Ppl complain about the stock fans being very loud. Anything above quite mode isnt acceptable. Though the temps barily change when increasing fan speed anyways.
Probably a E3-1230 V6 but I'd recommend a 1700X right now. It's currently $150 on Newegg and is the deal to get.
Both can run multiple of things at once. What are the multiple things you are talking about?
I don't think it really has anything to do with the DDR3 vs DDR4, but maybe? It's probably more to the fact that 6+ cores are mainstream now.
Anywhere from $80-120. So it would be safe to say $100+/- is a good sell. So basically you used that CPU for a year for about $60. Ryzen just doesn't hold its value very well. You can still sell i7-2600k's for $100 and that CPU was released 2011 for $317.
If you are planning to upgrade, I'd look into either a 1700 or 1700x. They are pretty cheap on the used/new market. Own that for a year, then sell for whatever value they are worth. I really doubt that the 1700 or 1700X will ever dip below $100 in the used market for a while.
The 8700k is still a beast of a CPU for gaming and multi threaded use. They both will perform very similar unless a specific program doesnt use hyper threading. Then the 9700k will perform better. So, should you wait is more of a question you should answer yourself. Do you need a computer now or can you wait? Either CPU will be a fine choice and should last for years.
Well that seems like a quesiton you need to answer. Does the price of your build between a 2700x vs 9700k just end up being $150 difference? Say the AMD build is $1500 and the intel is $1650. Well the intel is a 20% performance boost and the price is only 10% more.
Im pretty sure you could find a GTX 1060 6gb or even a RX 580 8GB card for around $150-200 (ebay). Personally id look at those over any of the cards you mentioned.
I currently own a GTX 1060 6GB, Quadro P2000 5GB, Quadro Grid K140Q 1GB and GTX 560 2GB. I also use VMWare VDI workstations aka cloud machines. Personally i dont really notice much of a difference between performance of a GTX 1060 6GB, Quadro P2000 5GB and GTX 560 2GB using Civil 3D 2019. The only difference I notice is input lag that you might get due to the cloud environment. The Grid K140Q is utter crap and im replacing that machine with the P2000's for the office. So really is it worth it to spend extra on say a P2000 over a GTX 1060, since they are the most similar? Well IMO no. Maybe in some certain applications the P2000 might work slightly better. But then you can buy a GTX 1080 for that. You basically are buying more defined drivers and certified supported GPU's for these programs. Autodesk won’t say a RX or GTX card will work for their programs but it sure does. If things fail and you need to call customer service they won’t answer you.
On the plus side a Quadro can game just as well as a GTX and a GTX can do workstation apps just as well as a Quadro. It’s all software and certifications.
Why not the 1700? Overclock that CPU to 3.7 and call it a day. Personally i dont think you will notice much of a difference between any CPU with that GPU. If you had say a 1070TI and higher you might.
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Probably The Oregon Trail and Where in the Wolrd is Carmen Sandiego on a Machintosh at school. Definitly played the original Doom on our first Home PC. That thing was set up on our kitchen table. I really think Quake 3 Team Arena was the first real PC game that got me into PC gaming. I never really got into Counter Strike/Half-Life at the time.
I think people just buy them up on launch day and then mark the price up a ton on second hand sites. I cant remember intel ever charging over msrp.
Current i7-7820x goes for $550. It should be less than that. Who knows from Intel.
Really, ever since the 2nd gen to the 8th gen. Prices haven't really increased at all.
i7-2600k $317, i5-2500k $225
i7-3770k $313, i5-3750k $212
i7-4770k $330, i5-4670k $242
i7-4790k $339, i5-4690k $242
i7-6700k $339, i5-6600k $242
i7-7700k $350, i5-7600k $250
i7-8700k $359, i5-8600k $257
i9-9900k $460, i7-9700k $360+/-, i5-9600k $260 +/- (guess)
I really hope I’m wrong as i feel like the i5 is overpriced compared to what you get out of ryzen 5 2600/x. The i7-9700k vs the i7-8700k will probably perform similar but you also are losing 2 threads. The i9-9900k is a mystery other than guessing that it’s probably $100 than the i7.
