Description

First off. Can I build a computer better than this one for less money? Yes. Is this what the customer wanted? Yes.

This build was started a few months ago for a customer. I sold him the processor, mobo, and the blu-ray player in February. At first I wanted to build him a higher end rig and do the OC and dial everything in for him. But after arguing about the ssd and the video card, I just gave up on that. I let him buy whatever parts he wanted and just plugged everything in for him when the parts came in.

First the good. The processor, mobo, ram, and case are all good. Everything installed easy and ran fine out of the box. I might have actually chose these parts myself. I really like the case, I will probably get one for one of my own computers.

The silly. The ssd, video card, the psu, and the OS in my opinion.

He paid 350 dollars for that ssd and it isn't any better or faster than the samsungs. I tried to sell him on the new samsung 850 evo and he told me that "an ssd that only costs 120 bucks must be cheap junk crap." And that "samsung makes tv's, not computer parts, so the corsair must be better because they make computer stuff." I could tell he just wanted corsair no matter what the cost or performance. So that's what he got.

The power supply is the same thing.. Spent 300 on the psu. And it's a fine psu, just way overkill and really expensive. He wanted corsair, and he wanted red to match the rest of the rig. So this is it.

Video card. He claims that 960's are the best video cards out right now and that he is going to get another 960 later to SLI. So whatever.

Windows 7. I don't understand why windows 7, but it's what he wanted.

And last, the really silly. No aftermarket cooling. Not even any extra case fans. He apparently isn't going to be doing any overclocking? And he thought the one case fan that comes with the case "should be fine." So it is what it is.

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  • 59 months ago
  • 32 points

I wanna smack this customer

  • 59 months ago
  • 7 points

Get in line, bub!

  • 59 months ago
  • 9 points

Who needs lines? Let's all smack him at once!

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  • 59 months ago
  • 13 points

I must say, I have not laughed this hard at a build description since I randomly came across that mock build made all out of cardboard.

You are so funny and I can feel a clear sense of sarcasm and hopelessness in your descriptions. Well done, even though he was being a pain in the butt. As builders, its our job to get the client what they need, not what they think they need. However, this cannot always be true and you sometimes run into the rotten eggs.

Regardless, +1 for the humor. Thanks

  • 59 months ago
  • 5 points

Yep.. No more "consulting" for me. I am going back to just selling used parts and prebuilding rigs for sale.

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

That cardboard build was pretty damn epic!

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

link to the cardboard build plz

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

unfortunately, it's been taken down.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Taken down by the poster or by the staff?

I'm planning to build a cardboard case because it's painful to look at crap the case manufacturers are trying to sell.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

when I tried looking it up, it just says the "requested build has been removed." no other details.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

dang

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Heck yes it was! We should have copied the pictures.

  • 59 months ago
  • 9 points

Can you tell me if this build is good? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jcMb6h I tried getting the cheapest parts I could get, so this is the best I got.

  • 59 months ago
  • 8 points

It's good but you skimped on the ssd and not enough corsair to be a 'real' PC

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

Missed out on style points for lack of leds.

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

Wow that's great. I thought you were serious until I got the SSD.

Laughed so hard.

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

Ha! You sir, just gave me a good laugh.

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

Iv'e never even heard of OCZ, must be crap. Go with two of these in raid instead. Intel makes computer parts must be better than that no name brand. /s

  • 59 months ago
  • 4 points

Can I get a clear drop kick in on this dude? Like for real

  • 59 months ago
  • 4 points

MY EYES ...and faith in humanity </3

Sorry you had to deal with that peasant, ouch. Just ouch

  • 59 months ago
  • 4 points

"He claims that 960's are the best video cards out right now and that he is going to get another 960 later to SLI." I almost choked on my breakfast reading this part, lmao.

  • 59 months ago
  • 3 points

what in tarnation....

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

people are strange...1700 bucks, no monitor included in that, and settle on a 960. You can lead a horse to water....

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  • 59 months ago
  • 3 points

A floor model tv, probably!

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

Oh god, that's a horrifying thought.

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  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Zenith 20"

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

"The silly. The ssd, video card, the psu, and the OS in my opinion. "

sorry but you forgot the motherboard... 284.99 on a motherboard, this is definitely not a balance build. 1200 watts psu, is he planning on 4-way SLI ... don't think so.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

he sold the guy the mobo, and the customer chose the psu, again this guy had no idea what he was doing

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

yep and the OP sold him a $284.99 motherboard..... whats the difference there? Cause honestly I don't see it...

