glad you found my build useful :)
and if you read the text you will see why ;)
No, the setup is best shared :D
Instead of going to a special room dedicated to being just a theater, I can sit in my living room which is the natural meeting point for dining, talking, visits, watching TV, watch movies, play music, play games, have a party etc. etc. - the idea of a separate media room is good enough, and was my initial thought, but I really enjoy how it's now an integrated part of the living room rather than separate :) And rows of seats.. why would I need that? this is my home, not some venue I rent out :)
For 4K Gaming I'd say it's quite right on mark :) It can do 60fps on max settings mostly, but will stay between 60-70 which is fine on 60hz - As soon as we get 4k 120hz you'd want more juice, though it's hard to get at the moment. 2018 will be very good for HC-gaming I think :)
Show's you don't need a huge budget and the beefiest components to make an awesome build :) Love the color theme and the story of the build - Thanks for sharing this build :)
Dali Rubicon 8 is the largest member of the Rubicon family, one of the higher end speakers from Dali. I use those as the Gaming Home Cinema's front speakers, paired up with Rubicon 5 in the back and Rubicon Vokal in the center.
I chose these speakers after having many trips to various hi-fi stores and listening to speakers from a lot of different companies. In the end there where two set of speakers I liked specially, and those where the Bowers & Wilkins CM10, and the Dali Rubicon 8. I got an arrangement and got to borrow a set both the series to listen for a weekend in my own livingroom, and set them up for a good long music listen - I connected thm to A and B output on the amp so I could swap back and forth and compare those speakers. I didn't actually pick a clear winner by any means, but found Rubicon 8 to be very the "winner" in mids and lows, where B&W had an edge on the highs - but ultimately went with Rubicon 8.
Sorry for the wall of text :)
They are priced relatively similar to other speakers that perform about the same, and where you can go down to a cheaper serie and save a good amount of money, you also hear the difference right away when you compare them. I'd say the Rubicon 8 is certainly good for music lovers, but they are not up there with the "crazy enthusiast only" segment :) - As I live in Norway, and Dali originates in Denmark, it's also a fairly known brand here, while in the US maybe not so much - though the subwoofers I got should be fairly well known over there, and was not as easy to get a hold on up in Norway.
Faulty build list.. parts are not compatible, prices are wrong, and most of it wont even fit on the motherboard.. why even post such a list..?
Then who will you enjoy movie nights with? :o
I installed the RAM before the CPU-cooler, which is always a good thing, and I also made sure to have low profile memory. I also only went with 2 sticks of ram since it's only dual channel on this socket anyway - and thus I should be able to swap out memory if needed without having to remove the CPU-Cooler. (I'd only have to temporarily remove the plastic fan hovering over the two RAM-sticks) This is also since I installed the RAM into the two slots I did (2 and 4) rather than 1 and 3. About Case you should check bequiet's website and just check the measures towards the max clearance for fan coolers on the case-website. And also google (or look here at pcpp) to find people who already built with the combo you look for to ensure you won't have issues. As my picttures show my closest calls were the GPU1 backplate, and SLI Bridge corner - both of which almost touch the CPU heatsink (cpu-fan pins actually touch backplate, so I placed tape on them to ensure to shortout, but should not be needed) - But this is all a result of me picking a motherboard with the rare setup of placing GPU1 in Pci-slot 1, this is almost always placed in Pci-slot 2 which will then give plenty of space for the GPU :)
It's built and gotten a few minor upgrades. It works very well :)
These are just the first that pops up if I search for 7700k vs ryzen in gaming.. - so aparently you can no longer say that in every video you seen the ryzen were better for gaming..
