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Wow, where do I even start with this one.

I've been putting off posting this for a long time just because I never know when I'm gonna change something around. I don't want to constantly update it. But, with my most recent upgrades, I think I can finally show it as a finished product. (until I do an overhaul in a few years)

This marks my second system build, my first one being here. I decided to upgrade from that one about 3 years ago, and it's evolved into the build you see here.

The Core Components

I know the first question everybody is gonna ask is, "Why did you pair a 1070 with an old FX-8320? Doesn't that bottleneck?"

Well... yeah. It does a little bit, but not as much as you'd expect.

When I first did my system upgrade, I was on a budget. I saw I could get 8 cores for $130 bucks and it was a no-brainer to me. Little did I know the low single core performance versus Intel and the fact very few games would even use all of the cores.

I don't regret my purchase. At the time, it was a solid choice. It was paired with a GTX 960 before I decided to upgrade to the 1070. The 4.1 GHz overclock helps out a bit too. I can run all of my games at max settings just fine. Also, having the extra cores helps when I occasionally stream to Twitch. I can't really justify a $300+ upgrade to Ryzen. (even though I really want it)

Also, you may have noticed I have plain PCB ram. Got a sweet deal from my workplace for it and I decided I wanted to upgrade from 8GB. It works great.

Everything Else

Not only do I use this rig for gaming, it's also my main recording studio rig. I grabbed that nice 18 in 20 out audio interface from Behringer for a sweet deal. I love it and I would highly recommend it to anyone on a budget who wants to track and entire band. I'm also loving my Audio Technica headphones and would recommend those too.

I know a lot of people like to give Razer crap about how their products don't last very long but mine have held up surprisingly well. I got the keyboard second hand from my cousin who owned it for 3 years prior. I've owned it for 3 more years now and I've never had any problems. Same with my mouse. 3 years old and still running strong. If i had a chance to replace them, i'd definitely go for Corsair but I'm riding these bad boys until they die. I'm not a Razer fanboy anymore, but I like green and they've done me well so far.

I also really enjoy my Steam controller. My rig is set up next to a couch and TV so it's super easy to grab my controller and play. I also just recently got that Xbox One controller for Forza Horizon 3. I love the feedback on the triggers.

I just recently upgraded my 1TB HDD to that 2TB WD drive. I grabbed it from work without knowing that it was 5400RPM instead of 7200... oh well. I haven't tested it extensively yet in regards to loading times, but we'll see how it is.

You also might have noticed my strange monitor setup. I got both of those monitors from my work for dirt cheap. It actually works pretty well having the 4:3 monitor next to the 16:9. It's very... unique.

Benchmarks

This is when you really see my FX-8320 struggling. It doesn't bench well, but in-game performance is good enough for me and doesn't justify an upgrade. These were all done with my old 8GB ram kit so take that into account.

Time Spy

Fire Strike

Here's a bench before my 1070 upgrade to compare.

And that's probably not all of it. Please feel free to ask me any questions because I'm sure I missed something. Thanks for reading!

Comments

  • 27 months ago
  • 4 points

It doesn't bench well, but in-game performance is good enough for me and doesn't justify an upgrade.

I totally second this! Finally, someone who shares my mentality on bottlenecks...

This is a great build! Enjoy it, and keep not worrying about bottlenecks, until it gets too slow to do what you need (if that makes any sense).

  • 27 months ago
  • 3 points

Thank you!! So many people just crap all over people and their builds because of "hardware mismatch" or "man that CPU is gonna choke the life out of that bonerific GPU"

Does it power on? Does it boot? Does it let the builder do what they want with it? If yes then its a successful build!

  • 27 months ago
  • 4 points

I kind of learned this the hard way. My E3 Xeon probably bottlenecks my RX 480 in games like Planetside 2, but I've learned not to sweat it too much. I can still play at 60+ FPS (down to about 30 at spots in 200 player battles), so I've taught myself not to care if I could get more frames because I'm happy with what I can do with the build.

Honestly, I still get buyer's remorse with all my purchases, but it alternates between "I could have gotten more power" and "wow, this is actually overkill for what I ended up using it for, and if I had thought it out more I would have realized saving time processing this photo really wasn't worth the extra money."

