802 T: 42.2119

RealBench 2,56 Score: 176,435

Part Reviews

CPU

EDIT: Corrected very hot, to inherently warm.

No regrets here, but admittedly the chip is inherently warm. Although a major contributing factor to this is my board.

CPU Cooler

You mostly pay a premium for the way it looks. It's basically a re-engineered Asetek AIO, with the engineering consisting of adding a custom PCB to control the LED's and custom CAM software. NZXT's email support service is crap, but I'm waiting to see if the product lives up to expectation; there's this dreaded issue of the pump dying @ 10 months, so I'm running it at a custom curve for pump speed (since the pump variably changing RPM's is basically ruining it's life, unlike say, running it at 100% full throttle, but remember, there is little to no impact at running it at full speed)

Would recommend getting an EK Predator AIO instead if you're short on cash.

Thermal Compound

Yup yup, this baby here does the trick. IMHO one of the best bang for buck options out there, performs as well or even better than US$12 or even US$15 pastes. Still, will be swapping it out for CoolerMaster's MasterGel Maker Nano when I run out.

You have to literally check this regularly since it's runny.

Motherboard

This almost got a 3 star rating from me, but since the ROG Forums is active, I guess I'll give it a 4. Would have got a 5 but:

  1. At BIOS update 0505, and ISS (Initial shipment stack) it is ultra aggressive on it's voltage provisioning at STOCK frequencies to the chip. I've been seeing (and it is widely reported by users) that it provides 1,4v with optimized defaults or ISS settings. I've personally seen it throw the mid 1,5's which is definitely not good. That power level is for running at 5,4-5,6 GHz. This makes a basically stock chip that's already warm, run even hotter than normal, with idles at 50C (!)

  2. I would recommend advanced users to manually set VCORE, LLC, and switch off MCE for this purpose. XMP settings also provide alot more voltage than is normally required by your DIMMs, but could be easily remedied. I would suggest to start off your VCORE with lower - mid 1,2V, on adaptive mode set with a negative offset. Also, remember to keep LLC @ 5 or 6 and IA DC + IA AC load lines to 0.01, to keep the voltages that you have manually set tight.

Recommendations: Would NOT recommend purchase to beginners or users who are new to overclocking. Users who also do not have confidence to fiddle with things should also look someplace else. You are looking at a coffee lake chip with a shortened lifespan here.

Would HIGHLY RECOMMEND to users who would like to make the most out of their coffee lake. The board is TIGHT. It may be entry level, but it does exactly the same thing as what the Formula and Code do, without the Croschill EK II Waterblock.

Memory

Eye candy and performance all in one!

This baby right here is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED for Intel builders looking to get the most out of their ASUS Aura Sync boards.

Definitely NOT recommended for AMD builds. DO NOT BUY this chip AMD users. It is well documented to fail! (Uses Hynix dies)

If AMD users are looking towards Trident Z RGB chips, get the CL14 ones.

Storage

A bit on the expensive side, but performance wise, it rocks. I'm getting an additional PRO 960 M.2 NVMe and moving everything on this storage to that later down the line due to my experience and satisfaction with the EVO one.

Please note that when running SSDs, you effectively have a storage ratio of 50%. Performance degradation at above 50% utilization renders even high end SSD's performance price premium not worth. So decide wisely!

Storage

A proper storage dump. Fast, and hardy. I have great experience with WD products and expect this to perform the same, probably better than those 7-10 year old drives I have on other computers.

Video Card

I have nothing negative to say about this card. Runs very cool and very quiet even at default profiles.

If you're looking to overclock this card even further, to maximize performance gains, I would recommend setting a user defined fan curve. On automatic fan settings, I hit around 75C - 85C on FurMark 1080 for default OC. On creating a custom fan curve that is still focused on silence, I got 67C MAX.

I highly rate this card for those who want air cooling performance.

Case

Got this for the aesthetics and out of the box Aura Sync compatibility. A large margin for price premium just for the LED's, ROG certification, and built-in controller for an otherwise vanilla Noctis 450.

Case is 4/5, but the rear panel cable spacing ran tight for me, as seen in my initial feedback. Removing the front panel to get to the magnetic filters feels like a gamble since it feels like something would snap - not happened, and the same is being observed by other case owners.

Acrylic panel is crap. Wiping using an electronics microfiber cloth, specifically made for electronic devices' sensitive LCDs actually left scratch marks. Looking to have it either replaced with TG glass (expensive, hard to find a fabricator that can match case specs) or repolishing the acrylic and tinting it to protect it from harm.

Recommendation: Prospective buyer should first weigh pros & cons with this case. It does look good, but if you are someone who is OC (like me) and wants everything **** and span, this front acrylic panel most definitely will not be to your liking due to the ease to scratch it.

Power Supply

One of the most stable PSUs in the market, guaranteed*

Your PSU is one of the most crucial aspects of your build, and you should consider this an investment, together with a properly rated UPS.

