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Enthusiast AMD Ryzen Gaming Build

by manirelli

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  • #1: Enthusiast AMD Ryzen Gaming Build (1 month ago)

Description

With the release of the new R7 Ryzen processors from AMD we decided to put together a second version of the Enthusiast Gaming build. The performance in gaming is similar to that of the Intel equivalent part list. We’ve also created a build video based on this part list with some upgrades and tweaks that will be uploaded shortly.

CPU and Cooler

The R7 1700 is an octo-core processor that utilizes AMD SMT technology for a total of sixteen threads. This model has the best price for performance of the three new processors and it comes bundled with an RGB stock cooler. Like the rest of the R7 CPUs, the 1700 is overclockable and the stock cooler is more than capable for some moderate increases in clock speed. If you are looking to squeeze out even higher clocks, you can opt to add a CPU cooler to this part list. Keep in mind, at the current time, many of the higher end coolers on the market require an additional bracket that is not yet available but should be shipping soon.

Motherboard

We're using a parametric selection of X370 ATX motherboards. This will allow for both SLI or Crossfire graphics card setups. If you only plan to use a single GPU, you may consider looking into B350 motherboards instead – both X370 and B350 support CPU overclocking. The parametric selection will actively choose the best-priced motherboard of the group. Additionally, they all have 4 DDR4 DIMM slots, 6-8 SATA ports, and PCIE/NVME capable m.2 slots. All of the selected motherboards have video outputs but these will only work with the upcoming Ryzen APUs as the R7 processors do not have onboard graphics.

Memory

For memory, we're filtering for the best-priced 2x8GB kit of DDR4 RAM with a heatsink. Feel free to click the "From parametric filter" link to see the various options and pick a color that suits your part list.

Storage

We're also using a parametric filter that will actively select the best-priced SSD of roughly 1TB capacity. Everyone's storage needs differ, so feel free to change the capacity, drive form factor, or add a mechanical drive to suit your storage requirements.

GPU

Our GPU is the very popular GeForce GTX 1080. This is currently one of the fastest single GPU video cards in the market - you may want to look into a 120-144Hz and/or 2560x1440 resolution monitor for this card. The parametric filter is set for the best-priced 1080 available, but feel free to click the "From parametric filter" link to browse our full list of 1080s. For those interested in VR, the GTX 1080 will have no problem playing any and all applications currently on the market. We would have liked to use the GTX 1080 Ti but stock is currently too low on most models for us to feel comfortable recommending it. As more models become available we will update the guide to include them.

Case

All of our parts are housed in the Corsair Crystal 460X RGB. This case comes bundled with three SP120 RGB fans at the front of the case to intake air. Both the side panel and the front are tempered glass so you can really see RGB lights shine through. The 460X RGB has a large shroud that can be used in two different positions to accommodate larger radiators or cooling setups that utilize the front fan mounts. Additionally, the case has plenty of room to manage the cables, USB3.0 ports, and fan filters on all of the major fan mounts.

PSU

Powering the build is a sparse selection of some of the most well-reviewed PSUs available - all without breaking the bank. All of them are certified 80+ Gold and fully-modular.

Let us know what you think of the build and your thoughts on AMD’s newest architecture update in the comments below. For the Intel version of our Enthusiast Gaming guide you can find it here.

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Estimated Wattage: 336W
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Motherboard $138.99 $138.99 SuperBiiz Buy
Memory
From parametric filter
  • Type: 288-pin DIMM
  • Size: 16GB (2x8GB)
  • Heat Spreader: Yes
$93.99 FREE $93.99 Newegg Buy
Storage
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 960GB - 10TB
  • Type: SSD
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Video Card
From parametric filter
  • Chipset: GeForce GTX 1080
$474.42 $474.42 Jet Buy
Case $139.99 FREE $139.99 B&H Buy
Power Supply $89.99 -$15.00 $74.99 NCIX US Buy
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Base Total: $1508.27
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Total: $1493.27
* Using your selected merchants and only including nearby in-store pickup prices)
* Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders.

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John_Titor 23 points 1 month ago

While i'm sure this is going to work well, I have to question spending so much on the showy case just to cheap out on the RAM.

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 3 points 1 month ago

...also,the most people ignore the big airflow capability for some cases,and they want to buy a more "fancy looking" case ...at least,if they want to spent much money in a case,this case should have the ability to "carry" 140mm case fans and above ...especially some cases can be equipped with 180mm fans or 200mm fans,and make the interior case cooling exceptional,big,and silent ... especially for overclockers this is a MUST ! ... in order to avoid high temperatures in mobo parts,and improve even more the cooling ability of cpu air coolers ... because the very big airflow into a case will work as an extra "assist" to other cooling parts,such as gpu`s,cpu,memories,etc etc ...

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

...not to mention of course,the beauty and the abilities this case has,in a similar price range ... https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bd7CmG/thermaltake-core-x71-tempered-glass-edition-atx-full-tower-case-ca-1f8-00m1wn-02

Matthew83 2 points 20 days ago

the optical bays look floppy drives on that monster

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 20 days ago

sure ! ... but anyway,it`s far superior in abilities ... also,it has glass window,which make it look attractive enough,without compromises in quality and performance ...

Lex_B 1 point 2 days ago

Yeah, I hate fancy looking items, I just want them to be tough and 100% functional when I'm gaming. Plain extra large server case with great ventillation does me just fine, not to mention, it's easy to put stuff in or take it out. No tight squeezes with heatsink / heat exchangers, etc.

Of the big standard PC cases, I love the NZXT Phantom 630 series, plenty of room to stuff my drives, cards and everything I need to be in that case. I prefer the non-windowed version of it, costs a bit more but it looks great.

ParadoXGodzillA 2 points 1 month ago

The 16 gb Corsair RGB RAM is really cheap, it's a 3000 DDR4 (don't quote on me for the specs, this is what I saw a few days ago) and costs about $110.

XxAlexcsxX 1 point 21 days ago

Rly cheap LEL if u go 3 months back they cost like 30 or 40 € less the ram market is so high right now if u wanna buy a ram or a new pc dont buy now it wait for 5 months or something like that

MgMiitch 2 points 10 days ago

Ram pricing is on a steady rise, not a temporary spike. If you are planning a build, now is the time, rather than later. RAM quantities are decreasing, expecially DDR4. Prices will continue to rise from her on out

AlbinoRhino 2 points 7 days ago

Exactly. If you have a future build in mind buy the Ram now. The forecast for cheaper Ram lands sometime next year.

With Vega and Volta coming now is a good time to prepare.

Lex_B 1 point 2 days ago

It's being artificially held back, so that the price can rise, artificial supply shorting is nothing new. Someone will break rank and the prices will plummet again, only to start the cycle all over again.

RamenWrestler 1 point 17 days ago

Yeah, I was able to purchase my Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000 for $80 in October.

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ZeroInfinity 1 point 14 days ago

I think 2933/3200mhz will be the sweet spot for most Ryzen builds.

Lex_B 1 point 2 days ago

That's correct, depending on the BIOS and UEFI coding, such as Asus. It's not just a CPU limitation of being able to train at specific frequencies and other timing parameters. Some internal components may not like certain frequencies of the RAM and actually be worse in terms of performance. While it's technically possible to train at 3 GHz (3000 MHz) for CAS 13 timing, not many boards for AMD AM4 socket support this yet, the CPU does but manufacturers have to work on the rest of it.

I actually am looking forward to 3000 MHz CAS 13 with 64 GB RAM. I have the 3200 CAS 14 with 64 GB, installed on the 1800x system and it works fine. I have an Intel computer that uses the 3000 MHz CAS 13 and it kicks butt!