What I'd like to see but probably wont happen.
i9-9900k $380, i7-9700k $280, i5-9600k $180
I kind of have to agree to this point. GTX 600 to GTX 700 wasnt much of a boost. The GTX 680 at launch was $500 and the GTX 770 was $399. Both perform within 5+/- fps in every game. The 780, 780ti and OG Titan were different cards. They did create a decent peformance boost over the GTX 680.
We just dont know....yet.
Personally I'd just go with the 1 x 500gb drive. Its not like running 2 x 250 in raid is really going to be that much better in real world applications. You probably wont notice a difference. Plus, then you will have to go through the hassel of setting up a raid. Plus you will be working with 2 drives that might fail causing data loss.
Tom's Hardware has a old article but im sure it's still pretty relevant for today.
Intel has really never lowered prices for any chips except for a bundle deal or something. You probably can still expect prices for the i7-8700k to be around $320-350 and the new i7-9700k to be around that as well. The only chip that we dont know what the price will be IMO is the i9-9900k. If I were to guess, it's probably like $450. Which will be $100 dollars more than the i7.
Anytime new generations of Intel chips are released they've pretty much have never lowered the price enough to ever wait. Most is $10-20. You might see the i5-8600k get a price drop because its being replaced by the i5-9600k. The i7-8700k will still have a place because of hyperthreading.
Blops 4 Beta is probably a bad game to test too. I hear that beta used up like 8 core 16 thread cpus. Plus going off older COD games, they usually took up like 10 gigs of ram anyways.
Edit: Just watched a YT video of a guy using a I7-8700k, 1070TI and 16GB of ram and he was using up 60%-100% on CPU, 7.5 gigs of ram on the 1070Ti and 10 gigs of system ram. Game looks to be a huge system hog and probably explains why a dual core cpu with 8gb of ram would be laggy.
Any CPU is relevant to the users need. Even old AMD Athon to Core 2 Duo still have a place in todays world. Not everyone games or needs 8 cores and 16 threads.
As to why I said "We dont know".
NVIDIA said its better than a Titan XP....but since no benchmarks are out we dont know?
Ebay or Reddit? It's always hard to find used computer parts on Craigslist or Facebook. Most people think their i7 7 years ago is still worth 300 dollars or something like that.
Still running a 3770k. Really have no urge to upgrade.
Pretty much what i was going to say. Ive seen 7700k's going for around 250 on ebay lately. Plus, they will probably really drop once intel releases the 9000 series chips. Personally i feel like the 7700k has alteast 5 more years left in it before you really have to upgrade.
why not just get a i7-6700k or 7700k?
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I wouldnt upgrade the cooler since the stock cooler is pretty good to begin with. You will only maybe get like 100-200 extra mhz over the stock cooler anyways.
Can go with cheaper ram from Gskill or find a cheaper copy of windows 10 if you search around.
I'd say thats a pretty good price. I sold my GTX 770 2gb card for $100 dollars one year ago. The GTX 770 and 960 have very similar performace. So, yeah thats a pretty decent value. You really won't find anything less than that unless someone is just trying to dump it.
Something similar to a i7-2600/3770 non k, i5-7600 and i3-8100.
Yes, the AMD 8350 is far better than a Core 2 Duo. Though, I wouldnt upgrade to anything unless it had a FX or I infront of it. I'd recomened a 1600 over pretty anything if you want something cheaper.
It will be preapplied to the stock cooler.
What? LGA 1366 has triple channel memory. Anything else is dual or quad channel memory. You can easily find ddr3 16gb (2x8) or 8gb (2x4) new or used. Buying 2 seperate 8 gb (2x4) is fine even if its different speeds. The system will always just revert to the lowest speed of memory you are using. You might have to manually import the timmings and speed but it will work. That's why its just best to buy the same ram and speed, less tinkering.
oh yeah for sure.
I don’t think that is correct. You could buy 3x2GB for triple channel memory but not for dual. The only way to get 12 gb or ram is 2x4gb and 2x2gb or 3x2 and run it as single channel. I wouldn’t recommend doing that.
How are you going to get 12gb's with dual cannel without mixing ram?