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

The mobo was 160 bucks at microcenter. I dont know why they aren't showing the microcenter price.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

sorry then, I take all my words back... put some ketchup on them and eat them...

why don't you manually put the correct price?

  • 59 months ago
  • 3 points

I really wasn't expecting to get 60 comments on this silly thing lol.. I might go ahead and change the prices. Some of them were more than what is on the price list. Like the ssd says 300, he actually paid 350.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

well the customer would have probably bought a $400 motherboard. and that might not be the price he sold it for anyways.

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

Was your customer in a coma for the last year or 2 ;)....

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

What an utter prick that customer is. I would personally turn that customer away with the amount of sense he had.

Regardless, you still have my +1 for the build and description that made me chuckle.

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

what parts would you have suggested

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

When he first called me he wanted the best gaming he could get under 2k.

I set him up with the cpu and the mobo, then he took control from there. Of the things he picked out himself, I would still keep his ram and his case because they are fine.

Things I would change. I would have went with AT LEAST a 970, but probably a 980 or 290x gpu. Even a 280x would have been better than a 960.. A more reasonable psu but still keep it gold rated or better and fully modular. More reasonable ssd but still 250gb or better.

And most importantly, aftermarket cooling and overclocked the hell out of everything!

  • 59 months ago
  • 0 points

can you create a partlist for me that is around 1000-1100 i want a 970 and i5 4690k. also want it to last a few years.

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

You should really go to the forums for that, seeing as you might have more specifications (i.e. color scheme, storage). That being said, here's something to look at: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HGTYBm

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

From the title, I thought this was going to be a troll build until I read the description. Funny stuff. :D And yes, the customer always thinks they're right but almost never are. It makes me glad that I don't work in a computer repair shop anymore. :)

+1 for the Description and the patience to having to put up with what the customer wanted; right or wrong. :)

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

What happened here... lol...

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

I cringed so many times while reading that description. Awesome work on the build itself though!

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

You couldn't persuade him to get a 760i for a 100+ bucks less?

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

All I have to say is... rip

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

300$ on an SSD?... I mean... hahahaha I'm dying.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

You can get a 1TB SSD at that price. XD

  • 59 months ago
  • 3 points

And I'm still getting a kick out of this thing. A 1200W PSU and a 4690k but apparently he isn't overclocking.

No extra fans.

I like some Corsair products, but by no means am I going to religiously use their stuff.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh my god! I work in tech too and this makes me laugh and cringe at the same time. The misinformation and stubbornness on many customers is unbelievable. They just want bigger and better and don't even know why they are spending so much money. And most likely don't even need it.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

This story will get more upvotes than all the "beast" builds over the last month together...

I know you just can't talk people into or out of things, but I almost feel like there should be a point where you just have to walk away. "Look, you can get all this stuff, but you aren't taking advantage of X Y or Z, the A B and C are not needed, and everything else you picked out is way over priced." You know... I may have actually walked where he asked you to build it for him, but then said that Samsung was cheaper and therefore a PoS.

On the brightside, it's his money and hopefully you got a little something for the twitch in your eye (same one that we all had reading this).

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

lol at the cooling system.... that is priceless. I hope it fries it.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

That customer is a clear example of what you might call... a total imbecile! Anyways +1 for the nice build and hilarious description

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Not going particularly after you with this comment. Sounds more like you had a client who thought they had it all down correctly and sounds like you tried to explain better parts or a method to bring about this build for them. Arrogance or the lack of information has a tendency to make poor choices. Sorry you had to handle someone who didn't want to listen for suggestions.

So I agree on your comments with the SSD, GTX 960 and especially the PSU. Not ditzing the corsair product but I know there are better options out there, which I am thinking of the Samsung Pro 250 or ADATA Pro SP920 since both of them are more reasonable price range for 256GB and doesn't kill the reading & writing speeds.

Not sure how your customer came to the conclusion that the GTX 960 is the best currently out when there's GTX 970, 980 or the R9 280, 290. Sounds like he didn't double check other video cards unless he meant the best price ratio with performance. Not that I would have went with a 960 if it's being paired with the recent i5 or i7 K versions.

And the PSU is very overkill, too bad he didn't go for the AX760 or AX860 since those are plenty for 2 SLI cards. I guess some extra dollars in the bill per month won't bother your client. Just too bad he/she didn't wait for this PSU since it's not a major need for what the current SPECs are within this computer.