I guess, SeaSonic backing it's PRIME line 80+ Titanium rated PSUs with an industry unheard of 12 year warranty is enough said.

*Check out JonnyGURU's review; for this, or any other PSU that you are into the market for. He is one of, if not the most prolific PSU testers that base reviews & results on actual, industrial grade hardware, not guesswork, software, or straight pulling ratings out of their @@@@@.)

Operating System

This is only supported for Windows 10. Nowadays, cars won't run without an ECU. Unless you're a computer engineer AND a mechanical engineer at the same time.

Software

Personal needs. Got this off my MSDN Partner subscription.

Monitor

I got this monitor for cheap, and without the dreaded dead pixel issues that we have from our units (this one was straight out of the ASUS dealership in Taiwan, for a ROG Promotion).

The Good:

Performs as stated, easy over clocking, and difference is astounding (when you come from a 59Hz monitor; I don't think you can go back)

Useful if you want ultra-fast refresh and low response times on games that count (such as CS:GO, Overwatch, or any MP games in general that have high tickrates.)

G-Sync (for NVIDIA 650Ti and above GPU users only) - to cut to the chase, there IS INPUT LAG. But there is also a solution. Ref: https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag/

Built-in crosshair (for games that have "hardcore mode" i.e. COD, Escape from Tarkov, etc.), timer (for RTS or racing games or whatever use you might have for it), FPS counter (Shows actual FPS that your monitor puts out; is NOT a refresh rate counter. Useful for games that have FPS limiters that don't sync frames with your monitor, etc), & display alignment.

The Bad:

Disgusting TN display. Absurd washed out colors. Requires a LOT of tinkering, and even then, you would still be hard pressed to get a satisfactory display image. I can give you my settings if you have the same monitor and run into the same problems though, it's about 2000% better than the defaults, and about 80% accurate from normal color settings from other LED panel monitors. Then again, this is a gaming monitor, and the actual target audience that this monitor caters do most commonly play in resolutions at 800x600; what do they care about washed out colors lol

Recommendations:

If you're looking for performance and you're sure to utilize G-Sync, by all means, this is probably the cheapest G-Sync monitor on the market with 180Hz refresh rate and 1 ms resp time.

If you're looking for absurdly beautiful graphics and a pretty neat screensaver when you're not using it, don't even think about getting this monitor or any other TN display ones in general. Get an IPS monitor with a high refresh rate. Shell out almost double the price of this monitor at the same screen size.

If you're not using G-Sync or have an AMD card, get a BENQ Zowie with Freesync :D

Keyboard

I've got to say, this is the BEST-IN-CLASS mechanical keyboard on the "CHEAPEST" segment.

The Good:

  1. Got all the functions a mechanical keyboard needs
  2. Ultra tactile
  3. No frills
  4. Integrates to LGS
  5. USB Pass through
  6. Ultra sturdy construction
  7. Build quality is top notch, aircraft grade aluminum plus Romer-G Switches
  8. LED lighting (only one color)
  9. Game mode plus programmable macros (only via LGS)
  10. CHEAP
  11. CHEAP
  12. CHEAP
  13. CHEAP
  14. CHEAP
  15. CHEAP

The Bad: LEDs only light up in color red. That's why I got it.

Recommendations: This should be top 1 in your list of entry level mechanical keyboards.

Mouse

I like how you can change the weights around as well as where the weights are placed on the mouse. Has more than enough buttons for most games. Can sync with any LGS enabled hardware. You can store up to 3 profiles on the mouse itself as well. Pre-set custom profile will be used even without LGS. But to switch between those, you must set beforehand profile manager on the keys before plugging on another device. Capable of almost unlimited profiles with LGS.

Recommendations: Cheaper compared to other mice. Very accurate, and has useful hardware capabilities such as weight placement in select zones. I'm happy with this mouse, but can't say much (yet) for longevity. Seems nowadays, gaming mice have a 6 month lifespan. Once you're clear of that, the mice seem to last forever.

Headphones

I'm actually using the Razer Kraken Pro V2 which is color black (couldn't find it here to add to the price list.)

It's about the only Razer thing that I would keep (I have no other plans on buying their products that are riddled with sub-standard parts)

Sound quality is great on the lows, and mid, but it lacks on highs. Runs great with simulated 7.1 surround via Razer Surround Pro (you get it for free on this purchase)

Mic quality is also great (according to people I speak to on VoIP)

Recommendations: Cheap, but there are cheaper headsets out there. Couldn't say much about build quality or sound quality. I leave the purchase decision to the prospective buyer.

Comments Sorted by:

tooben 2 points 6 months ago

Where did you get the chair?

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

Hello tooben, ASUS held an event here for ROG Masters APAC; the chair was a special promotion. Not sure if you could get it anywhere else. It's an AKRacing ProX chair with custom ROG upholstery.

Techie2003 2 points 6 months ago

looks dope

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

Thank you :)

Somerando 2 points 6 months ago

This build looks ******* sick.

