AMD A10-7870K Godavari Release And Build Livestream

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vekspec 3 Builds 15 points 47 months ago

So this is like a FX 8370...just a factory OC of the 7850k? Come on AMD, release a new line of chips! FX 2 or something. so sad to see Intel just blasting away at AMD and AMD only releasing APUs, least for the time being, and no more Gaming CPUs... :(

As much as I prefer Intel for the things I do, I still like to see some competition... or something different to try

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Eschaton 6 Builds 6 points 47 months ago

Zen is their next big play, due out in (probably) late 2016.

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jordanah2 5 points 47 months ago

Come sooner!! I hope that there's a new FX socket, one that is used with microatx or mini itx motherboards.

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Sam_Horne 2 points 47 months ago

Yeah, AMD's system isn't that great at this point, as there are no AM3+ mITX mobos, and now that Intel has the massive SLI support, the mITX boards well covered, now AMD is pretty much stuck with what they're doing right now.

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jordanah2 5 points 47 months ago

So. Sad. sniff ALL I EVER WANTED WAS A MINI-ITX FX SYSTEM!

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vekspec 3 Builds 1 point 46 months ago

I know!! I can only do Intel ITX systems...every time I try looking for an AMD one, all I get is APU systems :(

I mean they got the Athlon 860k that can be used for ITX but you have to OC that to match an i3 (correct me if I'm wrong), and not every chip likes to be OC-ed.

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Anyansayo 1 Build 1 point 20 months ago

Hey, we're at it now and I'd have to say that it looks pretty good. I now don't have a closed mindset towards Intel over AMD.

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CCCPancakes 6 points 47 months ago

Just speculation, but I believe AMD is going after a long term gain rather than immediate gratification. Give it time, AMD might start actually competing with Intel soon.

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lilshatespug217 1 Build 2 points 47 months ago

I agree. AMD giving intel a kick in the sack via a new chip benefits literally everyone: AMD users get a shiny new chip, and intel has to step up its game to compete giving intel users a better product.

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vekspec 3 Builds 2 points 46 months ago

This is why Intel is just doing Refreshes cause they know they can do new tech, but they don't need to cause AMD ain't releasing anything competitive so Intel is just...well let's "refresh" the same chip, make some money cause no one else can compete.

When AMD releases some new star of a chip, then Intel will be like "oh crap! we're behind now! time to release our secret chip we've been hiding. time to take the top again!" Then we will all benefit. Now it's just like...well the new chip is only 5% better than the old...

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Rhezner 1 point 47 months ago

except intel

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lilshatespug217 1 Build 0 points 47 months ago

They'll be fine.

By literally everyone I meant literally all consumers.

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Eschaton 6 Builds 10 points 47 months ago

I was about to just lol at this chip, but then I saw that they at least kept the price acceptable and bumped up the GPU clock too. I hope nobody gets fooled by the "K" though; this thing is going to be hell to overclock seriously.

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Edens_Remorse -8 points 47 months ago

Think it will overclock more than an i3? how about that for a lol. I really can't wait until dx12 comes out. Until then how about we LOL at how this chip(and its x4 cousins) can run GTA V while intels budget chips fall flat on their overpriced faces.

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Eschaton 6 Builds 5 points 47 months ago

Calm down; if you knew me, you'd know that I am a huge AMD fan. I'm not trying to dis on this chip; I'm just saying that the headroom on this chip is likely very small.

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fsxfan 1 point 47 months ago

I slightly agree, but then again I think with a descent cooler you can get high clock speeds maybe? God knows!

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Eschaton 6 Builds 0 points 47 months ago

Oh, I'm sure you'll be able to safely OC to about 4.3-4.7ghz. But in the world of overclocking, that's piddly headroom.

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resvez 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

Maybe justs needs a bit of water :)

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fsxfan 1 point 47 months ago

With intergrated? Sure, but with an actual graphics card...ehh...nahhh.

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checky0ursix 5 points 47 months ago

I am excited to see those benchmarks.

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fsxfan 2 points 47 months ago

waiting for Zen Cpu

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Edens_Remorse 0 points 47 months ago

Zen doesn't appear to be much stronger than the 4790k from AMD's own suggestions. DX12 is what we need.