Someone0011 2 Builds 1 point 6 days ago

ram prices are so high right now people are forced to go cheap, only 8 months ago you could get 16 gb of ddr4 hyperX at a high clock speed and low cas for $68

Lex_B 1 point 2 days ago

Hyper-X is overpriced to begin with, it's not the most reliable brand either.

Eclypticon -5 points 1 month ago

With the current RAM the Ryzen infinity fabric will only run at about 1333mhz. Since this build has a 1080, I would recommend a 3000mhz module at bare minimum. Also keep in mind that Nvidia has plenty of room for improvement with regards to DX 12 and Ryzen. I'd spend the money on RAM.

BubbaYoloman -6 points 1 month ago

it's not cheaping out...it's ddr4-2666 ram from a reputable source, and 16 gigs of it too.

FcoEnriquePerez 5 points 1 month ago

Ryzen benefits from faster RAM, so, is recommended to use 3000Mhz or higher.

foohydude5 -2 points 1 month ago

I thought the Ryzen had trouble using RAM above 2133 MHz.

Edit: If they fix this issue, then I'm probably getting the Ryzen.

FcoEnriquePerez 2 points 1 month ago

There's a lot of reviews with 3000+ RAM. A lot of people posting their builds and benchmarks with 3000+ RAM on reddit.

There isn't already full support from all motherboard manufacturers with every RAM, but updates has been made.

foohydude5 1 point 1 month ago

Okay. I'm reading some posts about some people not being able to go above a certain frequency that is below the maximum frequency of their RAM. It very well could be a MOBO issue. Getting a high end motherboard like the Asus CROSSHAIR VI HERO ATX AM4 may fix the issue.

Just to clarify, people are posting benchmarks where they used 3000+ RAM or they are posting benchmarks where their 3000+ ram got 3000+ MHz?

Rgbeast 1 Build 0 points 1 month ago

The issue still exists. Using 1800x and Crosshair VI and I can confirm the RAM issue is still there.

kingknapp 2 points 1 month ago

Are you using RAM that is specifically compatible with Ryzen? I am no expert on the topic, but I believe that it is much better to get that type of RAM due to all DDR4 RAM being optimized towards Intel atm (heard this from JayzTwoCents).

foohydude5 1 point 1 month ago

Ah, that's a pity. I was watching linux tech tips and they were testing 3200 MHz DDR4. That led me to believe that the problem was fixed.

I hope it is a firmware/driver problem and not a hardware problem.

foohydude5 1 point 1 month ago

What is your MOBO?

foohydude5 1 point 1 month ago

My bad, just saw your post

John_Titor -1 points 1 month ago

Parametrics on ca.pcpartpicker.com have 2133 RAM. Still, wouldn't recommend spending that much on a case for someone who just wants a good build, it doesn't really improve performance.

barishsarac -1 points 1 month ago

But it can cause to burn all of your components inside.

I'd say, spend it if you want it looking cool. Some people "obviously" don't care much how it looks.

AwesomeBuilderXE1901 3 Builds -8 points 1 month ago

RAM speed doesn't even matter, it only provides negligible performance benefits. You might as well just get some 2133 RAM and spend the saved money on a better GPU/mobo.

jj0322 5 points 1 month ago

Ryzen's "infinity fabric" really benefits from higher RAM speeds.

Not to mention this is a gaming PC, and some games (i.e. Fallout 4) show a great performance increase from higher RAM speeds as well.

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deathbat6916 1 point 1 month ago

"RAM speed doesn't even matter, it only provides negligible performance benefits." LOL... like 10+ fps in the Witcher 3 isn't significant.

adamjoe86 1 point 1 month ago

An additional 10 fps is only significant if the system is struggling and pulling a low fps. IF it is pulling 60+ fps, will 10 more fps really be noticeable. Just stating that an increase is only significant with respect to where it started.

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

It makes quite a difference with Ryzen and somewhat of a difference with Skylake/Kabylake.

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Dender25 14 points 1 month ago

not the best amd part list. im not hatin' but it could be better.

GoTeamRed 11 points 1 month ago

Agreed, a lot of these mod made build guides aren't very good, I wish they would bring back user build guides.

ElDiablo666 5 points 22 days ago

They ditched user build guides in favor of mod build guides? Typical traitor trajectory. The pathetic inevitability is now so comical it doesn't even elicit attention.

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Qunithepro 5 points 1 month ago

A Ryzen 5 1600X will do better at gaming, and an X370 board is not 100% necessary as only one GTX 1080 is used. Also, a NVME M.2 SSD would've been great. All in all, decent build but could include a lot of changing.

Apollonir 3 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

A 1600x isn't "better" it's about the same maybe a couple percent slower but the 1700 has significant gains in productivity based workloads. And if you really wanted to talk about value then you would get a 1600 not a 1600x as you can just overclock the 1600 to get the exact same performance as the 1600x. And that brings me into my next point, an X370 board with better power phases is a lot better if you're going to be overclocking. SLI isn't the main differentiator between B350 and X370 as many B350 boards already have SLI, the difference is in the power phases, integrated wifi better audio chips etc.

tbrown176 1 Build 0 points 6 days ago

Spot on Apollonir, well said!

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Qunithepro 1 point 1 month ago

R5 1600X has higher clocked cores compared to R7 1700. Games do not use all 8 cores of R7. Idk

cheezmeister -1 points 1 month ago

If a game is multi threaded, it's probably going to use all 8 R7 cores, rather than just 2, or 4... Also, all Ryzen cores are literally the same, AMD just isn't a big (compared to Intel) company. The 1700X and 1800X and apparently 1600X must be partly overclocked in the box somehow (or the 1700, 1600 etc underclocked) and in the R5s, some cores are disabled, rather than not manufactured.

cheezmeister 1 point 15 days ago

1 edit: AMD makes 2 types of Ryzen. 95 and 65W, the 1700 and 1800X. The rest of the Ryzen CPUs have disabled cores and/or underclock.

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Vahadriel 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

agreed, it lacks a lot of flair, and performance

Meatballfreak 3 points 1 month ago

Waaay to Expensive

adventureguy 1 Build 3 points 1 month ago

It's enthusiast anyway. Not like "I like to burn my money" enthusiast but you still should be ready take a few bullets in your wallet when building this kind of stuff

Vahadriel 2 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

you're right its completely unreasonable to spend an additional $150 for significantly more storage space, a better 1080, a non stock cpu cooler, way better ram, and a much more consistent look... wait no that's totally worth the additional cost, especially due to the tangible performance gain from the ram frequency alone.

tbrown176 1 Build 1 point 6 days ago

This is why I don't like that filter.

Aquakitty 3 points 1 month ago

Ridiculous choices if you are looking for a Canadian build. I suppose it's good if you like red. Everything on the list has better options.

Dugga411@hotmail.com 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Why the founders edition? aren't there cheaper or better preforming 1080s like the turbo or windforce? but otherwise +1

carrotrocket 2 points 1 month ago

The parametric filter sorts by price, so it just picks the cheapest one. For 1080s, I think setting Boost Clock > 1.76 GHz should filter out all the FE cards, without losing too many aftermarket cards.

Dugga411@hotmail.com 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

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KittyKatt 1 Build 25 points 1 month ago

Here, you dropped this.

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Lex_B 2 points 2 days ago

Don't touch it, it's infected! Zombie arm!

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deathbat6916 1 point 1 month ago

It's for the best price to performance build out of those parts lol

MuchLinux6500 2 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

Yay! Ryzen build guide!

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MuchLinux6500 2 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

At the top, it says build guide.