Yes, I would say it will be very relevant in 5-6 years for that type of usage. I currently still own a Core 2 Duo E7400 and use it for basic web browsing/Netflix/Plex and some other media stuff. I see no reason to upgrade a 10 year old processor for these types of applications.
No, if its gaming AAA title games in 5-6 years. If you don't game or dont care about new games. Then, yes this CPU will still be relevatant for any games released this year or next.
In my office I still own a few Pentium 4 computers that I use to just access my VMware VDI workstations.
Its either that or possibly buying a second hand i7-3770k. They can be found on ebay or other places for $120-150. That should be enought to get you results you need. This will be cheaper than just 16 gb of DDR4.
1) Yes, and it's usually only the 80/70 versions of the cards released first. If they don’t release the 70 series cards on the same day as the 80. They will release it in like 1-2 weeks. The 60 series will come later like 1-2 months followed by the 50s 4-6 months. Lastly 80TI's like a year later after the release of the original 80.
2) They are typically around the same price.
80's range from $550-650.
Once the 80TI comes out you will see a price drop of like $200-150 on 80's and $100 on 70's and no price drop on the 60's or 50's. This will slot the 80TI around the $800-650 price range.
Also expect the 1180 to be similar to a 1080TI, with maybe like 10% more performance and so on. Then again since NVIDIA hasn’t release anything new for 3 years. I could see the 1180 being like 30% better than a 1080TI. When the 10 series was released you had:
1070 $450 perform like 980TI $650
1060 $250 perform like a 980 $550
1050TI $140 perform like a 960 $200
Fair enough. Yeah, I'm still rocking ivy bridge (3770k). Pretty much the only thing keeping me from upgrading is the fact that RAM is so overpriced.
So I assume you are currently using Haswell? If you are mostly just gaming. Then, I personally wouldn't upgrade just yet. You won't really see any benefit going to either a 2700x or 8700k with a gtx 970. But if you really need to upgrade/want, then I'd probably prefer the 8700k. It does perform better in games paired with a gtx 1080TI. Though rumors are circulating that something new will be released with Intel in the coming months and GPU's wont be released till next year, so they say.
Used GTX 1070 as long as its still in good shape. Ive been buying used GPU's for years and never have issues.
IMO I still think the 1700 is the best value. It will easily OC to 3.7 ghz with a pretty decent possibility of hitting 3.9-4.0 ghz. That is all for $200 new and some used chips on ebay going for $180. Throw that onto a B350 boad and you are saving tons of money for what...10% worst performance vs a 2700X?
Only 400 for your cpu ram and mb? What type of ram and mb are you selling. That seems like a really low price to sell.
I find NVENC looks pretty good with 6000 bitrate for 720p 60 FPS. Personally I think thats the best option with someone looking to just casually stream and not make it a fullytime career. Most likley you aren't going to blow up and have a 1k average viewership to make it worth while to spend 2k on a highend streaming/gaming computer if money is an issue.
I heard a rumor about the 1700 going down to $159. When did that actually happen? I dont even need a computer but for that ya know.
Like Kente said. Its really up to you. Its probably going to cost somewhere around $450 like the i7-7820X is. We know its not going to game any better than the 8700k since the 8600K and 8700k game at the same FPS with a similar GPU. Atleast in the summer of 2018. Really is going to come down to if you need 8C/16T with streaming and content creation.
Planning on either using an Asus 1080Ti Trubo or 2 EVGA 1080SC2's
Planning on either using an Asus 1080Ti Trubo or 2 EVGA 1080SC2's
I bought the 3570k over the 3770k back in 2012. Had it overclocked to 4.4 ghz since day 1. It was great but recently 4C/4T arent enough and the 3770K with the 4C/8T is just better at gaming. Bought the 3570k for $220 in 2012 and sold it in the summer of 2017 for $66. Then bought a 3770K for $150 used. So technically I bought the 3770k for $304. I guess I saved myself $10-15 if i were to just buy the 3770k back in 2012.
So IMO if you dont plan to keep your computer long like 2-3 years. Then the 8600K should be more than enough. But if you plan to keep it like I've kepty my Z77 setup. Then def the 8700k.
Wait, you dont want that card because it doesnt have RGB? The two cards you just posted dont have RGB and the 1080TI doesnt even have lights. Im confused.