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$2500-$3000 budget - 4k ready / after effects friendly PC workstation

mrlifechanger
  • 53 months ago

Let me say that first I appreciate that you're reading my post & Happy new 2016 to everyone;

My potential system will be for Adobe Premiere, Adobe After Effects, and perhaps some 3d software in the near future. Not so much a gamer at all but 4k footage is something I will be editing more and more in the upcoming year.

(This will be my first from scratch PC Build. I am really really nervous, I did lots of searches, and watched lots of online videos.)

I am already thinking in general;

-i7 5930k cpu based system (best for the buck?)

-32 or 64 gb (suggested by others for Adobe After Effects uses a lot of Ram so I am thinking perhaps I should just go with 64gb if it would make a lot of difference and can stay under my budget?)

-single GPU but people suggest for 4k performance a high end GPU like a $500 range. or having 2 (Crossfire?) GPUs that cost around $300 not sure if thats a smarter option? needless to say I have no idea how having 2 gpus arranged and set up. I will need to learn.

-Really smart cooling / cable management / silent setup tricks and guides appreciated. I have been watching a lot of online videos about cases and how to arrange the fans and which fans to use where but it is very relative any input from your thoughts much appreciated as they really emphasize the cooling is very important for a high end video rendering / editing machine?

-and of course STORAGE, I have been reading lots of RAID options I never had used RAID before in my personal computers. I know for sure that I will be getting SSD for OS Drive. However I am very nervous about deciding on RAID system and arrangement of Storage drives for the above mentioned software.

Again, Thank you very much for taking time to read and respond,

Comments

  • 53 months ago
  • 2 points

Here's my suggestion. Crossfire Fury X is currently the strongest GPU solution available without going around $2000 for the GPU solution alone. Since each card has its own liquid cooling system, you're highly unlikely to reach any thermal issues. I went for one of the quieter case options and one of the quietest overclocking cpu coolers available. I went with the 5820k over the 5930k because you'd be better off getting more GPU rendering power than using all that extra money for a few more data lanes. I'm leaving the storage solution up to you. With up to $600 to work with, I think you'll find exactly what you need.

As for fan array, here's how the case comes pre-loaded: front and rear fans. By putting the Fury X rads in the two top slots, you'll fill all the major slots while having plenty of airflow. The CPU cooler will move a lot of air, which will be good for getting airflow within the case when paired with the pre-installed fans.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor $374.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler $71.99 @ NCIX US
Motherboard ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard $189.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 64GB (8 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $329.99 @ Newegg
Video Card PowerColor Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) $594.98 @ Newegg
Video Card PowerColor Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) $594.98 @ Newegg
Case Nanoxia Deep Silence 3 ATX Mid Tower Case $92.35 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $146.99 @ NCIX US
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $2396.26
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-29 03:11 EST-0500
  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you. I am tempted and I think needed to get Asus Thunderbold 2 adapter. which makes me worried, and feel like for compatibility reasons I should stick with potentially a X99 Asus Deluxe 3.1 motherboard, what do you think? Should I also shoot for 10 bit video conversion for 4k with a budget like this?

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

If you need Thunderbolt, it's better to build around the new standard. Only a handful of boards are offering Thunderbolt 3. Here's a part list for you that includes a Thunderbolt 3-enabled mobo and a 4k monitor:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor $379.99 @ Micro Center
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $125.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD5 TH ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $196.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $159.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $329.99 @ Amazon
Storage Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $82.99 @ SuperBiiz
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card $599.99 @ NCIX US
Case NZXT H440 (Matte Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $94.99 @ NCIX US
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA 1000G2 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $145.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) $89.88 @ OutletPC
Monitor LG 27MC67-B 60Hz 27.0" Monitor $469.99 @ Mac Mall
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $2706.77
Mail-in rebates -$30.00
Total $2676.77
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-29 19:47 EST-0500

The case should be near-silent and cable management is simple. I also don't think you need to RAID any drives, personally. I believe a single GPU solution is most cost-effective and the 980ti is currently the best available if you're willing to overclock it (You should! It's fun). If you find the horsepower insufficient, you can always buy a second card and use it in SLI.

