You guys do realize that you would have to overclock a 3570k to 4.4 to match the multitasking speed of the e3-1230 v2. Also no need to overclock for gaming and less heat in a small area.
No they aren't.
They are a hidden gem in the Intel lineup. Pretty much a 3770 for a i5 price. I actually own that CPU for a Civil 3D machine.
Whats the point of 32 gigs of ram? Do you plan to be rendering drawings in BIM/Civil 3d??? I use those program all the time and I never get near 8. And that's with 250 lot subdivisions.
If I was you id down clock the 8350 to like 4.5 or something. You wont notice a difference in FPS in games even if it was stock. Then just buy a h100i or something, unless you really want a true water kit.
I feel bad for the guy who's actually going to buy this.
Exactly....unless hes using BIM/Civil 3d its pointless. Nothing like wasting a ton of money on ram to see no gains. Should have saved the money you spent on ram and picked up a i7.
Well if you want to save money since the x4 750 is a budget CPU. Id pick up the 2gb EVGA 650 ti boost.
At newegg they are giving away $75 in game coupons. Pretty much makes the value of the card down to $80.
But personally id go after a 7850, 660, 7870, and maybe a 760 if It doesn't bottleneck.
Why do these comparisons keep coming up?
4670k is new tech and 8350 is old
buy what you want cause both will do everything you need to do.
How does window 7 ultimate handle on a 64gb ssd? Even with a 120 gb (Video Card Drivers, Windows, Virus protection, and chrome(Why did they change it!!!), im down to around 60-70 gb)...
Disabling hibernation mode can save you up to 10 gbs
Start, cmd (Run as administrator), Type "powercfg -h off".....its an instant save of space. If you want to go back just type in "powercfg -h on"
I wouldn't look at Xbox or playstation to give future speculations on pc games. Plus by the time 8 cores is being used the 8350 will be old news.
Honestly if you use a lot of CAD/Civil 3d, I wouldn't even look at AMD. You will be kicking your self. CAD is single threaded and a Pentium g what ever they are would perform better then a 8350.
So when you get tired of English you can change it to Russian. Totally worth $200.
Love the cable management.
Nice desk space.
Love your basement.
PS3 has this weird 8 core 1 core thing and XBOX 360 has 3. Still games today for pc are just using 2. I wouldn't look at consoles to build a PC.
Pretty much a 2500k with a 6870 will perform better then a PS4. So Its either you like AMD or Intel.
Just get VLC player and XBMC....this solves all the Windows 8 DVD issues for free.
Because you cant; Non "k" CPU's have a locked multiplier. The only way to overclock those are the change the MHZ and its really not recommended unless you want to screw something up.
ohhh ok nevermind :)
but you are buying 4 sticks of ram when you can only use 2...thats pointless.
You only have "2" slots for memory but you are buying 4 1 gig sticks? Maybe try and find 2 x 4 gigs. Also id up that dual core Pentium to at least a i3 if you plan to be gaming. But for like minimum specs I guess the Pentium will do. I still rock a e7400 @ (stock) ghz with hd 4850 @ (stock)@ 1080p low settings and that still runs battlefield 3, but I mostly use that PC for only my media center.
Other then that nice budget build.
Also the E3-1230v3 is good for haswell xeons. Thats if you decide to go 1150 socket.
E3-1230v2 by far
I own both. It's pretty much a i7-3770 without the integrated gpu and higher price.
I wouldnt look into the 3570k unless you were overclocking (as you said you werent)
You need to overclock the 3570k to 4.4 ghz to match the speed of a E3-1240v2 in cinebench 11.5, also oc doesnt increase FPS in gaming.
You probably shouldn't try overclocking with a non "K" chip.
From what I read they both run the same, so get whatever you want. 2500k still is a great CPU and not being bottlenecked by any GPU and probably wont be for a few more years, maybe even more (Since Ivy and Has really aren't upgrades to Sandy)
I would chose the CPU based on motherboard options only. And for that Haswell wins; and yes you do have upgrade options.
Yes that is correct. Once you uninstall the game a message should pop up asking if you would like to delete saved files as well. Obviously you would say "no" to that.
So then reinstalling the game on the SSD/HDD should work again.
You also can go into the saved files and make a back up of them if you aren't 100% sure it will work. They usually are only like 2kb files. Don't expect them to be huge.
Id personally go 4th gen. They both run the same for gaming and the cost is about the same. So why not go with the newest technology? Plus when intel releases the Broadell CPU's you do have a upgrade path.
My choice would be the 4650k if you were buying everything new today.
It has hyper threading. Its pretty much a 4770 or 3770 at a i5 price point. It just doesnt have igpu and you cant overclock them. But Xeon's are a better built CPU. They run cooler and use less power. Its personal choice to be honest with you. I have a 3570k and a E3-1230 V2 and I kinda wish i went with the E3 for my gaming build but thats just me. Still love the 3570k.
why not just beat both with a Xeon E3-1230 v2 or E3-1230 V3 CPU at around i5 prices.