Benchmarks can actually favour the multi-cores as they tens to be based around testing gpu and cpu power combined, though in actual gaming performance few fast cores is simply better, and the reason is simple, game engines are rarely utilizing loads of cores.. it's been like this always, and while we have expected it to change for a few years, it hasn't. It is getting close, and with the new multi-core cpu's being able to run fewer cores at a higher speed when needed they are closing in.. The important thing to remember is that for things like rendering or compiling media, a threadripper is likely to be up to 10 times faster than a 7700K, so in no way is the new ryzens bad by any means, but saying they beat 7700K in gaming is just wrong :)
I hope that explains the picks for the build, in addition to those parts not even being there when the build was done (the 7700K also beat all the more expensive multi-core intel parts, as they just like the new ryzen, has core-count but not the core-speed to show for)
Nope, I think of how games dont care much about throwing more cores at them, but high single core clock speeds they love. Fact is that games don't spread the workload over lots of cores, and thus the few cores it is able to use pays of running faster. Check some youtube videos on 7700k vs 1800x or even threadripper 1950x and you'll see both get's smoked in game-tests simply because they are too slow on clockspeeds . the same goes with intels cpu's with high core-count but lower hz, they simply underperform in games.
On top of that high core-count means more power drawn, meaning more heat produced, resulting in a louder and hotter computer, which does not count well towards a silent build. So even if I see why you think loads of cores could be better, it simply isnt for this build. Going with many cores would be the right way to go for any non-gaming oriented builds, but this isnt one of them :)
Both which has slower clocks and makes more heat, making them worse for silent gaming :)
Not to mention none of those existed in april :)
Ah, The core computer should be no more than 4-5000$ with hifi and tv adding the big chunk, and it wasn't really intended to get all the attention for it's price, but more for the high performance combined with silent operation which I'm really pleased with. :)
Not sure why non-game related builds are posted onto the wall of my build - how does it relate to my build?
I didn't want it flashy, I wanted it to match the speakers, and with the led's turned down or off it does so very well :) It also provides a good airflow :)
All that load of bull**** is the heart of the Home Theater Gaming Setup, the case with content is indeed just a fraction of the price, and also the part that is likely to need an upgrade first - Tv, speakers etc. is likely to last for a long time.
I prefer Roccat over Razer :) Awesome gear
That build would be inferior for gaming though, which is what this build is centered around :) And quite likely far from silent
I should also mention that I got a Logitech M235 mouse and a K830 Illuminated Living-Room keyboard which both run on Bluetooth, though not listed here as they are secondary, used for when listening to music etc, and not used for any gaming - well except games like Heartstone etc.
I could have gone wireless on the mouse, as good gaming mice start coming up without cable, however none proper gaming keyboard with mechanical switches and custom profiles seem to exist as of yet, so that's the reason it's still wired. And since the cable to the keyboard then already goes to the couch master, there is no point to use a cabled mouse as both keyboard and mouse use the usb hub inside the couch master :) That also does not restrict my choice of mice, as the one I preferred and wanted does not come in wireless version :D Also, I'm not sure I'd go with bluetooth if I were to go wireless, there are better tech's that are not as easily interfered (signal). :)
One card is able to do 4K with a few compromises on settings, two does 4K 60fps ultra, I got one rig running a single card and one running two. In order to play with res-scale on for 8k I need to turn down some settings in heavy games, but 4K monitor 2,5 meter away (75") looks very sharp in 4K :)
Do you have a car? then you likely already spent more than I did on this ;) And if you also got kids, then you likely spent way more..
It's about priority really :) I love computers, music and movies, so that's what I invest in :)
ooh, this in nice and custom :D
The second best of the ones I tried was pretty much the same price - as with most things you get what you pay for (certainly when you get to a point you pay insane premium for very little gain - but this is far from enthusiast class speakers, it's not even the highest in the Dali series, which cost quite a bit more). I've done several months of speaker-listening before deciding for those, and I brought multiple speaker-sets of the ones I liked the sound of back to my own living room for live testing. So I certainly know that for 10% of the price I would not get the sound I have today. A car costing 10% will also get you from A to B, but spending more to get one that actually performs alright is not a waste.. :) A waste would be spending on something you don't need, or wont use - I enjoy the sound of this setup every single day - so it's hardly a waste ;)
For gaming... yes.. 2.3 GHz isn't really great for much gaming. - but it has tons of monitors and harddrives _^
has some compability issues it seem though, with graphics cards requiring drive bays to go out, which will then be a problem since it seem to use all the drive bays for storage
I'm not a master race, I just love gaming, regardless of platform :D
I currently got a Wii U, but look to possibly grab the Switch.