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jacobs4525 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

It doesn't have to be. If AMD can build a quad core as powerful as a 2500k (that's not a lot to ask, as the 2500k is from 2011) and price it the same as an 860K, it will sell like hotcakes.

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Edens_Remorse -1 points 47 months ago

haha, $70 Zen. Me thinks not. Lisa Su has been clear that future products will be less oriented to budget friendliness and more geared to performance. I think the 860k/870k itself might be selling like hotcakes soon though if it gets a fair shake from reviewers!

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jacobs4525 1 Build 0 points 47 months ago

It's still weaker than an i3. It's nice, but it has no upgrade path, and it's a pretty big bottleneck for anything above a 280X/770.

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Edens_Remorse -2 points 47 months ago

Completely false. Why must you insist on talking about things you no so little about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj0_6RbCHA4

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Trigunman 1 Build 2 points 47 months ago

Sooooo, the Athlon X4 870k is coming out a bit later it seems? I hope this refresh of the Kaveri's silicon can open up the overclocking headroom some at least... The A10-7870K is being released a bit higher frequency than it's Kaveri predecessor. Time will tell it seems. Sadly, those in the market for a new system will only be interested in this I'd imagine as so far, there doesn't seem to be any real performance enhancements with Godavari in what I've read across the net to date.

For the rest of you waiting on AMD to step up to the table with Intel, you'll be waiting for the next AMD CPU architecture "Zen" in late 2016 it seems... Until then, relax, because AMD will have to make hay while it's daylight in the mid to low range with Godavari on FM2+ and what's left of their aging AM3+ inventory. Considering AMD has the resources of about 1/8th to 1/10th of Intel's and it takes considerable time to bring out a whole new CPU architecture to the market, I'm actually quite amazed they're forecasting releasing it that soon honestly.

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Wcschuyler 9 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

curious if it would be able to handle higher clocked ram

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Veizin 2 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

At the price of a g3258+750Ti, once you factor in memory.

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Eschaton 6 Builds 3 points 47 months ago

According to my most current pricing, this chip + mobo + memory comes out to just over $230, while the G3258 + mobo + memory + gpu comes out to a little over $250, so no, this is cheaper than a g3258 build.

Now, if you want to get competitive, keep in mind that you can beat the GPU on this chip with a 750; you don't need a 750 ti. Where you'll really struggle in such a comparison is on that dual core; in order to remain competitive you are going to have to get a very cheap motherboard (B85 or H81) and stick to overclocking on the stock heatsink and fan. In terms of overclocking, that's asking for trouble, and there are lots of reports even on this site of people having trouble getting their G3258 up to speed in such a situation.

I don't think the G3258 + GPU combo makes much sense at this level unless you plan on stepping up to a (by then) older Intel socketed i7 in a few years.

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Veizin 2 Builds -4 points 47 months ago

Not where I live.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor	£48.88 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard	£31.98 @ Ebuyer
Memory	Patriot Signature 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory	£38.33 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card	£94.99 @ Ebuyer
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£214.18
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-29 15:28 BST+0100

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD A10-7870K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor	£119.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI A88XM-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard	£40.08 @ Amazon UK
Memory	Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory	£89.95 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£250.02
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-29 15:31 BST+0100

£214 vs £250 with 16GB of RAM or around £210 for the AMD with 8GB of RAM for both the GPU and CPU.

There is the hassle of overclocking and the hassle of hacking games to run on dual cores, thanks greedy corporations, but if you're an enthusiast, AMD still doesn't offer much.

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Eschaton 6 Builds 6 points 47 months ago

Why on EARTH would you require the Athlon computer to have 16gb RAM? This comparison is utterly baseless.

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Veizin 2 Builds -2 points 47 months ago

Because that RAM is shared for both the GPU and CPU, thus a better comparison would be 10GB, as that's how much the pentium system has. That is why I suggested the £210 price for the athlon, not the £250. You have to keep in mind that with the 750 TI you don't just get extra GPU core horsepower, but also a 2GB 5.4 GHz frame buffer.