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AwesomeBuilderXE1901 3 Builds 0 points 1 month ago

It's a build guide. Don't spread misinformed stuff. A featured build is below, in completed builds

MuchLinux6500 2 Builds 0 points 1 month ago

Yep :)

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Vclutch 2 points 1 month ago

Do you really need an ssd. Btw, if I were to make this, should I wait for optane

InvaderGir 2 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure Optane is an Intel specific technology, it requires motherboards that are officially certified to use it which is currently only on Z270 motherboards.

Jkll606 1 point 1 month ago

And a Kaby Lake CPU, as I've heard.

adventureguy 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Optane's only coming with 16 and 32GB varient. If it's the same as SSDs, they won't be a good choice until 2 years later. So yes, you need an SSD, unless you want to deal with 2 minutes Windows bootup times

GoTeamRed 0 points 1 month ago

I have an aging 1TB hard drive, and Windows only takes about 10 seconds to boot up... What are you talking about?

thebishopp 4 points 1 month ago

I call ********. A 10 second boot is booting from an SSD. Maybe everything else is on your aging 1TB HDD, but I will bet my left testicle that you are not getting a 10 second boot - from power up to booted in, from an again HDD. It just isn't possible. Stop lying.

SteveHeist 4 points 25 days ago

If, perchance, you are wrong, how would you prefer your testicle extracted?

thebishopp 1 point 24 days ago

It is not possible to get a 10 second boot from an old HDD. It just isn't. If it was, SSDs would have taken off very much slower, because their only benefit would be no moving parts and a smaller form factor. So my testicle is safe :)

adventureguy 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

You realize I'm being sarcastic right? I doesn't literally take 2 minutes. But an SSD is still ESSENTIAL. Especially at this price point. It helps with data transfer, and booting everything. From games to the OS. 10 seconds seem good, but SSDs can do much better, like 3 seconds or something like that. It helps even more when booting larger apps.

GoTeamRed 0 points 1 month ago

Honestly, a 7 second difference doesn't seem worth it, especially since there are absolutely no cheap 1TB SSD's on the market, and budget SSD's are known to go out quickly, so I would just rather stick to a sturdy higher capacity hard drive. I'm not falling for the SSD meme.

adventureguy 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Well I personally feel like it's a great drive for booting. You save 7 seconds for Windows, 7 seconds for Chrome, 7 seconds for booting games, 7 seconds shutting down your computer. But of course you'll see bigger improvements for something like a larger app such as GTA V or lots of video editing apps.

Namnguyen 2 points 1 month ago

The ryzen build is always enthusiastic! Why not the GTX 1070?

yawumpus 1 point 29 days ago

I suspect most looking for a 1070 will also be buying the R5. I suspect the 1080 was chosen because the 1080ti has the "early adopter" tax, and the 1080 was seen as the "affordable max" to go with the same "affordable max" of the Ryzen.

The other big problem with the 1070 is that the 1080 itself is a bit iffy at 4x (this is the big advantage of the 1080ti). The 1070 is about 20% worse (and has a slightly less price advantage) at those resolutions. If you are running 1920x1080 you might as well go for the AMD580. The 1070 might do well for those intermediate resolutions, but if you are looking for a new monitor I'd go straight to the 4x (if you are willing to buy a huge monitor. I'm less convinced that you can see/care about pixels much smaller than currently available at 1920x1080).

BROKE_AF_BOI 2 points 1 month ago

My first issue with this build is the ram. Why not go for something like 3000+? Ryzen actually benefits from faster clocked ram. Otherwise, solid!

itzjamz 2 points 29 days ago

that is really good spec for price is amazing im surprised HOW COULD YOU DO THAT?

kandufilms 2 points 28 days ago

I wonder the difference between the Ryzen and Intel on processing, for Video Editing?? They shouldn't be any different or would they?? with the same 1080 FE graphics card

Any ideas out of curiosity for a video editor ??

Cheers,

conakien 2 points 18 days ago

anyone know which brands provide warrenty in India for their components specifically for video cards ?

Qunithepro 1 point 1 month ago

I've heard that ryzen gets bottlenecked by RAM slower than 3000 MHz, is that true?

fluidofjustice 2 points 1 month ago

Ryzen chips do see sizable performance boosts from higher RAM speeds, even past 3000 mHz, but bottleneck probably isn't the best term to use as it would depend entirely on your use case. If your task is being limited by the CPU, then the RAM speed could be a possible bottleneck. If you are being limited by the GPU, then the effect of higher RAM speeds would be drastically reduced.

PCPaulPicker -4 points 1 month ago

I ryzen doesn't support past 2666

vagabond139 5 Builds 4 points 1 month ago

Uhhh....Yes it does.

SuperGuyDoesGames 2 points 1 month ago

He WAS correct. Not anymore though. AMD was quick to fix the issues with RAM either not going past 2666Mhz or not posting with faster RAM.

That is fixed though.

SuperGuyDoesGames 1 point 1 month ago

That was the case until a few weeks ago, when a new BIOS update came out and fixed the RAM speed issues.

kazip55 1 point 1 month ago

My friend might buy this build so is this good? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bq9PLD or maybe this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KpRhxY.

fluidofjustice 1 point 1 month ago

I would recommend following the parametric filter for this build when it comes to choosing a power supply. The NEX series isn't a horrible unit, but you can get better units for a similar price or a few dollars more. Your build is also completely capable of running on a 550W unit even with an overclock.

As for your 1700X build, you will need an aftermarket cooler since the 1700X and 1800X do not come with one.

kazip55 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks for the advice.

bobBobberson 1 point 1 month ago

I'd probably do something like this if I were going for a 1700X/1080 build. It's around the same price as the build guide but has better selected parts in my opinion.

SirHalpin 1 Build 1 point 12 days ago

just get a Samsung 120Gb SSD (the M.2 is also the same price oddly enough) and 1Tb WD Caviar Blue for more space for way less, who needs a 1Tb SSD in a budget build

tbrown176 1 Build 1 point 6 days ago

I don't agree. If you have a 1700x dont settle for 2666 RAM on a Ryzen that has been shown to run better with 3200. 2666 to 3200 is almost a 50% increase in performance. Not a fan of the blower card either.

AwesomeBuilderXE1901 3 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

You should really post this on the Part List Opinions Wanted Forum.

dirtcollins 1 point 1 month ago

I am currently building a a Ryzen 7 computer and I was curious what is the best memory and motherboard to use is?

I would like the highest memory speeds possible. (stable speeds)

What are my best memory options?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Going higher speed will vary from motherboard to motherboard. I would make sure to check the manufacturer products pages and do some research as higher speed support seems to be pretty inconsistent right now.

dirtcollins 2 points 1 month ago

Could you help me with my part list and build? My head is spinning. I have been doing research for 3 weeks now. and i cant fully figure this out. my budget is $2,400

dirtcollins 1 point 1 month ago

I was thinking of getting the MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon or the Asus Crosshair VI

dirtcollins 1 point 1 month ago

What memory to get?

henrath 2 points 1 month ago

Samsung B-die memory is the best. any Gskill, Team, or Geil RAM 3000MHz or higher should be that. Corsair may have it, but it used to use Hynix memory on theirs though so it may not be Samsung.

dirtcollins 1 point 1 month ago

This is what I have so far: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdxjKZ

bobBobberson 1 point 1 month ago

If you're wanting to stick with the 1080Ti, you could do something like this. You're paying quite the premium for that case though, if you were willing to go with something in the $80 range and went with a 1080 instead you could SLI 1080s just under your max budget.

kazip55 1 point 1 month ago

All games doesn't support sli plus in the furture when the 1080ti comes down in price then he can sli the 1080ti.

dirtcollins 1 point 1 month ago

Memory Help needed: (please see Newegg Compare Product Link below)

What is the difference between these 3 memories. Ignore that the Flare X is 8GB dimms. They all have the save frequency and Voltage and Timing. The differences I can see are the TridentZ is using the Intel Z170 Platform Chipset and the G.Skill is using the ADM X370 / B350 Chipset. and the Ripjaws V isn’t doesn’t have a Chipset listed.