Also I was looking at the PS4 Pro, but finding out it can't play UHD Blu-ray (which even the current Xbox can) I skipped it. I may go for the new Xbox upgrade when it launches, as I want to go for a console rather than buying a uhd blu-ray player.
For PS we will have to see.. I MUST have Final Fantasy VII remake when it comes, while Red Dead Redemption I hope will release on PC as I don't really enjoy FPS on a gamepad, but still the previous RD was awesome. The Wii U is btw amazing on the large TV, splitscreen is mint as both can see everything clearly - same goes with Dirt3 on PC there. - for driving I use the gamepad, even on the PC :)
I like it very much for casual gaming, single player and split screen (racing for instance). However for competitive FPS games like Battlefield 1, PUBG etc. I find the input lag, even though the Samsung does in the low 20's is more than I'd like. My gaming monitor's are doing 2-4ms and I notice the difference in fast pased twich aim games. In games that are played vs AI, and games with more strategy than reflexes the 4K monitor with the large picture is on another level.. Everything is more clear, hearing where the enemies are in surround is a huge advantage. does games take advantage of the height sound yet? or only uhd blu-ray movies?
yeah I read so in your description. You have speakers and sub which I also looked at while picking the parts for my own home theater setup :)
Are you doing much gaming on the home theater? And if so, what do you find to be the pros and cons?
Awesome build :D good job indeed :)
noise is the reason. every aio will make some amount of noise, as all water cooled systems will with pumps running and water flowing. (they can get very quiet, but not dead silent). air cooling with passive (ribs) as well as very low speed fans will always beat aio in noise during idle.
You can't really go wrong with either of the brands you mentioned either, top quality. I remember in the early days there were lots of hit and miss with keyboard and mouse - but now there is just so much good stuff to pick from :) you are welcome.
About the Roccat stuff, I first started using Roccat for my previous gaming build now sitting in my office, and I like it very much. The bonus that made me start with them is the easy shift, which lets you bind a secondary function to every single button on both mouse and keyboard, toggled by pressing the easy shift (defaults to caps-lock on the keyboard). It can also be a mouse-button but I use the caps as I never need capslock functionality ingame (or elsewhere). That way playing a game like wow, or path of exile I can bind spells and potions with two variations on each mouse button, opening for some awesome possebileties..
In addition they have the ability to pick your favourite mechanical switch, and a good software package that makes it a breeze to set up mouse/keyboard binds, light combos, macro's and more. - I'm not sure if they are a big brand in the US (they are located in Germany) but they are going strong here :)
Thanks for the pictures and feedback. It's some time since I bought my monitors and read about the sometimes troublesome support for ultra wide - and most games I've played in super-ultra wide spanning all my 3 16:9 monitors has been extremely stretched towards the edges, ui elements not placed well etc. - but I guess with 21:9 (which is a lot closer to 16:9 than 54:9 should be easier to make right and is likely already supported in most titles. Letterboxing is not at all an issue, as basicly it just lowers the picture back to a 16:9 which with a standard monitor is what you'd have anyway.. :) Problem for me will likely be that I'd want three of these spanning my desk.. as once I went tripple monitor I dont see myself going back from that either, same with high hz.. 120 is likely the least I'd want.. not sure if one can do 120/144hz over three monitors of 1440 res with a single card as of yet.. :)
Wonderful build :) Could I see some photos of ingame with the ultrawide?