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Thank you! :D

BaconZz 2 points 6 months ago

If you got some custom sleeved cables from CableMod this thing would look even more insane. Great build man!

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Thanks BaconZz! I'm thinking of ordering from CableMod, but not right now. I have a lot of ways to go with cable management. Once I've gotten my ML fans, I'd do proper cabling, then measure them before ordering; this would enable me to trim down even more clutter.

What color do you think would fit my build? I was thinking white cables since I'd be doing top radiator push with white led fans... A bit torn because I'd like red also.

BaconZz 2 points 6 months ago

All of your parts are rgb so it comes down to preference and practicality. If you are changing colors often then a white would be really good but if you have a recurring theme then I say stick to that. Do what you think would look good. Still cant get over how nice this looks even without sleeved cables!

Jaden123 1 point 6 months ago

is the outlet pc and other site trusted sir

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Hello, I built mine directly from dealership and sourced parts & components one by one, hence I cannot provide feedback for online retailers :(

Cyrus_014 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

How's your HDD? In terms of noisiness?

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

The case' HDD cage trays have rubber dampers to prevent vibration. It's either I can't hear anything, or there's nothing to hear (there's actually nothing on the disk).

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Update: I tested copying some files from my external hard drive to the disk. There is the "start up crank" noise, but that's about it. You have to actually expect the noise to notice it. I can only hear it with my AC off.

HamPlayz 1 point 6 months ago

Why happens when you use the trident z with amd chips?

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

Hello,

This specific model for Trident Z (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR) is well documented not to play well with the Ryzen platform. There may be extraordinary instances that they may function, and even properly boost (CL16's with Hynix chips), but with my communication with G.Skill reps, they automatically provide a disclaimer regarding interoperability with Ryzen.

I would recommend going with the CL14 chips. AMD has an error listing the CL16 in their QVL; it should be CL14.

HamPlayz 1 point 6 months ago

Thanks, good I'm using ripjaws v for my ryzen build

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

If you're hellbent on using G.Skill, and want the RGB feature, they recently released kits that are guaranteed to be Zen/TR compatible: https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-releases-amd-compatible-trident-z-rgb-kits

To ensure that you get the correct kit, pn should have TZRX suffix. Hope this helps your purchase decision.

HamPlayz 1 point 6 months ago

What about the non rgb trident z c16 are they ok

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

They also won't play well with your Zen build. Go for CL14 kits. Check the QVL and make sure you don't buy any kit that is not listed on here:

https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/am4-motherboard-memory-support-list-en_0.pdf

CSGOmustang 1 point 6 months ago

Do you have any issues with the NZXT Kraken x62? I read that some were having issues with the software and they didn't recommend it. However, out of all the 8700k builds on this site, 8 have used the x62 so it has to be good. Thanks!

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

Hello CSGOmustang,

To answer your question, no issues (to date). I did however, research the issues that seem to be plaguing them, and to summarize:

  1. NZXT CAM Software is buggy as hell - Haven't encountered any "bugs" but you have to take into consideration that it "locks" your memory SPD modules and you may corrupt them if you think of flashing your SPD and forget to terminateoff CAM. Probably just avoid using beta releases.

  2. Pumps fail within 10 months - I am watching my temps and pump rpm.

So far, I am happy with the performance and aesthetics :)

CSGOmustang 2 points 6 months ago

Thank you sir!! After research. I have boiled my list down to 1) Cryorig A80 (not in stock anywhere or else I would buy that one right now) 2) EVGA CLC 280 3) Swiftech H240 x 2 280mm

I can't find much info on the swiftech.

I've ordered everything except for air and case. Can't wait!!

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

Let us know how your build goes! Would love to see it! :)

Slamminsammy4567 1 point 4 months ago

Thinking about this build but everyone says the ram breaks fast same with power any thoughts

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 1 point 4 months ago

How does "RAM Break fast same with power?" SeaSonic grants the highest manufacturer warranty with their PSUs at 12 years. No other company stands by their product like this.

As for the RAM, they still function for me and most of the issues are with the lighting. As a side note, the RAM would break fast definitely, if you use Aura Sync together with the buggy G.Skill RGB Lighting control software. Just. Don't. Do. It. Worksmanship wise, the failures are only on the SPD EEPROM side of things, nothing hardware related that you can't recover from.

nycflo718 1 point 3 months ago

Hey man cool build, i have a really similar one, im trying to figure out why im getting compatibility issues with the m.2 and the evo 960 we have a similar build so should i disregard that?

Yaponchikk submitter 1 Build 1 point 2 months ago

Hey man,

Are you still having compatibility issues with your Evo 960? You shouldn't have an issue at all. Let me know if you're still encountering problems.

SwiftyTRE 1 point 2 months ago

Very nice build!

We have similiar components - specifically the Maximus X Hero, NZXT Kraken x62 (Rev 2), and 4x G.Skill TridentZ RGB.

I've already ordered all my parts, but I've stumbled upon people having issues with the x62 not having enough clearance over the RAM cards, has this been an issue for you?