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you for your reply to my post I am actually still reading and searching about possiblities

  • 53 months ago
  • 2 points

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Xeon E5-2680 V3 2.5GHz 12-Core OEM/Tray Processor $1639.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler Supermicro SNK-P0048AP4 CPU Cooling $37.00
Motherboard Supermicro MBD-X10DAL-I-O ATX Dual-CPU LGA2011-3 Motherboard $301.98 @ Newegg
Memory Kingston 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory $414.99 @ SuperBiiz
Storage PNY CL4111 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $64.99 @ Newegg
Storage Seagate 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $104.33 @ Amazon
Storage Seagate 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $104.33 @ Amazon
Video Card NVIDIA Quadro M4000 8GB Video Card $859.00 @ Newegg
Case Thermaltake Suppressor F51 ATX Mid Tower Case $99.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $119.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $3746.59
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 10:30 EST-0500
  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi Allan, thanks for the reply. I am now looking up information on Supermicro motherboard, but it is hard finding info I guess it is more geared towards OEM builders rather than end users, do you think a first time builder like myself can hack a Server type motherboard ? I saw a new egg review that states it is quite hard to put that motherboard together correctly for an inexperienced builder...

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

It's hard for me to get a good perspective on that, as I built my first computer ~16 years ago. The way the supermicro board is configured and setup (like BIOS interface etc) is similar to the way more consumer boards were just a few years ago, so it doesn't seem to me like there is anything more challenging about the supermicro board than any other build.

There are some "rules" that apply to a dual socket build that are pretty much common sense. In a system with 2 CPU sockets, there are 2 separate memory controllers and 2 separate PCIE controllers. These are each only mapped to specific DIMM and PCIE slots respectively. The quick-setup guide makes this very clear, and the motherboard even has printed right on it which slots belong to which CPU. This seems to confuse a lot of people. I don't understand why.

SuperMicro is indeed more of an OEM/enterprise supplier. Not many reviews because in the consumer 1-off market its low volume. Rest assured there are thousands of high end workstations out there made with supermicro motherboards.

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

what do you think of this Allan? FYI the reason for 3 ssds is not Raid but to have Media drive / Render Drive / Cache Drive seperate for Adobe WorkFlow. and One 512gb is for OS/programs which is m.2 nvmE

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor $999.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $128.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard MSI X99A SLI KRAIT EDITION ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard $229.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $399.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $327.99 @ SuperBiiz
Storage Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $419.99 @ Micro Center
Storage Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $419.99 @ Micro Center
Storage Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $419.99 @ Micro Center
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card $649.99 @ Amazon
Case Thermaltake Suppressor F51 ATX Mid Tower Case $69.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA P2 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $145.98 @ Newegg
Optical Drive LG WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $52.88 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) $130.38 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $4436.14
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $4396.14
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 19:21 EST-0500
  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

For what you're doing with these drives, I don't believe there is any benefit to paying that huge price premium for the 850 Pro drives. All 1TB SATA SSD drives are bottle-necked by the protocol and interface. The Mushkin Reactor or PNY CS2111 will both easily give you as much performance for these applications as you'll ever get out of anything connected via SATA. Pick whichever is on sale for $250 at the time. That's $525 in savings right there and the only difference you'll ever notice is the color of the little plastic 2.5" shell they come in.

5960X is fine. I think if it were me, looking at such a build, with the possibility of using raytracing engines (like the one in AE which as I understand is actually the C4D engine), or other 3D design programs, I'd build something on a dual socket motherboard with the option to add another CPU later, as these types of workloads scale really well to as many cores as they can be given, (assuming you're using CPU based renderers, like keyshot, C4D, Arnold, vray, etc). I also like the idea of having 2 separate memory subsystems in a high end workstation like this even if we aren't using all of the cores for 1 operation. A multi-socket system can handle multi-tasking a bit better than a single socket system, as operations like export rendering or trans-coding can be performed by one CPU, while the other CPU and memory subsystem are left free to respond to user input. Or, if exporting to multiple resolutions and quality levels we can spread this workload around to many cores at the same time. This does require some micromanagement of resources for best results though, so isn't for everyone.