I am trying to figure out what to buy.

I am also trying to figure out what Ryzen Motherboard will be able to form just as well with 4 dimms of memory as it does with 2 dimms.

Newegg Compare Products Link:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?CompareItemList=-1%7C20-232-230%5E20-232-230%2C20-232-379%5E20-232-379%2C20-232-530%5E20-232-530

jsoutherland89 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

All three of these should work with AMD X370/B350 boards

yawumpus 1 point 29 days ago

I strongly suspect it would make more sense to put the water cooling on the GPUs than the CPU. Can't say I know where to source the bracket and/or water coolers, but I suspect you could get two coolers easily for the price of the x62 [I'm seeing $160 currently]. You'll still need a CPU cooler, but unless you are wringing the last drop of performance out of a Ryzen, it doesn't matter as much as it used to.

That is unlikely to be true of the GPUs.

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

NOT BAD ! ...EXPENSIVE THOUGH ...

SirHalpin 1 Build 1 point 12 days ago

to be honest, I did just buy that Samsung 960 EVO PRO 512Gb M.2 that you have but it was on sale for waaaay less, for this price you have listed you're better off getting a 960 PRO 120Gb or EVO 512Gb and a nice fat Western Digital HDD with the money you'd save

Wintermote 1 point 1 month ago

Currently you can only get up to 3200Mhz working on B350 boards.

Higher than 3200Mhz is possible but only on the X370 boards that allow modifying the baseclock.

AMD is releasing a microcode update within 1-2 months that may increase non-overclock RAM speeds for both the B350 and X370 boards.

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dirtcollins 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks so much for your knowlege.

Would we be able to talk on skype or discord or google hangout? i was going to pick your brain a bit.

i have bought all the parts but the motherboard. that is what i cant decide.

My Top 4 Choices Currently:

GIGABYTE AORUS GA-AX370 MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero ASRock Motherboard Z270 Taichi

tbrown176 1 Build 1 point 6 days ago

I went with the Taichi due in part to the superior VRMs, 2 M.2 Slots, and ability to change everything from base clock to PStates. If is a complex board but fun to play with and tune in to how you want it.

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dirtcollins 1 point 1 month ago

what board would you pick?

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Cmdr__Tim 1 point 1 month ago

It's here!

Cmdr__Tim 1 point 1 month ago

Shouldn't you have faster ram since you're using ryzen?

adventureguy 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

It's not that big of a difference anyway.

JackOfSpades789 7 points 1 month ago

Yes, there is a major difference with RAM speeds when it comes to Ryzen. The infinity fabric is directly tied to your RAM speeds, so the faster you if RAM the faster your system will be.

adventureguy 1 Build 0 points 1 month ago

A major difference? How big? I did hear that there is a biggER difference compared to Intel, but it if it's like 1 second difference then....meh.

JackOfSpades789 3 points 1 month ago

No, it is usually a much bigger difference than 1 second. Due to the dual CCX design that AMD chose you need to have the Infinity Fabric running as fast as possible so you don't suffer delays in what you are doing. Look up the benchmarks already done with 3200Mhz RAM and compare them to the reviews done with 2133 or 2400Mhz RAM and tell me if you believe there is a tangible difference.

adventureguy 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Well I believe you. I was just confused because I never knew that the difference was that much. I figured that a build guide won't be that accurate.

deathbat6916 1 point 1 month ago

10+ FPS gain in Witcher 3, for example.

Maggost 1 point 1 month ago

Hello, i would like to know why you choose that DDR4 memory with a very low clock speed.

InvaderGir 1 point 1 month ago

The parametric filter just chooses the cheapest kit within the set parameters and doesn't have one set for speeds.

Also Ryzen is a little iffy when it comes to memory speeds so that could be another reason.

azile0 1 point 1 month ago

It used to be iffy. Now, we can conclusively see that Ryzen benefits from 2444+ MHz RAM.

Vahadriel 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

I don't know if id call this enthusiast, it seems a little bland, and lacking a little oomph (not so much cpu, but gpu selection's a little boring) but decent build all in all

Victor1+ 0 points 1 month ago

What do you think of this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdnNjc

Vahadriel 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

great no frills no build, but if i were to make a small exception make the smaller ssd an m.2 and use it for os

Victor1+ 1 point 1 month ago

Your the first person to know why I have the small ssd lol. Also is this what you are talking about? https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-960-EVO-Internal-MZ-V6E250BW/dp/B01LYFKX41/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1492387532&sr=1-4&keywords=m.2+ssd

Vahadriel 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

like this... maybe not necessarily such an expensive one if youre on a budget, but if money is no option than yeah this is perfect

Vahadriel 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

how about this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VM4rXH

the Corsair 120 LED Fan is to replace the one on cpu cooler, then the one on cpu cooler plus additional red cooler master fan for case

mfvicli 1 point 1 month ago

Do I need to buy something separate for wired/wireless internet access? or a disc drive? I have no experience with building PC's so I don't know how any of these would fit help?

80-wattHamster 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Wired is built-in, wireless usually isn't. The only available AM4 board with wireless listed on PCPP at the moment is the ASRock X370 Taichi, which is pretty expensive. An add-in wireless adapter is a better bet. There isn't an optical disc drive in this parts list. If you need to read or write discs, you'll need to add one.

mfvicli 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks for responding!! :) good info

jeremiahweed 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

im going to wait til ryzen 5 and 3. does u no good if ur engine is so powerful ur tires sit in spin more then moving the car. that engine be best suited in a caterpiller moving boulders but enuff painting the picture this would be nice to build and look at thou

azile0 1 point 1 month ago

This computer will only 'spin' if you fail to utilize it properly, which is a user error, not a fault of the machine. This will absolutely destroy intensive tasks like high-resolution gaming, video editing, rendering and streaming.

Slurth 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Love it! +1.

Sphyloid 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Slow ram with a CAS latency of 15 on a Ryzen chip? Think ill stick to my own builds

itzjamz 1 point 1 month ago

great build but why are you using the founders edition of the 1080 the zotac amp edition is much better

azile0 1 point 1 month ago

That SSD is overpriced for what you need. Breaking it up into a <=$150 SSD and a <=$100 HDD will give you more storage for less overall price. The nearly 1TB SSD is overkill for gaming purposes, 500GB is enough, and a 1-2TB HDD will provide data/media storage for the average user.

xXTCXx 1 point 1 month ago

i want it

BiggerGAMER64 1 point 1 month ago

same!

BiggerGAMER64 1 point 1 month ago

noice build, i really want it!

FcoEnriquePerez 1 point 1 month ago

Maybe an aftermarket water cooler?

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

not bad ! also cheap enough ! ... better builded setup,you may dismiss screen or hdd,if u don`t need them .. the target was to put the best parts for your cpu type,and also in their price range and type of parts ... even the mouse is highly dpi ... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6LWxjc

Ugoretron 1 point 1 month ago

i made a toaster and it's still good but not built well for gaming. it would be too pricey then https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6k7QYr

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

I understood already you aimed for a cheap rig,but maybe you had to wait a bit more to build something like that,a bit more expensive (i haven`t seen screen on your list,so i suppose you already have one) ... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zQqsCy

kamaljyot 1 point 1 month ago

can anyone give me feedback on my build. thank you in advance! https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rxWVZ8

medokn 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Nearly my build...

ulriksonne02@gmail.com 1 point 1 month ago

I would have liked someting extra like a 3 or 2 tb harddrive included with this but other than that this is a pretty cool build.