The one thing that maybe urked myself was the excuse to avoid the aftermarket cooler. Having a K CPU with no intention to OverClock down the road seems like a waste of potential but oh wells. We choose our battles. I have no issues with the i5-4690K I just think it's kinda sad to see it not be fully utilized later on. I guess I would have been different in your shoes and suggest to avoid the Z97 MOBO and stick with the H97 models if the client had no intention to OC anything (Not that all H97 can't OC too since some can but just depends who you get it from).

My guess with the OS for Windows 7 is he must be used to the interface by now. Hopefully Windows 10 will make a change of mind but I don't know, I cannot predict other people's preferences.

Poor choices with the client on some parts, but nice work for you to build it. Maybe not as enjoyable as it may seem. Or maybe it's humorous in some degree but anyways thanks for sharing!

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg?fb

IMO: CPU is good MB is a bit overkill. Gigabyte GA-Z97X-GAMING 7 also is a good board for less money (using it myself) RAM: Not bad but there are other options that are slightly cheaper. SSD: facepalm Samsung 850 Evo 250GB ran $99 at MicroCenter (now back up to 129). Samsung makes some of the best SSDs. GPU: Could have gotten better for the amount he's spending overall. 970 or 980 Case: not bad PSU: really? 1200W? Quadfire? a EVGA gold rated 750W is able to power two SLI 970s...wtf does he need a 1200W on a 960?? OS: out of date and unsupported by Microsoft. W8.1 or W10 would have been better...

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't think any system builder is going to put an unfinished OS on a new customer's computer. And Windows 10 is a free upgrade from Windows 7 this summer, so if they're familiar with 7, why bother learning 8.1 and then 10 a couple months later?

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

well W8.1 mostly I mean. if he had W7 already I understand, but if he's buying new, no point really getting 7 over 8.1 as 8.1 is newer and usually less expensive than 7 which is a bit old now. you are right that it don't matter with 10 coming out but still it's an interesting pick, along with most of the other components lol

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Just because they're buying new doesn't mean they've never used Windows 7 before. Like I said, why learn 8.1 then 10 a couple months later when you can just use Windows 7 for a couple months (which you're already familiar with) then learn Windows 10, which won't be superseded by a new OS anytime soon?

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

well we can't do anything it's the customer's preference :P

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Huh... I have the same SSD. Of course, I bought it over 2 years ago when it actually was one of the fastest on the market, and the SF-2281 controller had just launched.. I guess this guy wanted to relive those heady days from 2013?

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

A unicorn of a PSU/SSD/GPU combo.

  • 59 months ago
  • 0 points

Wow. That story's something, alright.

  • 59 months ago
  • 0 points

wow, he's a pretty narrow customer, I agree with everything you said but I would suggest lighter ram because 16GB isn't needed for anything that a 960 can run and windows 7 is actually the choice of many gamers and in general anyone who isn't really into the whole layout of windows 8. also the wireless card is a bit overkill as of now, unless he's getting google fiber or has the time warner cable 200/300 mb/s upgrade anything more than $30 maybe even $40 is overboard. The rest I entirely agree on

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

actually 8.1 performs better for many games than 7. unless ur talking older games. it's not a wide margin but it's there.

8.1 looks almost the same as windows 7. don't get 8, upgrade to 8.1.

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  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Windows 8.1 is even further optimized than Windows 7 in several instances.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

yeh i know onw youtuber, dantdm, he uses cinema 4d, rendering, video editing and uses 2 asus rog swift monitors and has just one 960

  • 59 months ago
  • 0 points

This is what this build should have been. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/krk9Lk

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

^ That right there is exactly what I would have built for him. Only thing I might have changed was the psu for an evga G1 or G2 gold rated fully modular.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah definitely would have gone with an EVGA G2 now that I think about it. I could not imagine 960 sli nor a 1400w psu... I commend you for taking part in this dark art, at least you got money.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

I have two EVGA supernova G2s, they are rated as one of the best PSUs. highly recommend.

oh you forgot a hyper 212 in ur build 3.5GB.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh yeah dang, I'll just make an updated list with the recommendations. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TNcknQ

*Edit: The 212 doesn't fit in this case so I put the next best thing.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

hey. what i think about that build is cut on the gtx 980 and go with a 970 since its 200 dollor cheaper and go with a gigabyte gtx 970 g1 windforce and also use the money to put a corsair h100i and get the fantechs enthoo pro so you can upgrade to 2 gtx 980s 1 after another and a better cpu and be able to overclock the crap out of them. just my 2 cents c;;;

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

I was trying to emulate the build the way he would have built it. But I agree with you and if it were my build I would have used the enthoo pro and a 970 as well. Now that I think of it I also would have used a different mobo and 8 gigs of dance dance revolution 3.