LOL, but such is PC building, I guess...

EDIT: Someone should totally create a bottlenecked-PCs subreddit, for posts about bottlenecked computers that still meet the owner's needs.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

My 4790K and 580s are still running fine and doing pretty much all I want from them, granted Win10 and certain M$ games that are only available through the store prevent me from running them due to the GPUs not being DX12 capable. But I can still run pretty much everything else on an UW1080p monitor. Ive never really been concerned with benchmarks and achieving that Valhalla of FPS, mostly just does it work. Kind of a weird mentality for a guy with 11 PCs to have...

Will def have to check out that subreddit. Sounds like it might be halfway interesting.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

I had this build for abit, at 1080p ya it battlenecked abit, but at 1440p I got the same fps off this build as I did when I switched over to an i7 6700k. You can argue this with some people and they are dead set on no matter what res, game, settings an fx 8320 will always be the bottleneck and it's not true ;) you do need to oc that 1070! I was hitting 20k on graphics with my 1070 ftw

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you!

  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

You're welcome!

... And sorry to turn your build into a giant bottleneck discussion... Hopefully it doesn't turn nasty.

  • 27 months ago
  • 3 points

Such a well received FX build so late on it's life span. I love it. Its nice to finally see post of well thought out responses and not immediate band wagon negativity. This is by far one of the most well received builds of This architecture yet.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you! I'm happily surprised on how nice the comments have been.

  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

It's not to say that people scream bottleneck because "Zomg FX is terribad", but you could get roughly the same performance out of a 1060. That being said, I'm sure it's fine in most games, and you could always carry the 1070 over into the next build.

Like the use cases, and you overclocked an older build for extended life. +1

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

I appreciate it!

  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

For those who still have doubts about FX performance:

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-6700k-6600k-amd-fx-8370/

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Wow, that's astounding.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Did you overclock your CPU NB and HT frequencies?

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

I think I could definitely get a higher overclock than I have right now. I haven't tinkered with it enough yet. Once I'm unsatisfied with the +0.6GHz, I'll really start to mess with the settings. Any tips?

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

What's your actual overclock?

Keep it at 4.2, coz anything higher consumes too much electricity.

I made some tests to see if there is difference in games between 4.2 and 4.5 - and I would like to say that there is no practically no difference with my 1070.

To increase your minimum fps at games, additionally overclock your CPU NB and HT frequencies.

PS: sorry for my English, I'm from Russia. Our people mostly buy builds pre-assembled in shop and usually don't even think about bottleneck and etc.

  • 26 months ago
  • 1 point

My overclock is at 4.1GHz right now.

I'll try messing with the NB and HT frequencies. I'll probably just keep it around 4.1 and 4.2.

Thanks for the info!

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Very cool build and drum setup. How's that interface working for you? Was going to pick one up for the price.

  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

Thank you! the UMC1820 is going great. I'm probably never going to need another audio interface. I would totally recommend it. Buy it from Sweetwater, they literally sent me candy with it. Fast shipping too.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Awesome, thanks!

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Except it's not a hardware bottleneck at all. The CPU will not choke the GPU keeping it from reaching 100%. It may not perform as well in games as a 7700K|1070, but that's not a bottleneck, that's just the difference in architecture and performance capabilities.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

It does choke out my GPU in some games. I did some playing around with PrecisionX after I bought it. GTA V and Rise of the Tomb Raider are the only two I found with a bottleneck.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Play at a higher resolution (1440p+) and the "bottleneck" will/should disappear.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Great build! Altough... are you having a genocide against cable management? Not to pick on you, but you may want to tidy it up.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Haha, I tried my best. The Shinobi Window isn't the greatest for cable management. Or maybe I'm just not that great, who knows?

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Got a couple questions for you. First, yeah I get the bottleneck mentality :) you seem like a hella cool guy and I'm glad everyone here is being so nice to you (though there was a guy in the comments who had a very good point about stuttering: upgrading will completely eliminate the stutter. I have a 5820K and an RX480 in my build, I can play pretty much everything without stutters. My best friend has an i7-860 and a GTX 970 so his build is roughly equivalent GPU-wise and in the same games I notice much much more stuttering on his system whereas on mine I don't get any at all. Before you ask, both systems have 16GB of RAM and SSDs.)