Craig_Hubley 1 point 1 month ago

The only reason to put a big spinning metal drive in a box is because you foolishly only gave it 1GbE... 2x1GbE or better yet 1x2.5GbE or 1x5GbE and you have no reason to keep any spinning metal in a box.

Craig_Hubley 1 point 1 month ago

Contrast my "silent screamer" https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Craig_Hubley/saved/rbW6hM

The above is slower RAM, noisier video card (making the system a power pig), and has only 1GbE LAN port instead of the 5GbE. Also it uses a single SSD instead of pairing them for better performance. I agree that the AMD Ryzen 7 1700 is better than the ones with video built in... because those restrict the video you can use.

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

First of all,you must never forget that Ryzen 7 CPUs is not a par of Intel's 8-core CPU's,due to big lane differences they have ... so,8-core Ryzen CPU's cannot handle with same ease the advantages of PCI e slots,only share-splitted those slots,even with the addition of plx chips,the total CPU lanes will not increase,only the communication between those slots will be improved ... don't consider I'm an Intel enthusiast, on the contrary ! ... I don't want to change your decisions, but I consider that a lower CPU choice, like Ryzen 5 6-core or 4-core will be more suitable to existing CPU lane availabilities on AM4 motherboards,similar to Intel's
I7 6-core or 4-core ...

RetroManny 1 point 1 month ago

How is this build for streaming? am i able to stream 1080 p 60 fps? Obs with no issues? (Please no Troll Answers)

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 3 points 1 month ago

Consider streaming like reading a book the better the processor,the memories,and the graphics card,will be like projecting the book via a QUALITY PROJECTOR to a wall, and read it from there... if CPU,memory, and GPU aren't so good,the projector will have bad viewing quality... so, yes,this setup will be extravaganza good for browsing in 1080p 60fps ...

ElJuego1977 7 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

extravaganza good

I like that, may have to steal it!

Aquakitty 1 point 1 month ago

Are you talking about broadcasting your own gaming stream, or streaming movies to yourself? A rather big difference since a $50 streaming device can accomplish the latter.

Either way, big overkill and a waste of money for this build. This build is good for someone who wants a pretty red LED gaming PC.

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

One simple setup will be more functional, with really fast boot os ssd,with memories that were tested even as 4-channeled without degradation of operating frequency from qvl, as other type of memories,also this setup has a case that can be equipped with 140mm fans all over in order to improve the airflow with better fans like Silverstone, for oc, the PSU exceeds power expectations for 24/7 operation of PC, even it's not gold rated and expensive https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZPhdcc

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

Also, with similar amount of money someone can built a much more competitive set in all fields, with a GPU that may be somehow worse than 1080,but still very good for its cost ... also,with the addition of 3 more scythe fans onto CPU cooler someone can overclock CPU furthermore... Silverstone fans into case will improve even more the cooling status ... personally I believe that Asrock Taichi or professional gaming could be better as they have more phases,but the cost will increase with small profit for the extra cost https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fXCKRG

Victor1+ 1 point 1 month ago

The first "True gaming pc" I got was a prebuilt from alienware. This is my first time attempting to do a custom build pc and I want to make sure if I am doing it right. Was always afraid because I didn't know what parts would work together but now that I found this site I am a little more relieved to try it. Here is my build so far, willing to pay more for a better experience. Also looking on getting the acer predator x34p when it comes out or this monitor will link both as well. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdnNjc

https://www.amazon.com/PG278QR-G-SYNC-Gaming-Screen-Monitor/dp/B01N4ENDXR

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-UltraWide-Widescreen-X34/dp/B016GNX4SE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492187586&sr=1-1&keywords=acer+predator+x34p https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdnNjc

thebishopp 1 point 1 month ago

Ok, the AMD/Intel cpu argument is ongoing. You don't need the 7700k, an R5 1600 with good cooling will stand you in excellent stead for gaming. Unless money is no object and you simply want the highest possible FPS even though you cannot see the difference between 90 and 150. A ryzen cpu will also give you more cores so allow you to do other things. If the rig is purely for gaming, sure, the 7700k will do you well.

Also, don't cheap on the case. It makes a HELL of a difference. If you're willing to spend over $700 on a GPU, spend at least $100 on a decent case!

Try this Ryzen build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w69Y7h - if $1800 is high for you, you could easily go for a B350 mobo (Gygabite gaming 3 for instance); and a 1070 GPU. Or stick with Intel, but seriously, spend more on the case!

Victor1+ 1 point 1 month ago

Thx for the info. Yes, I will be multitasking and I might try out the better case. My budget is $3500 dollers but it includes pretty much everything else. Here is the link to what I havehttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/Victor1%2B/saved/

thebishopp 1 point 1 month ago

I don't know enough about Z270 motherboards to say which would be the best board, but that seems an acceptable option to me. I'm a little confused as to the 1tb SSD, plus a smaller SSD and 2tb HDD. I'd suggest 1 good size SSD (525GB MX300 perhaps) for windows/linux and software/games, and a larger HDD for all media/data... That works out quite a bit cheaper and still gives you the SSD speed and massive storage for everything else...

I'm never quite convinced by the highest end GPUs - almost £800 for a 1080Ti... I would suggest (although feel free to ignore me, this is just my opinion!) a decent 1070 and 32GB of ram instead of 16... more ram is better for multitasking/video encoding etc

I do think you'd be better off with Ryzen than Intel seeing as the multi-core offerings of Ryzen absolutely smash similarly priced Intel offerings in multi tasking. You could go a 1070, and pair it with a Ryzen 1700 and an X370 motherboard, then chuck 32GB of DDR 4 3200 in it, and you'd be sorted for quite some time...

Victor1+ 2 points 1 month ago

Ah, I use a hybrid build, the ssd for my games to load faster and the HDD for my files to save more money because my files don't require super fast speed. As for the small ssd, that is to store just the operating system and maybe office pro, so it will boot faster as well as not interfere with the games that I play causing no bottleneck when gaming.

thebishopp 1 point 1 month ago

Terrible gaming build. Not enthusiast or gaming! Try this for gaming: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/34bzRG much better list...

Aquakitty 1 point 1 month ago

Yikes, enthusiast means spend 2k now?

thebishopp 1 point 1 month ago

That's basically the 1080, although to be honest it's WAAAY overkill for the system. If someone has over £500 just for a GPU they have £300 for CPU, £200+ for mobo etc... I should update that to an RX480 or a 1060 6GB...