  • 59 months ago
  • -3 points

Of course for windows 7! Why? Because it's the cheaper way to get Windows 10. Thanks to the free upgrade offer at http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows-10/about

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

you can actually get windows 8 cheaper

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

indeed. 8.1 sells for $89.99 at MicroCenter with a bundle MB or CPU while 7 is still like 99 or more

or you can be like me and get 8.1 Pro for $69 ;)

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

If you are student, 8.1 pro is $69, while Win 7 pro is $49. (win 7 was $29 when I bought it lol)

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

actually windows 7 and windows 8 are about the same price, dont believe me? go to the os option in the part picker and go under os and set filter to lowest price

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

But if you don't know Windows 8.1, and are familiar with 7, are you going to bother learning it for a couple months just to later upgrade to 10 and learn that? They're the same price, so why bother with the hassle?

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

it's not a big learning curve. 8.1 is nearly the same as 7, only the Start Menu is different which doesn't take long to get used to. Took me only a few hours to learn 8.1.

My WoW GM is like 50-60 years old. She's not a big tech lady, a grandma and if a grandma can learn Windows 8.1 in a few days, I'm sure most other people can too!!!

Plus windows 10 isn't much different either, it's like a mash-up between 8.1 and 7, least what I can tell from the pics Microsoft is sending me.

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  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

The only 2 things I really had a say in were the cpu and the mobo. I was going for a high end, overclocked, benchmarked rig in the beginning. After I sold him the cpu and mobo he started looking up parts online and became an expert overnight.

He would tell me he saw this on the internet, and that on the internet. Then I noticed the forum posts he was reading were from 2009 and just started ignoring him. I kid you not, after reading all these old forums he was mad that I sold him haswell gear and wanted to find sandy bridge hardware.

He picked up the corsair fanboyism somewhere along the way too. To him the most expensive means it's good, if it says corsair it is better, and if it is the most expensive and corsair it is the bestest ever.

Im sure the "960 is the best video card ever" came from the internet too.

Oh well. It's over. I hope he loses my number.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

well ill give him this, the gtx 960 is a sensible choice, its definitely one of the best budget cards available and that is a pretty good price for it as well. as for the rest of it, well, lets just just say he shouldnt be allowed to say he knows anything about pcs, but hey, hell hopefully learn over time. the ssd made me want to punch this guy. psu is waaaay overkill. also if you talk to him again tell him that samsung makes a variety of tech products including great computer parts. only reasonable parts he picked were the gpu, case, and os. i prefer windows 8 but i dont have a problem with windows 7

  • 59 months ago
  • 2 points

You are right when you say one of the best budget cards, but come on. A 2K build should not include a budget card. Atleast we can all agree that we grinned through most of the description.

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  • 59 months ago
  • -1 points

Windows 7 is currently the most used OS, so it's far from obsolete. Also, you'll be able to upgrade to 10 for free in a few months anyways.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

If you can get Windows 7 for cheaper than Windows 8.1, then there's no reason not to.

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  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

A Titan X is better than a single 980 though...

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  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Or charge him $100 and paint the letters (or the PSU) yourself.

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  • 59 months ago
  • 5 points

Well, nothing is wrong with corsair SSD's, however Samsungs perform roughly the same for about half the price. Windows 7's interface is nicer in my opinion, however windows 8 is more optimized.

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  • 59 months ago
  • 3 points

You sound like a guy I know who didn't realize Windows 8 had an 8.1 version that brings back some of the best features of Windows 7 while maintaining Windows 8 optimization.

  • 59 months ago
  • 3 points

I second ReconConnor's statement.

You're missing the point NinjamanJosh. No one is talking bad about the SSD or the OS. We are simply stating that the build is unbalanced and the money spent on the SSD could have been used elsewhere. In this case, better chassis fans or an aftermarket CPU cooler, be it air or liquid.

Have you ever really used an SSD to its maximum speeds? Some customers don't. I believe this is one of them. Would you rather have a super car, and always drive the speed limit, or would you rather have a much cheaper car that drives the same speed with some spare cash in your pocket? Again, balance.

  • 59 months ago
  • 1 point

Best analogy for unbalanced builds i've heard thus far. The SSD and PSU in this are totally unnecessary. That money would be much better spent on an aftermarket cooler or an upgrade to a 970. Hell, with a little reassigning of the budget I'm sure you could find room to put a 980 in this rig. Downgrade the PSU, RAM and buy a cheaper SSD and upgrade the GPU and CPU cooler and you have the makings of a mean gaming machine. But, to each his own, it's his money to waste not mine.

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