Another advantage to a Xeon build, is that Xeon's support ECC memory, something I would want for any system with large amounts of memory in it (64GB+ especially). If we consider the "standard" desktop computer today to be a machine with 8GB of non-ECC memory, and we build a system with 64GB of non-ECC memory, then we've just made a high end workstation with 8X higher likelihood of memory related errors and failures than the average "cheap" computer. I have a hard time rationalizing this for a high end workstation. Assuming a single socket system, I would still lean towards a Xeon for this (E5-1660 V3, for example). There are some really nice single socket workstation boards on the C612 chipset, like the Gigabyte MW50-SV0, ASRock Rack EPC612D8A-TB, and Supermicro X10SRA. But many X99 chipset motherboards actually support Xeons with ECC Registered memory. Puget Systems has confirmed Asus and ASRock X99 boards support Xeons and up to 256GB (32GB X 8) of standard load registered memory. For the money, the ASRock Extreme4 is hard to beat.


The 980Ti is great, especially if you think you might be using CUDA based export renderers in 3D applications (like octane, furball, vray-rt, etc). The primary concern there is that GeForce cards do not support 10 bit per channel color in productivity/design/manipulation/editing applications. Whether or not this is important to your work depends. If you have a nice, color accurate 30 bit IPS display to work on, it would be worth using a Quadro or FirePro GPU for this. The compromise, is that the M4000, (the best choice of workstation GPU for this build), is a GTX970 at its core, so there's a compromise in render throughput there.

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

Allan. I Really want to say thanks. So much important remarks. My concern with 2 sockets, then I m guessing I need 2 cpu coolers running at the sametime. The important remark you have about m4000 is a very crucial decision. In the end I m looking to get into motion graphics and cinema4d, 4K work. I had heard raves abt handling 4k footage with 980ti cards, so I was very much leaning towards that, but frm what I understand I should go with PNY m4000 card instead. Chances are I will never be a 3d cad type of guy, but more like motion graphics like titling and motion graphics work is what I m going to focus. I dont play games except european football manager which is pretty much few dots on screen if I ever do in rainy days in portland. Thats about it. Then I think pny should be my choice for this built...

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor $554.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler Corsair H110i GT 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $119.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard MSI X99A SLI PLUS ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard $224.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2800 Memory $419.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $81.49 @ OutletPC
Storage Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $81.49 @ OutletPC
Storage Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $81.49 @ OutletPC
Storage Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $81.49 @ OutletPC
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $65.99 @ SuperBiiz
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $65.99 @ SuperBiiz
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card $492.99 @ NCIX US
Case Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $84.99 @ NCIX US
Power Supply XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $106.99 @ SuperBiiz
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $2462.87
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-29 03:56 EST-0500
  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you mercstealth it is interesting that all storage you preferred to go with all ssd drives? Is there a Raid Setup you would reckon?

  • 53 months ago
  • 2 points

RAID 0 is the fastest..

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

This has an 8-core i7, 32GB of RAM, a single 980ti, a really fast M.2 SSD, and two workstation HDDs that you could put in RAID 1. If your work has good GPU accerlation, I would just get a 5820K, and two 980tis. If you want, you can upgrade to 64GB of RAM if you need it. You could switch the cooler for a H100i GTX, and mount it in the top as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor $956.23 @ Micro Center
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $125.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard Asus X99-PRO ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard $301.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $169.98 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $189.99 @ B&H
Storage Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $119.75 @ OutletPC
Storage Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $119.75 @ OutletPC
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card $649.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case NZXT Noctis 450 ATX Mid Tower Case $136.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply EVGA 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $146.99 @ NCIX US
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $2917.65
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-30 11:57 EST-0500
  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

TankyKiller for Adobe After Effects work, In general lots of forums suggest that RAM is huge important. they say I should have at least 64gb minimum.

