SLI 980's wont be bottlenecked by a 2500k.
The reason why everyone gets the 1231 v3 is because its the cheapest Xeon that has hyper threading. So really no reason to spend more for a slightly higher clock speed, because you wont notice much or anything at all. The E3-1231 v3 is just a better 4790 (non k cpu) . Its built to run 24/7 and run pretty much 100% all the time, this is a reason why they are considered server processors. So this CPU is built really well and really stable!
Id get the Xeon over a 4790k if you arent planning to get a 4.5 ghz overclock. If you plan to overclock that i7 then save up. But if you dont want a 4.5 + overclock just get the xeon, you will be good for years!
yeah they will update geforce experience just about as much as they update drivers. So around once a month.
yeah AMD's corssfire is a pain in the ***. Half the time i was getting better frames with one card vs 2 so i was constantly disabling them.
honestly i have no idea right now. I just decided to try it out and it was running really smooth on a 60inch 60hz led tv. Id assume somewhere around 60fps when i had the game settings at 720p. Once i changed it to 1080p it lagged a lot but for a old computer and drivers on a GPU that they havent released since october of 2013, I thought was pretty good!!! Would i recommend this PC to run gta v?? no but it ran haha.
Honestly I can run GTA V on my media PC which has a Core 2 Duo E7400 non OC with 4 gigs of ram and an HD 4850 1 gb card. So i see no reason why an i3 couldnt run this game if you really wanted an Intel cpu. Though if you went for a FX-6300 that might be the best bet????
then download Microsoft Security Essentials which is the same thing as windows defender. Microsoft just decided to change names with different OS but its the same thing.
New game problems. Have you tried to run the game with sli disabled yet?
Looking at the newest GPU's from NVIDIA, the 680/770 perform slightly better then the GTX 960. So both those card are good but who knows about future games. I do know that they will both support direct x 12 and this gives some added future prof.
Both are the same cards except the 770 is slightly faster. So if i was you and you can get a GTX 680 for 80 (euros?) id jump on that. You wont find that performance for that cheap IMO. Also those games you mention dont really demand much so getting the 770 would be pointless.
depends on the games you want to play. If its csgo and lol then the APU is more then enough. If you are going to play more modern games like GTA V and such then youd need something better.
Yeah forgot about the turbo.
like jacobs said but you can overclock the xeon just not very much as they reach a max pretty easily. You can maybe get those chips to around 4 ghz if you're lucky.
Yeah and i remember AMD saying the 8150 was going to be the i7 killer back when the i7-2600k was the top dog. Well it never did and still the 8350 hasn't beat it. Its 2015 and those cpus came out in 2011. Though we can holy hope that AMD puts some pressure on Intel as its good to have competition.
Exactly since the 900 series has almost been out for a year coming this September. If this new 300 card comes out at the end of June why would anyone want to upgrade to a 300 series card unless it just destroys the 980 for like $450-550???
I dont know I feel like they missed the ball and should have released this in December/January like it was rumored to be.
Yeah you can overclock a xeon processor but not by much. Like others have said you can only overclock the BCLK which also overclocks the ram and other components of the system. So its not totally recommended but you can. Also dont expect a high overclock when overclocking the BCLK (example 3.4 ghz xeon will probably max out at 3.5-3.6 ghz oc with a 103-105 BCLK and then turbo). So really its probably not worth even trying and just accept what you got unless you are really itching to get the most performance.
For the quadro im pretty sure you cant. I currently dont have a guadro in my workstation anymore because they are mad expensive and we transferred to a citix base station. So if i still had it in my pc id try and see but im pretty sure you can.
yeah i agree that gta v uses a ton of vram but man my gtx 770 runs that game like butter with only 2gb vram. I even go way above the 2gb vram limit so im not really sure if thats really accurate.
yeah i haven't cleaned out my pc in like years hahah....i should probably get on that.
Have you tried cleaning the fans/cooler out?
Well obviously the 290x will run better then the 290, so lets just compare the 970 vs 290x. Both will run great at 1080p/ 1440p, but once you get closer to 4k, the 290x has a slight edge over the 970. This wont be the case for ever game as some run better for NVIDIA or AMD. So really it wont really matter what card you get cause the differences are going to be very minimal just that the 970 is a lot newer and NVIDIA releases drivers faster then AMD.
So if i was you'd wait a little longer and see what the 390x/390 have in store before you make the purchase. They are "rumored to be released sometime in June i hear. Though if you want to make a purcahse now you will be fine for a long time with either card. Im still rocking my GTX 770 running a 144 hz monitor and see no reason to upgrade unless i go 4k, which i dont plan too.
No one knows the price of the new 300 series gpus or how good they will be. So as of right now the 295x2 is a pretty good buy if you have a 4k monitor and wont mind a dual gpu card.
then why bother with a 4k video? Youre not actually watching a 4k video on a lesser resolution.
