thanks man, I appreciate that. Yeah the case is huge haha I really was taken aback at the size when I first got it. I've come to like its size, it definitely helped during the build as a new builder, but I'll be looking for a smaller case for my next build for sure.
Ahhh, that's true. Pesky sales tax. I somehow always forget about that
Sorry, felt the need to explain myself lol
Yeah that would be awesome.
I said on average $50 cheaper depending on the price point of the CPU in question. When I bought my G4400 last year it was ~$65 on Newegg and $49 at Micro Center. I bought my i7-4790k for $55 cheaper than Newegg though. Point is they're cheaper than Newegg, and I don't have to pay/wait for shipping.
How? It's all one piece with the clip in the middle of the plastic "socket" (for lack of a better term). It doesn't appear that it comes apart
Thank you all for the input! Everyone on here is always so helpful. I appreciate it!
Love your build! I'm about to start planning for an X99 build myself. I find myself siding with an i7 6800K. I see you went with a 5820K. Any specific reason for that besides the higher base clock speed? Do you think it performs better or as well as a 6800K for editing?
Nice! I dig it. I can totally spend that little more on this. Thanks for the input man!
I don't like the blue on the Asrock.
Have any thoughts on this Asus?
That's the biggest thing I was unsure about with the 2011 build - that mATX seemed to offer a good cost/benefit ratio. But honestly I'm not totally set on the smaller size. If an ATX would fit better then I'll look into one instead. The gray/gunmetal/silver/black combos are harder to find than I thought they'd be lol.
I like EVGA PSUs, especially the G2 series. I selected the RMx because it was a bit cheaper over the higher wattage EVGA, and the same price as the lower wattage EVGA I was looking at, but with 100 more watts for the RMx. However, with a build like this I definitely don't want to cut corners with the PSU - what's $20 more when I'm already spending $2000 right? haha
For this build I am giving myself a much higher budget than my last, so I think I can swing the 6 core.
I have a 250GB Samsung 850 EVO and a few other budget SSDs; two Kingston V300s, which are mediocre at best, and an ADATA SP550 which is surprisingly not too bad for a budget SSD. I figured I can re-purpose my current 850 EVO as my boot drive and maybe get one more 850 for temp storage of games or other files I need quick access to. I really don't want to build a $1900 computer and still use Kingston SSDs lmao
haha yeah, I would have too!
I remembering paying $30 for a 128MB flash drive in 2003/2004! Back when flash drives were the coolest ever haha. I think just this year I've spent a total of $30 on three USB 3 8GB drives, two 32GB drives, and one 32GB micro SD lol.
Man, I had an email about this too. Sold out in less than four hours.
Honestly I think it's a good deal. I just got an email from Microcenter today that states this. It looks like they give you both discounts for a total of $55 off. Also their processors are certainly cheaper than Newegg =) and that seems to be all the time too.
Honestly I check Microcenter all the time because luckily there's one 15 minutes away from me. Personally I wish PCPP still included MC prices and discounts because it made it so much easier to figure out the best deals. MC typically has their processors for cheaper than anywhere else online. People unfortunate enough to not live near a MC can always remove it in their settings. I'm a little upset about it not being there at all anymore lol.
I'm also very interested in this as I too just saw the NZXT hue+ the other day for the first time on their website. It's intriguing.
However to answer your question; if you're choosing between i3 processors I'd definitely go Skylake (6100). I picked my G4400 Skylake over the G3258 because I wanted the newest technology and DDR4 RAM (and I wasn't planning on OC'ing).
Another vote for the G4400, it's the processor I put in my HTPC and I love it. It handles everything I've thrown at it. With 8GBs of RAM and no dedicated GPU I've ripped and played back Blu-rays, converted large (30GB) .mkv files to .mp4 (<4GBs). I run Kodi most of the time for media playback, I play games with Steam in home Streaming (from my desktop) over wired and wireless connections, and I run a PLEX server on it to access my media when not at home or to cast it to my Chromecast in the other room. It's fantastic little processor, I didn't know how it would perform when I bought it but I'm glad I took a chance with it. If you have a micro center near you they're only $50!