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

I won't insist guys on recommending better parts for building a PC ,but it wouldn't be a bad idea at all to make someone the best possible PC,with the less possible money ... What's the point for example to put someone a 1080 GPU,if he intends to play a game in 1080p at 40-60 fps,and not going for 4k gaming ? one 1050ti 4gb,or a rx470 or max rx480 8gb would suffice a lot,and save a lot of money in that way? even if wants to try his luck with such cards in 4k in low or medium fps settings,it would also suffice .. also,what's the point of making an exceptional rig,if he doesn't consider adding at least an Samsung 960 evo NVME ssd for os,and a secondary HDD as main storage? even if the mb doesn't have an m2 slot,a secondary normal PCI-e slot with at least x4 capability can hold an m2 ssd via adapter aftermarket PCI-e card ...

deathbat6916 2 points 1 month ago

I would get a 1070 for 1080p personally ;P

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

hmmm ... of course the good thing about 1060,1070,1080 GPUs is that could be proved future promising,according to their specs ... on the other hand,someone can "crossfire" 2 cards RX480 8GB(EACH) in a x370 motherboard such as Asrock Taichi,and save some money ... you see,its more tempting to make such a rig,because it will outbust immediately the 1070 or the 1080 in specs ..with less money,make better rig ...of course,someone can make a rig with b350 msi tomahawk,which can handle 1 gpu only,combined with a 1070 and a 1080 gpu,but again will be more expensive .... of course,someone can make a rig with 2 1070 or 2 1080`s in SLI,which will be dreaming,but the cost will raise on the sky ... make more for less is my philosofy ...

WEBMASTERS-TEAM 1 point 1 month ago

one more good option-of course-could be a step-by -step building ... starting with the absolute basics for a dreaming machine,and keeping the already existed pc untill buying all pc parts ... which means buying first month the SLI-ready motherboard,next month buy the good case with emphasis to high airflow capability,next month buy the memories,next month the extremmely good cpu air cooler to avoid future leaks,the next month the very powerful psu,next the cpu,next,the first nvidia gpu,next month the second nvidia gpu,etc etc ... at least,the big cost will come easy-easy,and not at once ...

Wintermote 1 point 1 month ago

CPU: R5's are better gaming performance for the price; but this build looks like it was made before the R5's released, so I'll give leeway there. Nevertheless, this build would have same/better performance with a 1600x and be cheaper to boot.

Motherboard: All of the B350 boards are able to overclock R5's just fine. Zen chips hit an overclock wall, so overbuilt VRM's on the X370's aren't necessary for the R5's. MAYBE for the R7's, but even then I think it's questionable. The only big reason to get an X370 at this moment is to overclock the baseclock for RAM faster than 3200Mhz, or to crossfire/SLI cards. You're doing neither...

Memory: Zen benefits from faster RAM, and you've got about as slow and cheap as you can get. I know RAM's expensive right now, but switching from R7 to R5 and X370 MB to B350 easily covers the price difference and then some. Go for 3000Mhz - 3200Mhz

Storage: If you want high capacity storage, buy a magnetic drive. If you want fast, buy an NVME SSD. The SATA SSD's are on the way out, and you're spending as much on a 1TB SATA SSD as you could on a 500GB NVME SSD that is literally 3-6x faster.

Videocard: There's no AMD equivalent in the 1080's weight class right now, but with Nvidia's drivers gimping AMD's CPU performance, you're better off getting an AMD card to go in the AMD system when they do come out with a competitive GPU.

Case: It's flashy, but expensive. You could get some good/better cases for almost half the price.

PSU: 550W is really questionable for an 8 core (potentially OC'd - why else the X370) CPU, plus a high end power hungry GPU.

Overall: 2/5, you could get the same performance out of a computer $200-$500 cheaper than this.

ParadoXGodzillA 1 point 1 month ago

How about the Aorus Gigabyte 1080 Ti GPU? It's really good and works well with the RYZEN 5 1600X.

Flybyderp 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Ryzen needs faster ram, it really shines when you get around 3000Mhz. I'd grab the corsair 3000Mhz 16GB LPX kit for $109 and hope you get lucky with your mobo.

rushingaming 1 point 1 month ago

great build but I'd personally go for the 960 evo 500gb m.2 that's in the same price range but still a great pick if you need that terabyte of storage.

Iceking350 1 point 1 month ago

Dude, i am gonna use that case in my build, sick. Lol i thought it was my build for a second. Hopefully the prices for those dont go up.

Slurth 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Pretty quality, instead of 1TB of SSD space you should get a 256 SSD and a 2 TB to save money.

LonghornAlamo2040 1 point 29 days ago

Awwww yis.

Wolfamelon 1 Build 1 point 27 days ago

I've just built my new pc with the same motherboard and it has the little '24' displayed even after post and once its in windows. I noticed that in the cable management timelapse, at the end, it shows the motherboard with the same '24' displayed. I was wondering if this is normal behaviour? I'm just a bit worried because those are supposed to be error codes.

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 27 days ago

Check your manual to see what the status code 24 is.

Wolfamelon 1 Build 1 point 27 days ago

The 24 code is supposedly a memory issue but i have had no memory issues and it persists through post when it shouldn't. It seemed awfully coincidental that this build was showing the same code, hence why i was asking.

GeorgeCons 1 point 27 days ago

Founders Edition Video Card realy...

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 2 points 27 days ago

The parametric filter automatically selects the least expensive component based on the given filters.

GeorgeCons 1 point 27 days ago

nice profile pic

MannyPCs 1 point 9 days ago

The ftw dt from evga dropped in price so that is a great deal now on value and asthetics

jeanlancel 1 point 25 days ago

If someone were to build me a PC based on this, I would honestly be very pissed due to the lack of consideration for so many import factors. From the get-go, you wouldn't want a blower style GPU baring some very rare situations. Secondly, going cheap on memory, on a memory dependent platform like ryzen and for a build worth nearly 2 grands is simply preposterous. A lot more care should be taken when selecting a MOBO-RAM pair based on their respective CVL. I didn't even mention the storage option yet but this is just as bad as every other part of the build. The storage is the last component that you'll want to fail on a system, and yet the list is recommending the cheapest junk on the market?

DISPENSER4HIRE 1 point 23 days ago

I am researching for my 1st build in 8 years. I enjoy, and appreciate looking at the different builds, but would make one small suggestion. How about putting the date of the build in the tittle? That would give us more information, and not cost anything, but a few keystrokes.

stuart83000 1 point 23 days ago

I think this build is very good, but I though for RAM, there could be Savage 16GB DDR4-2666 and the storage, I thought wd 1tb blue would and Samsung Evo 500gb SSD. it seems to make the build about $55 cheaper with a bit better ram and more storage. otherwise, I like everything else, and I am a huge fan of that RGB case because I don't like just one color in my PC build.

notfruity 1 point 22 days ago

What monitor would you recommend for this build?

KYOKUN240 2 Builds 1 point 20 days ago

2400 RAM with a Ryzen...? =X

LeMMingSlayeR 8 Builds 1 point 19 days ago

Love the build guide! I think it's great seeing more of the Ryzen 7 1700, IMO it's an amazing bang-for-buck processor.

I am a little surprised seeing DDR4 2400 here though, as Ryzen seems to favor faster RAM with legitimate performance gains.

Example: Mass effect: Andromeda the 0.1% framerates went up from 49 to 69 just by increasing the RAM speed from 2133 to 3600.

Pretty good video about Ryzen memory performance

pansonmata123 1 point 19 days ago

Hi first-time PC builder here,

Can you take a look at this build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWpj7h

I used this build guide as a base. Any help would be appreciated

Tigered332 1 point 18 days ago

The case is a great start if you want a custom water looping machine. Only thing I have wrong with this is the amount of space. I don't believe a 1tb will give much space, specially if you are a hardcore gamer which this build is for.

svernin81 1 point 14 days ago

I was actually working on a similar build to finally ascend soon. Would love to hear your feedback and suggestions!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y7dBd6

Onur7632 1 point 13 days ago

Looks good, but I'm not liking that memory. As we all know now, Ryzen Infinity Fabric Ticks at Memory Speed.

HeyJesseAe 1 point 13 days ago

What does "enthusiast build" mean? Would this PC be on par with other featured build guides? Thanks.