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Eschaton 6 Builds 6 points 47 months ago

Generally it is considered acceptable to limit budget-oriented A10 builds to 8gbs, since very few games actually need 8gb RAM, even if they request it. For example, Witcher 3 doesn't even climb above 3gb over extended play, though in the "recommended" system requirements CDProjekt lists 8gb RAM.

That being said, though, yeah: 10gb or 12gb would be the better comparison than 16gb... you did neither. You also paired it with one of the more expensive varieties of A10 motherboard, while dropping the pentium into a cheap H81 mobo.

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linkleo 3 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

ONE PRODUCT: "i5 4690K"

Best advise? Wait til your next check... hell, wait a month if you have to for the extra $60 to get the 4690K.

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TheJohnBomb 4 Builds 2 points 47 months ago

This APU has a much better built in graphics adapter. That is the target audience, not people with sick video cards to match with their i5.

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Kimchi 1 point 47 months ago

Shut up and take my money?

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Butt. 1 point 47 months ago

This thing comes with a proper stock cooler with heatpipes, similar to the FX line, so that's something,

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jnanof 32 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

just an overclocked 7850k, that is too bad.

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vVTyfighterVv 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

I was hoping for a new CPU line from AMD to go with the release of the Radeon 300 line. Seems I am going to be disappointed

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LuckyBobby 1 point 47 months ago

Im quite happy sitting on my 8320e until they release something amazing like zen is going to be. I like intel products alot and all of my laptops run Haswell i7's but you have to give credit to AMD when it comes to budget builds. I got my 8320e for $99 @ microcenter and with out that part at that price I probally couldn't afford to build a computer. I'll be patient for AMD to release their new CPU because I know It's going to fit right into my budget.

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potyec 1 point 46 months ago

Guys you dont see what`s coming AMD gonna be a huge competition with this integrated APU business ! This can force the video card prices drop and Intel has to start to build better for better price ! Now they are just sitting and not doing any special !

This processor awesome people they cant afford can be huge buyer croud which intel will newer reach ! And many people will buy this if it can run games medium lvl ! Well done AMD you guys tuched in the future big time money !

Im happy to see this competition long term !

I already have a 4790k Setup with geforce but i need a 2nd stream PC and I was strugling because I wanted to make the 2nd pc able to play basic games for my wife . I dont wanted to spend to much and here is the answer , awesome . And the other thing finally I can fit in in mini ITX and I dont wanna use video card because I need the 1 PCE slot for the Live Gamer HD card !
Awesome gonna buy this I just dont know which is the best MOBO with this If i want to OC a bit

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Ian_H. -2 points 47 months ago

AMD really needs to start innovating. Intel FTW.

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Trigunman 1 Build 5 points 47 months ago

Try googling HBM memory sometime, AMD does plenty of innovating... For those that actually take notice that is.

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Edens_Remorse 1 point 47 months ago

Indeed. I must admit though, I was swept up by the near unanimous internet clamor that team blue and green are the refined/quality choice for gaming. Owning some of the best of what both have to offer over the last year has completely opened my eyes though. Massive amounts of marketing money and dishonesty on the part of a tremendous amount of reviewers has really impacted pc part sales over the last 12 months. Total shame too, given how much incredible tech is out right now for really solid prices.

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Technix -4 points 47 months ago

R.I.P. AMD from the whole Gaming scene.Release more efficient FX's and a completely new line of GPUs instead of your lazy re-branding.

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Edens_Remorse 1 point 47 months ago

What's lazy is someone who is foolish enough to say something as ignorant as you just have. I sold my 4790k/gtx 690 set-up when I saw how ridiculously good the deals were on AMD's fx series. So glad I made the switch to 8370e($120)/xfx 280 black edition($160). For the price of my used 4790k and 690 on ebay I was able to purchase a complete setup - cpu, mobo, cpu cooler, ram, gpu, ssd, and psu from microcenter/newegg. The leftover parts from the previous intel build are now home to a wicked little 860k build. That is two builds for the price of ONE with absolutely no noticeable difference in gaming for me. It saddens me how easily so many fools are swayed by savvy marketing.