My questions were, how'd you get a 1070 with all the price-hiking?

And secondly, I've been seeing the price on the Steam controller at $35 and it's looking pretty attractive. I already have an Xbox One controller with the wireless adapter though (and I only use my controller for DiRT Rally and occasionally TW3), would it even be worth it to grab a Steam controller? I've heard mixed things about it, some people say it's crap and some people love it. What's your stance?

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks so much! I appreciate it!

I had to google what price-hiking was, ahah. I got mine for $399 in February. I had around $400 and I wanted an upgrade. I decided that just putting it all into a graphics card would be the most cost-efficient decision.

And about the steam controller, I personally like it a lot, although there are a few games where not having a physical right analog stick becomes a problem. Using it in the "trackball" mode is really nice in most games with a free camera. Otherwise, when a game just doesn't feel right with it, I'll go back to the Xbox.

Where the Steam controller really shines is being able to use it on the desktop. When I'm sitting on the couch and I want to browse Youtube, for example, I can use my steam controller to navigate it. You can use the steam controller for anything. I turn my second monitor around towards my drums and navigate through my music recording software when I'm behind my drumset.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

That's a good deal. Way better than I'd be paying now, unfortunately.

Awesome. I might actually take a look at it. Does it actually work really well for desktop use or is it just like a "oh, I'm too lazy to get the mouse, this is good enough" sort of thing?

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

The right pad haptic-feedback-whatever-you-call-it works really well. Very similar to using a mousepad. Then the triggers are left and right click. But of course, you can change any of the buttons to do anything you want, INCLUDING macros. It's awesome.

  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

Thanks! That's awesome :) again, nice build :)

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks again!

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  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh, that explains why all the graphics cards flew off the shelves of my local Best Buy. I remember seeing that same 1070 for $399 with the free game code. Then like a week later, all of the cards were gone.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah. I'm lucky enough to have an RX 480 in my hands right now, I bought it a few months, right before prices hit rock bottom. I remember when you could find an 8GB model for like $210 sniff

congrats on getting a 1070 before the craze hit!

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Uhh.... The bottlenecks an 8320 has on a 1070 are rare and minuscule at worst.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Very nice build!!! Keeping the Fx 83xx family alive. I have the 8350. I think that was a good choice on the RAM, especially consider you got a good price on it.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you! I'm gonna ride this 8320 until it dies, ahah. And yeah, that 16GBs has been doing good for me so far. My old RAM is finding a happy new home in another system I'm working on right now.

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

bottleneck???

the heck is that??

  • 27 months ago
  • 0 points

Really nice build, but one question, why did you put that beige controller on the front panel

  • 27 months ago
  • 3 points

Why not? Probably had it sitting around doing nothing and needed/wanted more manual control of fan speeds

  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

fair enough

  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

My camera isn't good in low-light. It's actually Silver. I got it for 5 bucks. Turns out it doesn't work, but it matches the silver of the BitFenix emblem and it adds kind of a retro feel to my build so I kinda like it.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

oh ok, if I could see it in silver I am sure it would look much better.

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  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

I've been pondering this question for a while. My thing is I'm not sure if $400 dollars for a new MOBO, RAM and CPU is worth it for less frame stuttering, which I don't notice too often. By the time I'm unsatisfied with the performance my computer is getting, I'll probably be due for an entire system overhaul.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

That's kind of where I'm at too... I could switch out all the core components for something like Ryzen 7 or Threadripper (if it's good enough and priced well enough) when it releases, but it's not really worth the extra money for the threads, even though I run lots of virtual machines.

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  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

That means a lot, thank you!

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  • 27 months ago
  • 2 points

No. They are all physical cores on the FX line. It's just how the cores and modules are designed that make them not so good.

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

Same with most chips

  • 27 months ago
  • 1 point

I've heard something like that. Four of them are real cores that each have some separate half-core or something? I have no idea.

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