Anyways your CPU is fine to run 4k video but the geforce 9800 gt and AMD Radeon HD 7540D doesnt support 4k resolution only 2560x1600.
a gtx 750TI will support 4k resolution as the cheapest option for nvida and a r7-250x from AMD.
The question should be what GPU do you have? Second do you have a laptop with a 4k monitor on it? Also with your desktop do you have a 4k monitor?
oh yeah for sure the FX-6300 will do just fine with those game. :)
wouldn't hurt to try.
first off you are showing me a overclock of a chip at 5.4 ghz and at like 1.6 volts. This isnt safe for 24/7 clocks and a very rare overclock. Something safe with that chip is like 4.2-4.5 ghz where like 95% of people are able to get.
Secondly AC games are poorly optimized and run like junk on any CPU/GPU.
nope streaming uses cores and hyperthreading as to why the pentium is struggling because its running out of resources. Most games still only use 2 cores to play (yes some can use 4-6 cores but its still pretty rare). Lets just say the game is only using 2 cores to play then OBS will utilize core 3/4 more to compress the file instead of core 1/2. With the FX-8350 and i7 you have 8 threads so it will pretty much use the cores need to run the game and obs will use whatever isnt utilized. AKA why the i7 is the best streaming CPU. Even though the i7 is the best CPU for streaming that doesnt mean a quad core cant stream, because most games still wont utilize all 4 cores at 100%. OBS will use like 10-15% of your cpu to stream at 720p 60fps as an estimate for a i5 (thats what im getting with a 3570k with most games). From my experience the hardest game to stream is BF4 (i dont know about hardline because i dont own it) but i didnt have a problem with my i5.
So yes the FX-6300 and i5 (within sandy and up) are great budget minded CPUS for streaming.
well i have no idea what motherboard he has. To overclock a FX chip as high as you are kind of saying to compete with an i5 then he'll have to get a 990FX board or something pretty good which isnt very cheap. You are already over like $250 dollars, this is including cooler board and cpu. No matter what its not within a $100 budget.
Honestly the best option to never have a CPU bottleneck with any gpu and run any game perfectly fine while streaming is a Xeon E3-1230 V2. Its a i7 at a i5 price and they will run on like 90% of all intel boards.
true but he could still get a ivy bridge CPU which will be 10-15% slower clock for clock then haswell. The price of a 3570k on ebay go for like $180 if he has a z motherboard or go for a E3-1230 V2 for around $220. Im just thinking thats the cheapest option instead of going new board/cpu combo. Any i5 within sandy and ivy will be better then a FN2 chip or a fx-6300 since the FX-6300 is also a old.
well since you already have an Intel chip why not just save up for an i5? That will be head and heals better then the Pentium at streaming.
FYI - ive seen very few streamers using the FX-6300 unless they are just streaming a console and not gaming/streaming on the same machine. But if you are very interested in streaming and gaming using just those CPU's then the FX-6300 wins IMO.
Oh no problem I just have like 15 years of experience on cad and civil 3d. I've used it on a old pentium 4 and a 6 core xenon with ht and had like minimal improvement. Biggest thing for cad is ram and ssd. I just wish they would implicate the use of more cores because the damn program still is kind of broken when implicating a lot of 3d aspects. You get a ton of crashes lol. Anyways great build!!!
Love the build looks really nice!!!
FYI.....CAD is still a single threaded application and doesn't use hyper threading.
lol my friend youre missing the whole idea that i have a i5-3570k not an i7. Im stating that you dont need a beast of a machine to stream games aka i7. Secondly you dont want to stream at 1080p 60fps because that uses a lot of bandwidth up and most viewers wont have the resources to watch it. So usually the maximum is 720p or 900p. Yeah you can watch at 1080p 60fps but you wont get all the viewers unless you are partnered with twitch where viewers can change the quality.
So again you can play games and stream with a good i5 processor no problem. I was trying to say that my older i5 which is a ivy bridge 3570k streams current games very easily and you dont need to waste money on a 4790k if you dont want too. Sorry that brought such confusion and ill make sure ill enhance my answer further in future scenarios. :)
Back in 2012 I was in the market to buy a new rig. I was contemplating on either getting a i7-3770k or the i5-3570k. I was hoping that this CPU would last me a long time (AKA future proof as much as possible). I ended up getting the i5 because it was $100 less then the i7 and had zero improvements in games at the time and I knew I wouldn't be doing much more with the PC then gaming and web surfing.
Well now its 2015 and i have zero reason for upgrading the CPU as it runs all the games on max unless my gpu holds me back (GTX 770) and i can stream a lot of my games at 720p 60fps without a problem (yes a i7 would be better but still i see no reason to go for an i7 unless you are really really into streaming as your full-time job). So now that we know broadwell and skylake are coming out in 2015 with very slight improvements over haswell in performance. I’m still safe to say my i5-3570k is still a topnotch cpu up till 2016 of not more.
So really I guess what im saying is that it really depends on what you plan to do with your CPU, because as of right now any i5 from sandybridge will not bottleneck a GTX TITAN X in games, but if you are planning to compress a lot of files and stream maybe you should get the i7. But for gaming they both will last equally as long as each other as long as games just dont come out tomorrow saying they will only use hyperthreading CPUS from now on. I highly doubt that since AMD doesn’t have hyperthreading.