Yeahh, unfortunately when I built this machine I wasn't planning on adding a GPU to it. Wish I would have thought about it now! Yeah I noticed that with that single slot 750 too, the fans look like it'd need the same amount of space as the double slot GPU. Maybe I'll buy myself a bigger case for Christmas this year haha. Thanks for the info man
Newegg has a pretty good deal right now on a EVGA 750Ti SC but it's a double slot, so I'm not sure if it'll fit without modifying the case in someway, which I sort of want to do but sort of don't at the same time. I remember seeing a build guide on here months ago where someone did install a GPU in their build with this same InWin case, but I can't find that build anywhere on the site anymore to ask him questions. I might go ahead and but the GPU anyway and play around with what I can do. It's only $80 after MIB, so it's pretty tempting to just buy it and if it doesn't work just save it for a potential future build, even if the older Nvidia cards are about to become super outdated with the new 1060/1070/1080s.
You're so right - and then people like us get the short end of it since all I want to do is enjoy the Blu Rays I purchased legally on my HTPC connected to my big screen. It sucks. What really sucked too was I have a copy of Good Will Hunting on Blu Ray, a good 18 years old (1997), wouldn't play after getting the AACS library and keys database from somewhere online for VLC. But the copy of The Matrix I have on Blu-Ray (1999) played just fine. Funny how that works. I know the original year of the movie doesn't matter so much as when they actually made the movie a Blu-Ray itself. But I've had that copy of Good Will Hunting for at least two or three years, and The Matrix Blu Ray I just bought a month ago lol. I actually may end up looking into something so I can play, or at least rip and then play, my Blu Ray discs. It really bothers me that I do everything legally; purchased the Blu-Ray, bought the Blu-Ray drive, built this entire system, butI can't watch all of my movies without buying additional software to watch something I already bought and own. So in my opinion I don't see it as doing anything wrong if I end up "circumventing" the copyright protection so I can enjoy my legally purchased movies lol. I don't really understand why DVDs are much easier to playback than Blu-Ray discs. I just learned there is, of course, a similar thing with DVDs - that Microsoft pays for the codecs and licensing in order to play DVD movies. So why is it so difficult for Blu-Rays? My only guess is the people in control of all things Blu-Ray (Sony? Or maybe the motion picture company who produced the movie) just want more money.
Yeah that's definitely a good idea. I haven't played around with the Blu-Ray drive too much yet, but I may end up ripping all my Blu Ray movies as well. Although I have a feeling I won't be able to rip them if I can't even play them...but I'll look into it more and figure it out. I don't have any content saved locally on the internal SSD. All of my movies, videos and music are stored on another computer (I call it a server, but it's just an old HP that's always on and not connected to a monitor lol) which has close to 1TB of storage. I'll probably look into more storage eventually, when I start to run out of space. Thanks for the advice!
Thanks! It's a fun a little computer =) I just hooked up a little 1080p Logitech USB camera to it last night and did some Skype video calls from my living room couch! It was fantastic =)
This is great! Do you know if this is the same thing as the keys database and AACS dynamic library that can be found online? I'm unsure if I want to post the link to where I found them because I don't know if it's breaking any rules or whatever. The keys database and AACS dynamic library I downloaded does enable Blu Ray playback for maybe half of my Blu Ray disc collection through VLC. I wish it was a definitive list so I could play back all of my movies like my PS3 could. Thanks for the information though! I'll be looking into this some more.
There is a strong possibility I may buy a GPU in the near future, just to mess around with what all I can do with this little PC. I was looking at the GTX 750 Ti because it comes in a half height form factor, which I need, and doesn't require additional power from my PSU. I've seen some for $100 lately too after mail in rebates, and that's not a bad deal in my opinion. Someone told me not too long ago that Nvidia will be releasing some new entry level and mid range cards later this year, something about a new GTX 950 as well, so I may hold out to see what comes of that. I need to figure out what this processor can handle as well, as I don't want to purchase a GPU that will get bottle-necked by my little G4400.
That's very interesting, I had no idea that Windows 10 removed DVD playback due to the licensed codecs. I honestly had no idea there were licensed codecs for DVDs at all, that seems so ridiculous to me. But I guess someone out there figured it out, copyrighted it, and wants their share of it now. I use VLC for just about everything, and after downloading the keys database and AACS dynamic library I found online, VLC does play maybe half of my Blu Ray discs. I found other programs out there that will play the others VLC can't play, but they're all $40 or more for a license (the free trial has a bunch of garbage superimposed over the video). I appreciate your insight into this as I was planning on upgrading to Windows 10 - now I know I'll need some third party software for DVD playback. Which isn't a problem at all, I just like knowing these things beforehand. And if you happen to come across any actually free Blu Ray playback software please let me know and I'll be so very grateful!