SamiPC 1 point 13 days ago

Like it!

andreidan25 1 point 12 days ago

Why not go with Intel and possibly a better cpu and mobo ??

crxsks 1 point 12 days ago

nothing says "amd enthusiast" like an nvidia gpu

Niobium62 1 Build 1 point 10 days ago

i like everything except the ram. i would change the ram to a higher freqeuncy

lmsrc06 1 point 9 days ago

badly choosen parts

Bigbradford 1 point 8 days ago

$2000 and you cheap out on slow ram?

Tigered332 1 point 8 days ago

I would actually recommend the 570x case instead of the 460x

Sonar610 1 point 6 days ago

There are several optimization issues with this build in regards to gaming. First, a Ryzen 5 1600X would offer better performance in most games because of the greater clock speed. Second, Ryzen CPUs see substantial performance gains when paired with DDR4-3000+, an upgrade that would cost roughly $20. Finally, an X370 chipset board is not required, a B350 board would save around $30, and still offer more than 4 power phases.

I won't comment on the video card, because the best video card really depends on which resolution you game on. Just be aware that if you game at 2k, this card may be overkill and a waste of money.

eric.frederich 1 point 5 days ago

Where is the video?

jaynj 3 Builds 1 point 5 days ago

I like the build, but not sure about the ram. I have only seen Corsair work so far. I wish these mobo manufacturers would stop with the accent colors already,

fearmadara 1 point 5 days ago

what cooler did you use for this awesome build?

fearmadara 1 point 5 days ago

can someone suggest me a non SLI board for this build?can i change the gpu to Evga FTW 1080?

Sphyloid 1 Build 1 point 5 days ago

Bad time to buy with Vega release this quarter, who would not wait a month to save $100?

duncanmcnair 1 point 5 days ago

Can someone recomend an affordable monitor that would do this build justice?

WhoIsWORM 1 point 4 days ago

picks an AMD processor and chooses to stick with stock cooler, presumably to save some cash okay I can respect that picks a GTX 1080 for the video card ?

Volkilide 1 point 3 days ago

this is awesome im also doing a build but i don't know if i should do ryzen or intels

jdwii 1 point 3 days ago

OMG slow memory and a 1080!

https://youtu.be/U4k_ErEg-FU?t=432

MV2 1 point 1 day ago

I am interested in water cooling but I currently don't have the money. Is that GPU compatible with any water blocks from reputable manufacturers?

ErtFlat 1 point 1 day ago

How is this an AMD enthusiast build if it has a 1080? Why not switch out for a 480 or better?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 1 day ago

The 1080 is significantly better than AMD's top tier GPUs.

ErtFlat 1 point 1 day ago

Very true, yet if this build is an AMD enthusiast build, at least put AMD and if it bottle necks, then replace the CPU with a lower end one.

Osenator 1 point 1 hour ago

Something cheaper please, I barely can afford a laptop

Unequal 1 point 1 hour ago

pgrade power supply and the RAM and also add a 2 tb dump drive

adventureguy 1 Build 0 points 1 month ago

Motherboard could've been better...

SLuGGLe 1 point 1 month ago

What's wrong with it?

adventureguy 1 Build 0 points 1 month ago

Oh it's just me being all picky about aesthetics again lol

Codcumm15 0 points 24 days ago

A real enthusiast build would have a 1800x and a 1080ti

Vahadriel 2 Builds -1 points 1 month ago

I like my rebuild better....its a bit more expensive, but I feel its much more cohesive

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Vahadriel/saved/csrXLk

WheresMyMailbox -1 points 1 month ago

Good built, HOWEVER, I think that the founder's edition is not the best one for the money, go for something else if you are going with a 1080. The only reason you would really get the founder's edition is for the easy 2 way SLI, which can be found in almost every other 1080, so it's not that worth it. It's just getting it for the name in front "founders edition." Next is your power supply. I would try to bump that up to an 800 W, just giving it more leg room for upgrades etc. Always a good idea. The case, you can probably get a nice one for about $70, like the NZXT S340. Also in this build, a good CPU cooler, maybe even a water-cooled system is always a good idea. Now the RAM. I feel that the RAM is being kind of thrown in there. By no means is this the best RAM, and spending a bit more money on a higher quality RAM would be better. Around $100 for 16 GB of RAM is a good price, and most RAM in that price point should be higher quality and be much faster. Overall a good idea and a good build, just some suggestions for changing stuff around. Of course, this is purely based on what I would change, so you can completely disregard this if you want. Have a good day and happy building. :D

vagabond139 5 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

Next is your power supply. I would try to bump that up to an 800 W, just giving it more leg room for upgrades etc

If buy upgrade you mean replace the entire build for insanely high end parts then sure but 550W is more than enough unless you want SLI AND overclocking.

Now the RAM. I feel that the RAM is being kind of thrown in there. By no means is this the best RAM, and spending a bit more money on a higher quality RAM would be better. Around $100 for 16 GB of RAM is a good price, and most RAM in that price point should be higher quality and be much faster

There is no such thing as higher quality RAM. RAM is RAM when it comes to quality.

I think that the founder's edition is not the best one for the money, go for something else if you are going with a 1080.

It is the cheapest one....

The only reason you would really get the founder's edition is for the easy 2 way SLI

Wat.

The case, you can probably get a nice one for about $70, like the NZXT S340.

Why would you downgrade the case.

iAwesome4 1 point 17 days ago

vagabond actually there is higher quality ram. You could get ecc ram (even though i doubt this cpu supports it), you can get lower response time ram, and you can get higher frequency ram.

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 17 days ago

No there isn't. ECC has nothing to do with quality and even performance as in speed. Performance is not quality, they are totally different.

iAwesome4 1 point 17 days ago

alright well ram built with better memory modules are most likely going to be better.

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 17 days ago

Performance does not equal quality. It might be faster but it has nothing to do with quality. There is a reason why literally all RAM has a life time warranty on it, quality is equal.

azile0 1 point 1 month ago

He doesn't need to upgrade his PSU. 550W is plenty for that system, you only need a 600W+ system if you want to start putting in multiple GPUs. Each generation of cards is using less power, not more. PSUs that are overkill will rack up your energy bill for no reason.

BROKE_AF_BOI 1 point 1 month ago

PSUs only use as much wattage as needed. This is a common misconception.

azile0 1 point 1 month ago

Higher wattage PSUs are less efficient when under low total power load. So if you use 350W/1200W, your PSU will cost you more money on your power bill. If you use 350W/550W, your unit will be more efficient.

You still don't need any more than 550W for 90% of modern rigs. Only if you're putting in more than just the 'base components', that is CPU/GPU/RAM/Mobo/Storage do you need more beefy units.

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Higher wattage PSUs are less efficient when under low total power load. So if you use 350W/1200W, your PSU will cost you more money on your power bill. If you use 350W/550W, your unit will be more efficient

You are looking at pennies or maybe even a dollar a month in terms of difference. Its much smaller than you think.

azile0 2 points 1 month ago

Even so, it's unnecessary to have more than you need and I am enough of a miser to consider a $10 savings a year to be reason to get a smaller, cheaper unit.

Wintermote 1 point 1 month ago

PSU's usually operate best at ~50% load. Higher or lower, they get less efficient. Buying an 800W PSU is overkill. Buying a 550W PSU is probably fine if you aren't overclocking anything and don't intend to run 2 GPU's.

I'd personally go with a 600-650W PSU if I were going with an overclocked gaymin system.

iAwesome4 1 point 17 days ago

Actually depending on the psu the most efficient wattage amount could be at 75% load or higher.

upsetkiller -4 points 1 month ago

what a waste on that cpu if its a higher than 60hz gaming machine

WirelessCables 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Proof?