Remember the 4690k and the 4790k are both quad cores with the same architecture except one has hyperthreading. So if you have the money get the i7 but if you want to throw it to a better gpu/ssd then get the i5. They both should last equally as long as each other since Intel has been on a 10% gain of performance on every generation the past 4 years.
how is the comment ignorant just stating that it works. Ive streamed BF4, CSGO, Titanfall, AW, Blops2, GTA V and Assassins Creed Unity. Ive streamed at 720p 60 Fps priority at normal and have great performance with stream quality and game play. Obviously the i7 would do better as OBS can use hypertreading, i just don't understand why ppl say you need an i7 to stream bf4 at 720p 60fps when it works? Most games still only use 2 cores and the ones that use more then 2 cores don't use all of the 4 cores. OBS will use like 10% of your cpu usage so you still have plenty of cpu to run a game and stream.
Last thing.....i dont stream minecraft or ever played it so i have no idea. Though looking at cpu usage it mostly only uses 1 core unless you mod it of some sort. So you can tell obs to only use core 2 and 3 if you want. OBS really only needs 2 cores to stream smooth and ive tested that out in plenty of games. It will lag once you go down to 1 core.
System has a 3570k @ 4.2 ghz 1866 8 gigs of ram and a gtx 770.
No you cant crossfire a 280x with a 290/290x.
Not to sound rude or anything but have you tried searching "How to overclock a 4790k" on google or youtube? I'm sure you will find plenty of great tutorials. Good luck!!!!
Gaming + streaming the I7 + 970 wins
Gaming only the i5 + 980 wins
No not at all.
Yeah, most people forget about that CPU as its the exact same thing as 4790 (non k ) cpu but without a iGPU.
I hope its not a rebrand as most of those cards are like 3 years old now and the GTX 900 series have been out for like 7 months. I hope AMD steps up as NVIDA and INTEL are running away with it.
I love how this question has been out since the release of the 8350. Is it better then the 2500k, 3570k 4670k and now 4790k?
Simple answer is the FX is good at Multitasking but thats not to say the i5 cant. For gaming the i5 wins and its a lot newer. So do you want something old or do you want something new? Also im not even sure if FX supports PCI 3.0, as i know it didnt when it was released, not sure about now? Not that it really matters but still its old.
If it was me I'd save the money on the cooler/8350 and get a nice cool comfortable E3-1230v3 CPU. My only reason for this is that the 8350 is getting pretty old in age and even at 5.0ghz it wont beat a non overclocked E3-1231v3 cpu. If you are really interested in overclocking then yeah go ahead with the 8350 but that xeon is going to run very stable and very cool. Lets not forget that the Xeon will beat the 8350 in games, multitasking and streaming for the same price as a cooler/8350.
Well since you have gta v and some other demands games then get either the fx-6300 or a cheap i5. I was thinking you were more into like old games like super meatball and stuff. The bare minimum would be a core 2 quad and overclock it to like 3.5 ghz.
well really the cheapest cpu on the market will run 1080p video just fine. As for the gaming part what games are you trying to buy/run? I own a E7400 HTPC media pc with a ATI 4850 vid card, 4 gigs of ram and windows 7. It runs all my 1080p movies over the network in-house and can game play csgo, black ops 2, bf4 and some others but newer games wont work as they stop supporting the 4000 series gpus.
If your trying to run more modern games get at least a quad core cpu which id recommend either a core 2 quad as you can pick this up for like $40-50 now and can run all games depending on gpu or a amd phenom ii x4. Both these cpus can be found for real cheap on the used market, if you arent scared to use used CPU's. As for new stuff get the cheapest you can find.
well Christmas is pretty far from now and the 390X hasn't been released yet. So who really knows????? It will obviously come down to price and if the 390X can lower the 980 at all.
Naw since you are getting a gtx 960 it wont matter if you have a igpu or not. As for overclocking you'd probably be fine at 4.2-4.3 with like a h212 without air conditioning. I live in Buffalo new york without AC and i have mine OC at 4.2 and never have problems but we never make it above 90 degrees much.
I actually own 2 computers very similar to this but earlier intel cpus. I have a I5-3570k and a Xeon E3-1230v2 and i can tell you that you will have to OC your I5 to around 4.4-4.5 to get similar multithreaded performance as the xeon and it probably still beat the i5. For gaming they both will do great except that the i5 will have the ability to overclock if need be in future games unless games start using more threads. For streaming/gaming the xeon destroys the i5.
It really comes down to if you want to tweak your computer a lot like OC the chip. If youre really into that (which i am) then the i5 is the better choice. If you want a really quite stable cool cpu with a lot of power get the xeon but thats all you get and dont expect ever OC it even though you can possibly push to 4.0 ghz if you want. All i know is both will support SLI titan x cards so neither is a bad choice.