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battle of the grandsons!

papaw51

62 months ago

I have 2 grandsons both are wanting to do a first time build of a gaming computer. One is into League of Legends the other is getting there but not near as competitive. Would someone please take a look at both of their builds and give them advice before I start ordering their parts? Links are partpicker.com/p/ptmpVn and partpicker.com/p/sLb8XL. Both know way more than I do about building their respective computers, but I would rather ask for advice than to let then spend their money on the wrong parts and part combinations. Partpicker says the builds they have put together are all compatible but wiser minds out there can help them both tweek their adventure or stop them from making costly mistakes. Would the AMD FD 6300 W4K Box FX 6 core processor be better than the AMD FX 4300 quad core? Cost is or was less than a dollar difference and he gets 6 instead of 4 core. Thank you in advance! Papaw

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  • 62 months ago
  • 2 points

Congrats on being a cool grandpa, but I couldn't get your lists to load.

  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

Sorry had a reply message and lost it checking something. Thats the way it has been going. Trying ti get ready for Christmas has got me chasing my tail. FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. Then I would apperciate your input on the youngest ones mobo. The MSI-970A-G43 ATX AM3+ and the 970Gaming are the same except the Gaming mobo has SLI support but will cost him an additional $33.00. Is that a smart move to do? http//pcpartpicker.com/p/sLb8XL in for the youngest one http//pcpartpicker.com/p/ptmpVn is the older grandson Again sorry for not getting back to you. I didnt notice there was a message. It has been that crazy. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

We would love to help you mate but your links are not clickable.

  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

Here's #1

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor $94.59 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Arctic Cooling ACALP64-GT 25.6 CFM CPU Cooler $8.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard $64.98 @ OutletPC
Memory A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $79.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive -
Video Card Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card $84.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $41.27 @ Amazon
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available $374.81
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-23 15:52 EST-0500

And here's #2

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor $99.29 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI A78M-E45 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard $64.98 @ OutletPC
Memory Kingston Fury Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $73.99 @ Amazon
Storage A-Data Premier Pro SP600 32GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $41.29 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus Radeon R7 260 1GB DirectCU II Video Card $122.96 @ Amazon
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer $14.98 @ OutletPC
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available $472.48
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-23 15:52 EST-0500
  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

To try and answer your latest question, there are a few differences in the gaming motherboards that justify the $33, but it's not necessary and a lot of it could be considered marketing hype.

SLI (Nvidia) and Crossfire (AMD) allow you to run two graphics cards at once and get a boost over using a single card. The theory is that in a few years when your video card is outdated, you could add another of the same card for cheap and get better performance. The catch with this is that the latest and greatest single video card for around the same price will almost always beat two old ones. It kind of only makes sense if you're on the bleeding edge and want two of the latest and greatest cards.

So unless he's planning on running two Nvidia cards, SLI isn't all that important.

  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor $94.59 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Arctic Cooling ACALP64-GT 25.6 CFM CPU Cooler $8.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard $64.98 @ OutletPC
Memory A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $79.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive -
Video Card Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card $84.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $41.27 @ Amazon
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available $374.81
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-23 15:52 EST-0500

Some thoughts on the first build:

  1. The FX-6300 is the sweet spot for price/performance among the FX chips. Like you said, it's two more cores for almost nothing.
  2. Depending on the latest deals, I think you could get cheaper RAM. Look for high speed and something with a low CAS (I like 10 or lower). You can probably get something 1866 or higher and 10 CAS or lower for around $63.
  3. That Radeon is a bit older of a card. I think it would make more sense to go with something from their newer line. Maybe an R7 260x or something from the R9 line would be even better as they're more capable and have really been dropping in price lately. Equivalent Nvidia cards start with the GTX 750ti. These tend to draw less power than the Radeon cards, but also tend to cost a smidge more, too.
  4. I don't see a case specified. Keep cable management in the back of your mind when picking one out.
  5. The FX should come with a stock cooler, and I don't know that the one picked out is going to be much better. The gold standard for price/performance around here is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo at about $30.
  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

The Fx-6300 is indeed better then the 4300. It's single thread performance is a bit better, but it also has two more cores. Definitely worth it. Also, the A10 build is a bit weaker then the FX build, so I'd recommend them both going for a FX-6300 build with a R7 260. Also, dishing out a bit more money for a Hyper EVO 212 instead of the arctic cooling cooler would not be a bad idea. You can get a decent overclock with the EVO 212, and the FX series is made for overclocking. And a SSD at this price point would be so small and/or bad quality it wouldn't be worth it.

  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor $99.29 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI A78M-E45 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard $64.98 @ OutletPC
Memory Kingston Fury Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $73.99 @ Amazon
Storage A-Data Premier Pro SP600 32GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $41.29 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus Radeon R7 260 1GB DirectCU II Video Card $122.96 @ Amazon
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer $14.98 @ OutletPC
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available $472.48
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-23 16:08 EST-0500

Some thoughts on the 2nd build:

  1. The processor selected is an APU that has graphics built in. If you're going to go with a discrete card, it's cheaper to get the processor without the GPU portion. In this case, the equivalent would be the Athlon X4 760k, which is pretty much identical. You can keep the same motherboard, etc., but you'll save about $30. If you wanted to go with the APU, the A10-5800 has been replaced by newer models. The A10-7850k will give a great gaming experience if it's matched with fast RAM. It's onboard GPU is equivalent to an R7 series discrete card.
  2. Same comments regarding the RAM as with the first build. If you decide to go with an APU, faster RAM really helps frame rates in games, and I'd recommend going with the fastest you can get. I think Mushkin 2400 is on sale right now.
  3. I like the idea of having the OS on a solid state drive, but that one is very small. The 120gb ones have been going for around $50 lately and would be a much better bet.
  4. Don't see a case or power supply. I guess you might already have those.
  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

Here's what I'd do for the first build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor $96.78 @ NCIX US
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $30.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard $64.98 @ OutletPC
Memory Mushkin Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory $62.99 @ Newegg
Storage *Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $47.00 @ Amazon
Video Card *Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card $109.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $34.99 @ Newegg
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available $447.72
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-23 16:21 EST-0500
  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

Here's where I'd go with the 2nd build, or change the processor to the Athlon X4 760k and add a R7 260x.:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD A10-7850K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor $139.98 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI A78M-E45 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard $64.98 @ OutletPC
Memory Mushkin Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory $62.99 @ Newegg
Storage Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $54.99 @ SuperBiiz
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99 @ Amazon
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer $14.98 @ OutletPC
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available $392.91
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-23 16:24 EST-0500
  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

Sorry to keep spamming your post. Just wanted to mention that I don't have mail-in rebates turned on for any of the builds I do because I find it to be a giant hassle hoping they're accepted and waiting six months on a gift card. If you want to use them, though, it could save you some money in absolute terms. Merry Christmas!

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