[Spoiler] There isn't any.
upsetkiller -1 points 29 days ago

HAHAHA head over to big review sites like anadtech and check their new graphs like x amount of seconds spent under 60 , 120 and 144hz , frame variance between max and min and stuff, and then come to me.

Ryzen is fine for 60h Gaming and a beast for a workstation , it just cant do 120hz gaming or higher and thats a known fact

WirelessCables 1 Build 2 points 29 days ago

Ryzen is fine for 60h Gaming and a beast for a workstation , it just cant do 120hz gaming or higher and thats a known fact

Lol

upsetkiller 0 points 28 days ago

Lol all you want, anadtech lols right back at yoy

Sphyloid 1 Build 1 point 5 days ago

Look at ur rating... post proof or don't post.

Sphyloid 1 Build 1 point 3 days ago

Yea, you should actually look into things before you proclaim them as fact, and post the links so they can be reviewed if you have any interest of being taken seriously.

Jayz2cents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-mMBbWHrwM

Linus tech tips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJQEHNYE7M&t=698s

Tom's hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-vs-intel-kaby-lake-gaming,4977-3.html

P.S When looking at results, it helps to read the conclusion: My toms conclusion link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-vs-intel-kaby-lake-gaming,4977-7.html

Anandtech conclusion link: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700/23

Not interested enough to actually look into the topic, arstechnica has a great TL:DR style review, in comparison of reviewing all the above links, of Ryzen free of bias and unfounded predictions: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/intel-still-beats-ryzen-at-games-but-how-much-does-it-matter/

This is what actual sources look like. You likely did not want to post a link as you knew that is not the conclusion that ananddtech, or any reputable organization would draw.

upsetkiller 1 point 1 day ago

Hahahahha your sources too show it lagging below i5 in high hz gaming

PCPaulPicker -19 points 1 month ago

I can understand using ryzen for streaming and editing, but ryzen is horrible for gaming compared to the cheaper 6600k. And if you are going to go ryzen, the only good chip is the 1700x, which can be overclocked to match the 1800x. The 1700 vanilla is horribly underpowered.

Rofineli 9 points 1 month ago

The R7 1700 has a boost speed of 3.7 ghz while the R7 1800X has a boost speed of 4 ghz and doesn't over clock as well. The 1700 runs games well and can do things that the 6600k would struggle at.

PCPaulPicker -5 points 1 month ago

I didn't say the 6600k was good for everything, it just beats out the 1700 in most games. It's great for video processing from what I've heard.

vagabond139 5 Builds 7 points 1 month ago

Define how 60FPS or even more is awful for gaming. Please do.

RinHato 1 Build 4 points 1 month ago

Didn't you know, getting 20 less fps at 100+fps benchmarks is completely horrible. You should buy a quad core, it's a much better CPU!

PCPaulPicker -3 points 1 month ago

144 Feels a lot better to most.

vagabond139 5 Builds 4 points 1 month ago

Still doesn't make it awful CPU for gaming. Also most people are playing on 60Hz screens so they won't even notice the difference.

thebishopp 6 points 1 month ago

This genuinely makes me laugh - "horrible for gaming" - only if you run multi monitors and 4k. Otherwise, you will literally not have any problems gaming with a decent GPU, and the vast majority of people use a PC for many things other than gaming as well, so Ryzen is absolutely fine for almost everyone, barring a few stat junkies, for gaming.

PCPaulPicker -5 points 1 month ago

What I ment is that the 1700 is underpowered (in gaming). And if you want to talk about stat junkies, you can point at the AMD fans and their obsessions with threads=power.

JackOfSpades789 4 points 1 month ago
  • Blares trumpet - Intel Fanboy incoming! Brace yourselves! Seriously though, why did you not do your research? The Ryzen 1700 is the best value proosition out of the R7 line and offers close to 1800x levels of performance for $150 less. You can overclock the 1700 to the 1800x's clock speeds and have some spare change. All the people saying that the 1700 is "underpowered" or "sucks for gaming" are ignorant. For one, Ryzen is nothing like Bulldozer was in terms of performance, and secondly, why is it so hard to not see past the benchmarks? Ryzen delivers very respectable frame times (if you were paying attention you would know that Ryzen has already gotten optimizations). Trust me, you are saving yourself money and thinking about the future if you buy Ryzen. What makes you believe that the 1700x is better? Are you allergic to overclocking? Stow your anti-consumer talk until you can do research and make informative comments and buying decisions.
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manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

Keep it polite or don't comment on this site.

JackOfSpades789 2 points 1 month ago

I do have common logic, but to say that the R7 1700 is "underpowered" is an objectively false statement. Most people have been able to hit 3.7-3.8Ghz with the stock cooler, and with a cooler like the Noctua NH U12S (which is what the reviewer kits came with) most people!e can hit 4.0Ghz. And yes, once overclockeded all of the Ryzen 7 chips are effectively the same in performance. Also saying that Ryzen is lacking in performance is demonstrably false as well. Your recommendation that the 1700x is the only good Ryzen 7 chips is horribly wrong when again the 1700 can be overclocked. As long as you give a component adequate cooling (which the stock Ryzen coolers do really well) overclocking is not that bad at all.

bobBobberson 4 points 1 month ago

They've begun to optimize AMD's Ryzen, notice the Ashes of Singularity benchmarks after Ryzen has been optimized substantially out performs Intel's Kaby Lake line. As more games move towards Vulkan API we could potentially see Ryzen out perform even the i7-7700K in the near future.

PCPaulPicker -5 points 1 month ago

Thats just one game.

WirelessCables 1 Build 4 points 1 month ago

One is better than none.

And regardless...

They've begun to optimize

Games will be better optimized in the future. This happens with the launch of almost any new line of products

thebishopp 3 points 1 month ago

Yes, the first. There will be more. AMD signed a deal with Bethesda so all of their next crop of games will be optimised for AMD GPUs. Instead of being so completely shortsighted and hooked on a few FPS which are pointless and completely unnoticeable to almost everyone, why not read more about this stuff - the new architecture, the possibilities. Kaby Lake is a platform which is fully mature. Ryzen is completely new.

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manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

Stop spamming.

QuantumOW 0 points 1 month ago

ok also nice profile picture

ParadoXGodzillA 0 points 1 month ago

Is it possible for me to become a moderator???

vagabond139 5 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

No. I'm not staff or anything but I already know the answer to it since it has been asked a ton of times before. If you have to ask on any site to be a mod you probably won't be one, if staff on a site needs more mods will either ask you to be one or take mod applications. They won't just let john doe randomly become a mod becasue he asked. Its like a job, you need qualifications, meet their requirements, and they need to be hiring.

They have already stated they have no plans for volunteer mods which makes sense since imo things could go wrong, the site isn't big enough to need more staff since they seem to be able to handle it fine as is, and all staff work in the same office together.

Plus there is familiarity with the site, the rules, and the community. Not trying to be rude or anything but you are not known on here with only 18 posts, why would they make you a mod when there are ton more experienced users here?

ParadoXGodzillA 1 point 25 days ago

I was just asking, but I understand now. I haven't been online as I have been busy, but I will look around the rules and all that so that I could get familiar with this site.

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Reason:
Note: Wattages are estimates only. Actual power draw may differ from listed values.
Component Estimated Wattage
AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor 8W - 65W
ASRock - Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard 17W - 70W
GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory 11W - 11W
Sandisk - Ultra II 960GB 2.5" Solid State Drive 2W - 10W
EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card 45W - 180W
Total: 83W - 336W