I might just go ahead and spend more on a 5 or K7 or the Taichi then because I know people who've had voltage issues related to Ryzen Master and would rather do bios overclocking to avoid that issue. Not to mention I predict future Ryzen CPU's will overclock better.
How's the board? Been seeing weird reviews about its overclocking, with offsets instead of normal vcore and clocks and VRMs closer to that of a B350, but are those things true and would they affect my experience significantly when overclocking if I picked it over say, the X370 Taichi?
Wish you would have tested more games personally (Wildlands is really not the best benchmark, considering its iffy optimization, even The Division is a better benchmark choice imho), but this is a pretty solid build.
"Any modern i5 will perform admirably for nearly all gaming needs"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urf_vwc3hmE 100% usage at high settings should tell you something. and before you cry "AWPTIMAZASHUN" or whatever solely based on what company released this, it's actually GOOD that games are coming out using more than 4 cores. an older example of a multithreaded game is Crysis 3.
Watch Dogs 2 also begs to differ, but it's also better on the optimization front than Wildlands so there's that^
Keep advanced graphics off and it'll stay above 100fps
Yeah, definitely a good build regardless.
It should be fine for now. There will be the odd game out like Watch Dogs 2 that's thread bound no matter how fast an i5 can be clocked, but most games will do fine.
IMO you could've gotten a better deal with Ryzen - that i5 unless it's heavily overclocked WILL bottleneck the 1060 in some games (i.e: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided) while ANY i7 from 2nd gen up will be fine at stock. Otherwise, good build.
Meh I'll start with 16 and go to 32 actually.
Exactly hence why I'm going for the 6-core 12-thread Ryzen
There's a significant difference even at 2K with a game like Watch Dogs 2 tbh. 20+
I've seen as much as a 20fps boost moving to an i7, with a 1080 @ 1440p and ultra, and many of the older i5's will stutter trying to get to 60. Now that I think is just a matter of optimization issues, but it's definitely a CPU hog.
Ah, nice. Deus Ex is much more of a high-end game.
a 760 can run higher-end games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided too, although to get 60 you will have to drop settings quite a bit down, at 1080p high it's in the mid-30s.
Also definitely wait for Vega especially if you want to move to 4K. Deus Ex is ridiculously brutal on ultra and 4K.
To be fair, you're gonna need a heavy core clock OC in some cases i.e: Deus Ex.
I agree, but people expect ultra every single time and blame devs when they cant get 60 on ultra
No problem man.
If you run a lot of stealth games that actually can go up to 20-30+ FPS. Watch Dogs 2 is a prime example.
1070 peasants lol. Not even your 1080 can max every game and get 60 at 1440p, special snowflake.
I would get a 1070 for 1080p personally ;P
My i5 (3rd gen, equivalent to a 6400) bottlenecks my 1050 Ti at 900p in some titles, so I'd be surprised to see less of a bottleneck on this pentium with a 1060 at 1080p.
In your case if you were to upgrade the CPU, I would go with a Ryzen 5 for budget, especially if you're a stealth player like me who plays a lot of Deus Ex and some Hitman. 4 threads won't really cut it in those titles, I own a quad-core i5 (not the fastest but it's one of the higher-end Ivy Bridge parts) and I find myself struggling to get full GPU utilization even on a GTX 1050 Ti...although this is at 900p so at 1080p a 970/1060 would be doing the same thing.
Usually I get 60 to 80 in Deus Ex, but due to my CPU's limitations there are areas that drop me to about 45.
idk man I've tried locked Deus Ex to 30 and it didn't feel very good, also MSAA is insanely demanding.
Medium and 900p is where I'd probably go for Mankind Divided if I were you. I can run it at high and 900p at 60 to 80 fps, with a few drops into the 40s due to high CPU usage on a 1050 Ti.
As for the RX 470, I'm not sure how much it is in CAD, but I've seen it go as low as $120 USD after a mail-in rebate with a free copy of Doom.
At high 1080p Mankind Divided runs at around 35 fps, which is quite a bit below what I'd consider enjoyable. A 470 at those same settings which you can get for a similar price these days if you know where to look, runs it in the mid 50s. Wildlands, I don't even know but on my 1050 Ti I got about 40 at very high, 900p in the bta.
Yeah, and with that 460 I don't expect him to play the highest-end games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and Ghost Recon Wildlands :P
You could have went for 16GB but considering you went for an RX 460, it's unlikely you'd be playing high-end games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided anyway.
Remember that's in CAD.
^ you clearly have never played most modern stealth games, i7s do help. Just look at Watch Dogs 2.
Add another 8GB and test out Deus Ex: Mankind Divided :)
BF1 can use up to 12 depending on the map, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided definitely can use more than 8 especially if it's combined with Chrome, and GTA 5 has a severe memory leak issue which makes it run pretty poorly past low settings on 8GB in my experience (heists and contact missions stutter like hell unless most settings are at normal, and my card is usually able to get 50-60 on ultra). I'm going to go straight to 32 when I do my next build because I also plan on rendering, streaming, 20+ Chrome tabs during a high end game, etc.
yeah, I'm recommending 16 in case people want to play the most intensive games out there while having a few tabs open in the background. Not everyone is just a simple COD guy.
10+ FPS gain in Witcher 3, for example.
"RAM speed doesn't even matter, it only provides negligible performance benefits."
LOL... like 10+ fps in the Witcher 3 isn't significant.
It's for the best price to performance build out of those parts lol
WHILE playing a game that recommends 16GB of RAM, even having one tab open will cause some issues with 8GB of RAM. Not Chrome itself taking 8. Game itself takes like 6.5 on my system without any tabs open and no problems. But add in a couple tabs = stutter. But during basic tasks Chrome puts me at about 5GB
I'm saying a 750 Ti has to make way too many compromises to get playable performance these days.
This game for example: https://youtu.be/K-p2S0Uzdl4 barely getting 30fps with decent settings until you turn resolution down.
At 720p, low settings?
LOL not even the 1080 Ti or Titan XP can do that in every title. Problem is, a 750 Ti is barely able to hit 1080p30 in the most demanding games even at the lowest settings these days. Maybe if he has a 720p display it won't be as bad, but the 1050 Ti is far more capable of modern AAA titles at around 1080p 60 depending on the settings. I'm running it at 900p right now but 1080p shouldn't be a problem.
"or and r 7 or an 750ti"
Please tell me how that isn't recommending that graphics card.
When I just have Chrome and basic tasks open I get very close to that 8GB limit so I wouldn't be so sure to be 100% honest
You recommended a 750 Ti which in many 2016 titles is barely able to play in 1080p.
This is it
Nooo, stay the hell away from the 750 Ti these days unless you're going used.
A laptop 5400 that I used to use felt much snappier than the 7200 I'm using right now. Although, it is a ridiculously loud (no other drive I've ever owned has been this bad with noise, it's like a coffee grinder) SATA I drive that I have.
Happens on bot games too.