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fsxfan 3 points 47 months ago

.....so you went for a weaker cpu and gpu? Du faq? For gaming, duh of course but in terms of power? You must be a fool. And also just because some of maxwells cards maybe weaker like the 970 in 4k, it doesn't mean it's any better unless you want to game on 4k, u might like the r9 290x better. I'm glad AMD released VSR though. That's pretty much all I care for now :P Oh and please, you could've gotten an i3 and a good radeon card (280 and above) and probably get somewhere close to your current rig, also do remember that games are focusing on GPU now a days. That's all I gotta say!

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Edens_Remorse -1 points 47 months ago

Again, you show a lack of knowledge. I3 won't even run GTA 5 and other new titles well or even at all. I lost absolutely nothing in terms of actual processing power - my 8370e with a raijintek pallas cooler($30) oc'd to 4.4 clears 10K on cpu benchmarks where my 4790k was at 11k. Absolutely no noticeable decline in processing power or gaming power. Very soon(upon release of dx12 games) the I5 will fall victim to the 860k/870k. I forgot to mention I've also gone through a 290x - fantastic OC model from gigabyte that I put a g10 and x40 on. Again, at 1080p that was pure overkill. I'll be taking the 8GB refreshed Hawaii card to run my black Friday monitor this year(3440x1440p) but until then I'm tickled pink to have two perfectly good PCs for the price of one. If you would stop being influenced by garbage and try these products first hand you'd know better.

Ironically, the only game that has even been noticeably different was dx9 world of tanks. So yeah, go ahead and get yourself an I3 if you plan on playing dx9 games for the foreseeable future. :P Too much ignorance... Too much...

BTW, if you think anyone in their right mind would buy an nvidia card after kepler-gate you're a dam fool, lol

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build.a.pc 3 points 47 months ago

Very good points you raise. AMD and Intel are both very good companies with very good products depending upon your use. In your price range, AMD will almost always win at a lower price with about the same performance for gaming purposes. I just wish AMD is able to compete with Intel in the enthusiast and workstation/server grade parts because they are very expensive. For me, I use a 12 core Xeon for editing and virtualization so there is no way i could drop down to AMD. But, for gaming purposes, AMD is a very good company to always look at and so is nVidia if the prices and performance are right. And yeah, an i3 will lose to a six or eight core budget AMD chip anyday and struggle to process GTA V PC. Also, could you link to me that Hawaii card with an 8gb buffer? sounds like a great card to add to my workstation or one for my next gaming rig.

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Edens_Remorse 2 points 47 months ago

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723

Same price as many GTX 970s @ $350, lol. I would advise NOT to purchase just yet though as the Hawaii refresh should be for sale within a month and will feature some nice tweaks such as increased clock speed and better efficiency while still being around this same price point and having 8GB as well.

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vagabond139 5 Builds 3 points 47 months ago

The i3 will play games that requires 4 cores due to its hyperthreading...Also you have to be joking with a i5 being out performed by a 860K in any circumstances.

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Edens_Remorse -2 points 47 months ago

I should clarify the i5 comment - with the widespread implementation of dx12, cpu bottlenecks will no longer be an issue for any of the more popular 4+ core CPUs on the shelf today. When gaming performance is identical between a $70 860k and the $200 i5 I would suggest it has "fallen victim" to the AMD. Sorry I wasn't more clear with my original statement.

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Veizin 2 Builds 2 points 47 months ago

What's the kepler-gate?

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Edens_Remorse 2 points 47 months ago

Nvidia has only been optimizing game drivers for their Maxwell cards(9xx series) and left their Kepler cards(7xx series) out to dry. In games such as Witcher 3 Nvidia owners are seeing budget GTX 960s perform better than GTX 780s for no reason other than driver optimizations. It isn't a matter of new tech vs old, it's just Nvidia's attempt to force people to purchase new cards. Terrible practice considering many of their angry customers purchased these cards less than a year ago for very large premiums.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/833016/geforce-700-600-series/gtx-780-possible-fail-as-performance-in-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-/29/

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fsxfan 1 point 47 months ago

oh and also one more thing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNt_KS0UUhI Watch and see how an i3 haswell basically beats an 8 core cpu in most games :P Powered by the 960!