I'm still steps away from going ultrawide myself as my desk can't fit more than the three monitors I already use, but I'm curious as to how it plays - I read earlier that not all games support ultrawide and mess up the ui or stretch out the picture - how does this play out for you? :)
that build does not work, there is a shortage of 3x2,5 drive bays and you are 5 sata ports short to plug all these drives :)
Good comment - though I'd also have to wait for and pay for shipping to Norway, I don't know anyone doing them over here. Cablemanagement-wise I'm pretty happy with it, considering it's using all standard cables - they simply don't bend and move slick like real custom ones does.
So I agree it would be nice with customs, though the wait and extras for something you pretty much never will see made me not even consider it this time around, if the pc had been placed on a desk next to me and not between the wall and the speaker, I'd might want to go for it still. :)
And as this is gaming hardware I doubt anything built today will last 10+ years, two 1080Ti's will simply be too measly by that time - and it better be, I crave for new and better tech :D
As I prefer Roccat mouse and keyboards that would not make much sense for me, and the Couchmaster does the very same job with whatever keyboard/mouse combo I'd ever would want to throw at it :)
No thanks, MSI says you should with these cards, but it just looks too bad.. The sag looks better and also keeps top card backplate off the CPU Fan-bracket :)
The armored PCI-slots can take the weight even if it sags a bit :)
I'd pick the PC every time :D
Speakers comes in pairs :) or else I'd be silly to not buy two of those :D
My build was prior to the TR-4 Socket-release :D
And I went with fast cores over many - so quite the opposite actually :)
It seems you didn't read neither the description nor the comments before posting :)
It seem to have up to 120hz - not sure if it does so in HD, but it can do 120Hz. It also has an imput lag of avg 20 - which is acceptable for livingroom gaming (on par with Samsung TV's which are known for low input lag) yet it still is a bit behind gaming monitors which is preferred 2-4ms - but this is common, and for singleplayer, coop, casual multiplayer etc. it's perfectly fine :) My gaming monitors are also BenQ :)
Thanks for sharing this gem :D
This is what Love is right there, love for custom PC :)
I love the Bumblebee, and also the full setup with the tripple monitor for work, and larger TV for entertainment :)
what TV is it? what's the input lag? - I have a somewhat similar setup, so I'm curious :) I love playing on the TV, but for competitive FPS gameplay I still prefer my 144hz 4ms gaming monitors.
:D Even the Wii U benefits from the rest of the setup indeed, split screen Mario Kart is very nice :) do you have any experience with the Switch? Is it worth... Switching? ;)
Beauty and the Beast :)
For a comparison of the water-build you have I've done a build in the same case, but on air.
My build runs around 50 degrees Cpu and Gpu when not gaming hard on it, and 70 on both when gaming hard.
When not gmaing hard the computer is completely silent even when you put your ear all up to the case, while at hard gaming you certainly hear the build, yet a lot more quiet than any previous pc I've built.
I'm not well schooled in water cooling, but air is still used to cool the rads, and wont the reservoir block much of any potentional airflow-path? At least for my air-cooled build the main objective was to keep a good airflow between intake/outtake that would pass the heating components. Was just thinking maybe the airflow is the hinderance since you said removing top and front cover made a big impact, sounds like it's the air that is the bottleneck, and not the waterloop part?
Very good job on the build. Oh and mind that my build is a 7700K non-overclocked running two 1080Ti's - so my total heat production will be smaller than yours..
Here I could not :) I did spreadsheets of the cheapest available RAM for each speed from the Norwegian stores on the day I bought them, and got the ones that was the cheapest :) 'More powerful' means? Combined CAS and Speed could not have been better without upping voltages on the RAM. As mentioned many times earlier - remember Norway and the US does not have the same prices for computer parts.
Living and Dining area combined makes for a quite large Living-room for two people :) and I like the shape as it gets you close to the screen. For audio purposes the size of the room is also right (though he shape and placement isn't). Usually one would have a media room dedicated to the home cinema, and maybe later I will - however it's very nice to have it in the living room itself - as it makes us use it for everyday everything :)