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

The 950 is the ssd for the os. Cpu is hooked to AIO Liquid coolers. If you don't start getting carried away overclocking things this should give you the lowest rpms on the fans and good temps overall. Since the listed goal of this build is rendering and more a work station I included Quadro M4000 instead of the standard geforce line. The ram could even be upgraded by adding another set of 4 to this board. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor $554.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler Corsair H110i GTX 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $119.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard MSI X99A Raider ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard $192.35 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $399.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $327.99 @ SuperBiiz
Storage Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $74.70 @ SuperBiiz
Storage Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $74.70 @ SuperBiiz
Video Card NVIDIA Quadro M4000 8GB Video Card $859.00 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $94.99 @ NCIX US
Power Supply EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $71.50 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) $130.38 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $2925.58
Mail-in rebates -$25.00
Total $2900.58
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 03:51 EST-0500
  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

shadowen great help much appreciated. In the meantime I had sold few items and now increased my budget to $3700-$3800 range, little less little more; just before you responded I was writing these down:

-Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5ghz -A potential Corsair Liquid Cooler for CPU lke you suggested. -Now I was leaning towards ASUS SABERTOOTH x99 ATX motherboard, (would love to get your opinion on that) -Memory (I wasn't really yet picking them before I am sure of motherboard, but def 64gb choice) -Now here comes my most confusing part. setting up hard drives, now for Sure like you emphasized, I am going to possibly go with Samsung 512GB 950 Pro M.2 the one with NVMe (is this the same one you wrote?) for OS/PROGAMS Because of my budget increase I was hoping to get also Samsung 1TB 850 EVO for render drive (exports) then I was hoping to do on board RAID 0 for something like 2x2TB Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB. and then finally adding another 7200rpm optical drive for 3TB for potential misc files to backup. -Now You got my attention by your comment on rendering aspect to get NVIDIA Quadro M4000 8gb, as a lot of people were suggesting 980ti option. but now I am perked up specially with my budget increase.

what do you think about my indications, and do you reckon Storage setup makes sense at all? Your time is appreciated indeed!

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

The biggest reason to swap to it is for rendering and 3d modeling as there are functions in some software that are only accessible with the firpro and quadro cards case in point AutoCAD locks its best features out. I would probably run three or four of the seagates with data redundancy think raid5 not sure about that in case one fails. Having a 850 evo 1tb wouldn't be bad. If you can though moving to the 5960x would be the best increase in system performance for you though. In the case of most of these programs more cores is always better as they are heavily CPU driven applications. Also the reason I recommended the MSI board was due to ram limitations on the Asus variants being capped at 64 with the other you can get to 128 later if you find a need. You could also use the extra to take it to the 128 now and setup a ram disk to act as your export drive with a 64 GB space that should have program option to allow you to save those files automatically to your raid array which should allow you all the speed you could want or need. But that's just a way around the storage needs.

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor $999.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $128.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard MSI X99A SLI KRAIT EDITION ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard $229.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $399.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $327.99 @ SuperBiiz
Storage Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $419.99 @ Micro Center
Storage Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $419.99 @ Micro Center
Storage Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $419.99 @ Micro Center
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card $649.99 @ Amazon
Case Thermaltake Suppressor F51 ATX Mid Tower Case $69.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA P2 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $145.98 @ Newegg
Optical Drive LG WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $52.88 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) $130.38 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $4436.14
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $4396.14
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 19:21 EST-0500
  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

I would honestly lower the power supply as you don't need unless you plan to run sli card. The pro might as well be evos running in raid 5 for reduncy as there is no fualt tolerance in raid 0 since this is obviously a home business machine. I still think the quadro is the better bet for this type of system as those cards have better reliability testing and features you can't get else where. This is NVIDI's take on it http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe-after-effects-cc.html. My build for this purpose would like http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hQJR23.

  • 53 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah I am torn between the 2 to be honest. I did read great things about 980ti for 4k video performance as well too though. I think I will keep my power supply at least at 750w though just to be safe you know?

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