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Edens_Remorse -2 points 47 months ago

If pre-2015 dx9/10/11 games are your thing I'd say go for it - spend your money on an i3. If on the other hand you enjoy playing games from this year and would like to play games that come out next year how about you spend less money and purchase better parts that can actually play the games - ALL of them, lol.

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seanzzy702 1 point 46 months ago

i have an i3 and GTA 5 plays just fine.. avg 45 fps on high it seems you have a lack of knowledge based on some of the post youve been making..

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Edens_Remorse 1 point 46 months ago

Having played with an i3, i5, i7 as well as an 860k & 8370E I would encourage you to try something else. Gaming and computing in general only gets better from the i3. Please don't take me for an elitist here either. In fact, I'm about to put together a watercooled fx 6300 build just for grins. It's just my opinion, based on my own experience with many CPUs, that an i3 is garbage for what it costs outside of some very specific parameters(dx9...).

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fsxfan 0 points 47 months ago

Oh lord HAHAHAHAHA I run GTA V low settings on my "rig" xD 30+fps and does go lower but it doesn't do it as often. Thank God for optimizations! My "rig" is i3-540, GT 730 and 6 gigs of DDR3. And God Al-mighty no do u even read benchmarks? i5's are against the 8 core amd processor and the only thing that can challenge i7's are the fx 9590 cpu! Come on man, u are the daym fool here! Why a 290x for 1080p? Hopefully u use VSR and get that up to 1440p or 4k! I have used AMD products and I love them for their value but u can't say whatever you want and call it a fact. I can play almost anything on low settings (which is still good looking imo) and get fine frames on this HP oem crap lel all but COD AW -_-, thats the one game that just freezes and then gets smooth and freezes and its annoying.

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Edens_Remorse -2 points 47 months ago

PC master race means nothing to you I see. I can't imagine spending $60 on a game as immersive as GTA V and then suffering through sub 30 frame-rates. Also, I do my best not to just "say whatever... and call it a fact" so please identify specifically what you feel isn't fact and I will address it accordingly(correct or clarify as needed).

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vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 47 months ago

Sure it might be a good deal for its price but it isn't comparable to a i7.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1402?vs=1260

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Edens_Remorse 0 points 47 months ago

It is very comparable to an i7 for my purposes. More so with the elimination of cpu bottlenecks courtesy of dx12. The graph in your link is an 8320e btw. Also worth noting, w/air cooling I run my cpu at a conservative 4.4GHz on all cores so performance is substantially increased compared to the listed stats. Again, I fully understand the 4790k is significantly more powerful per core and also a bit more powerful overall with hyperthreading. For what I do(gaming, school, photo editing, and a bit of content creation) I haven't noticed a thing. I must say though, the one advantage I missed after making the transition to AMD was the form factor - I had my devil's canyon in an itx build(not even an option for AM3+) which made travel a breeze.

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jacobs4525 1 Build 1 point 47 months ago

You do realize that DX12 isn't out yet, and even when it does come out, not all games are going to instantaneously use it. Even so, an i7 is still more powerful than an 83xx or 9xxx series CPU from AMD. The current AMD CPUs have half the resources of an Intel CPU with the same core count, due to AMD's ****** module system. Each CPU core isn't a full fledged core, just an integer unit, and each pair of integer units shares cache and a floating point unit. So in effect what you have is a weak quad core that requires 8 threads to be fully utilized.

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Edens_Remorse 1 point 47 months ago

Please don't try and explain what an AMD module is - I'm more than a bit familiar. I get that it isn't exactly what you think you want, but for what it costs and what it is capable of it remains untouched. It is absolutely not a weak quad core that requires 8 threads to be fully utilized - you really should stop talking about things you have such a small and misguided understanding of.

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fsxfan 3 points 47 months ago

I'm SUPER excited for their zen cpu's! I cannot wait, literally!

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fsxfan 4 points 47 months ago

Screw it LOL, I will spend on any amount and see if Intel has some competition on its back! I like Intel but I would like to see AMD kick butt again!

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