If you go 3570k get a Asrock Pro 3 board or along those lines. Nice budget MB that allows overclocking. It just doesnt support CF or SLI.
I'm pretty sure that's a negative. Unless these are steam games. "Steam Mover" allows you to move your game from HDD to SDD or really anywhere on the computer. But i'm not sure about origin or other games.
No difference in gaming performance from a HDD to SSD; only difference is load times and it really isn't that much of a difference usually. Depends if you want to spend $59 for 500 gigs or $500 for 500 gigs.
Wouldn't look at the 8150 at all, maybe 8320/8350. But pretty much every CPU that is out today can game and run 3D applications. Just depends if you want a AMD or Intel CPU and how much you would like to spend. Personally id put a SSD somewhere in that build of yours because that is the Bottleneck; Like a 120 gig for boot drive.
Hey check out the Xeon E3-1230 V2.....Its at i5 price but performs like a 3770. I have that CPU in my CAD workstation with that motherboard (So I know it works). You can also game with that CPU but you cant overclock.
If you plan to you just stay at 5ghz then id get the 8320 and oc it to 5ghz. But If you plan to go more then yes, the 8350 is the better option (I hear the 8350 oc more then the 8320?)
Id go the i3-3240; in the long run its cheaper then AMD with motherboard/ram. You wont need to buy a z77 or z75 board. Just get a decent motherboard around $50 and a gtx 650 ti or 7770 and you should be good to go. Everyone one keeps saying go more cores but it still doesn't matter yet and probably wont for 5+ more years unless you are really into Adobe products. Still some of the most demanding programs like Autodesk Civil 3d is single threaded.
But hey if you go AMD you do have a better option to upgrade CPU and keep the motherboard. But really who does that on a budget if you could just get a 3570k/8350/4670k and not buy a new computer for 3-4 years.
That's just my 2 cents.
Not really sure why you need 32 gigs of ram and raid 0 on ssd boot drive. but i guess if you want it why not.
Oh and by the way I thinking gtx 760 not the 660. Wrote that wrong.
I love NAS's, best budget idea for Home Servers and Backups. This is a great build and for a great price. You cant even get a decent 5 bay NAS without HDD for $750. Also this CPU might even be over kill for a NAS for the person saying you should have opted for a X4. Also this is a NAS not a gaming machine. No need for a 5970 gpu. You only access these things though the network via IP Address. Great work!!!!
Good luck with it!! I have seen those die randomly no matter if its band new or 10 years old. Bad power to key components can cause them to die as well. That's why "I" think its best to spend a little more on a PSU from a good company and cheap out somewhere else. At least I hope if it dies it doesn't take other parts with it. But totally understand using a PSU laying around instead of buying a new one.
I would look at replacing that Dynex PSU for either a Antec, Seasonic, or Corsair. Prices wont be that bad for a 450-500 watt PSU. You don't want that Dynex dying and taking everything with it. Other then that nice build!
Love small builds!!! Good work.
FX wouldn't be that good for CAD. You want a fast single thread system. But it still will run the program no problem. A i3 would run CAD just as well as this CPU if clocked at the same speed. Eventually CAD will uses multi cores but for now nope and i wouldn't say it would happen in the next few years.
They still support Pentium 4 and they actually still run the program pretty well if you have a good GPU. I have a couple of those for people who just need to do small stuff on CAD.
This PSU the fan doesn't spin unless it reaches a certain temp. I just wanted it up on this build because its behind all the monitors and its a pain to get too. So with a fan in the front it will draw enough cold air to supply the system and PSU. This build wasn't really for looks more for performance of Civil 3D. Also with the fan up with that case causes less noise when the fan is spinning. I didn't want to hear all that noise for 8 hours out of the day and 7 days of the week.
You can go lower on the CPU since CAD is single threaded. But this Xeon is balling! Its priced at a i5 but performs like a 3770 with lower watts. Also who need's integrated graphics on a CPU when you know you will be using dedicated.
Good pick up, but I don't plan to be moving this PC for a few years so i wont have to clean the filter at all. Plus this case is hidden behind my monitors and you cant see jack inside of it. Thanks for the reply!!!
I like it a lot; big and lots of room to work in. It really isn't that bad to pick up and move around to LAN parties or different houses. So all in all i give it 5 stars. How about you?
Once you start building your system you will see a button that said's "show off your work" click that.
I have 3 other builds with 7 on them, so i gave 8 a shot. It's ehhh....
The 8320 wasn't out when I built this last July and if i remember correctly the 7850 was $215 and the 7870 was like $290 then and you could then overclock the 7850 past the 7870. Thanks for the reply!!!