Sweet built. Super clean, and love the Star Wars vinyls!
Oh wow that is cool. I'm not going to lie, I'm definitely considering backing this project too. It is a really cool case. And with my cooling concerns squashed, I can go back to appreciating the design and aesthetics of the case. Plus this guy sounds like he knows what's up, I'd like to support him to see what more he can create in the future.
Thank you so much!
Are those 640GB HDDs for $85?
You can find WD 1TB 7200RPM HDDs for $40-50, I'd highly suggest those. More space for less $$. That'll save you ~$80
1TB WD 7200RPM HDDs are $39.99 at Micro Center currently. I got my Seagate 1TB 7200RPM for ~$45 on Newegg.
This is so cool, especially for people looking to build a Hackintosh - or migrate their mini ITX Hack to a new case. My concern is adequate airflow. They seem to advertise great airflow, and I enjoy the 140mm included fan, but is that it? I can't tell if it's set up on the bottom of the case for intake, or if it's at the top of the case for exhaust. Regardless, would I be able to install a second fan for intake/exhaust? These are things I can't tell from the kickstarter page. If I can recall correctly, that was a concern with the MacPros when they first came out - I guess they ran a little hot due to the nature of the case.
I would totally buy one of these cases. But I don't think I can justify $189 for a mITX case. That's a lotta bread for a little case.
Nice, I'll try that with mine. I would like to route it in a cleaner way, especially if I add another blue LED fan to the bottom ("show off" fan as I like to think of them). Yeah I've noticed a few people have asked me why the high price of the case. For some reason the price must be fluctuating like crazy haha
Very nice! I apologize as I know this build is old (34 months? lol). It looks like you had to mod your case to fit your video card, does this case only support half height/low profile cards? I'm looking to build a super budget HTPC and am debating whether or not I should add an entry level GPU in the mix so I can play a few games on it as well. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/osirhc/saved/#view=XpHPxr
the only half height GPU I can find is the 750Ti, but I have been able to find others on craigslist for much cheaper however they aren't low profile.
Thanks! Yeah I could probably mess around with it more to get it looking cleaner. You should have seen it the first time I installed everything lol. I rebuilt it a week after I got everything working to better manage the cables. The main thing is I don't really want to mess with disconnecting the 24pin power to the motherboard because that sucker is really in there! I'm actually afraid of breaking my motherboard if I try to remove it, so I'll probably just leave it as is. It functions, and I get great airflow, it just doesn't look pretty. $170? I paid $100 for the case including a $10 mail in rebate. It came with five fans, the front two have blue LEDs, so I figured it was a decent deal. For my next build, whenever that may be, I'll probably go with a mid tower - because this case is ridiculously big. I almost returned it for a smaller case, but didn't want to pay Newegg's restocking fee. In the end though I am glad I went with it. Considering this is my first build, the added space made it easy to work with. I plan on installing a ton of HDDs for more storage too.
Just uploaded a few
I'm not quite sure which you should do first. I can tell you my experience with dual booting my machine. I first had Windows 7 installed to one SSD. I then installed OS X to a second SSD, loaded with Clover bootloader. With OS X 10.11.3 you need to use Clover bootloader to actually boot OS X off your SSD (or HDD). I had my Windows 7 SSD removed during OS X installation to make sure nothing wonky happened. When I had OS X installed, I reconnected my Windows 7 SSD and could not boot into either OS. Clover was getting hung up on "scanning entries" and never loaded me to the selector menu. I decided to wipe the drive and do a clean install of 10 on my 7 SSD. I made my boot media with the Microsoft USB creation tool (the exact name of it is escaping me at the moment). I followed the steps, including one restart (which worked fine and booted back into Windows to complete the installation) and was in business. Upon reboot, I had to boot into my mobo's UEFI and set my boot preferences back to Clover bootloader, as Windows had forced its Windows Boot Manager into the first priority. After setting Clover back to number 1, upon reboot Clover no longer experienced any hang ups with the drives I have connected. This is why I recommend installing OS X first, then install or migrate your Windows installation. YMMV, but this is what worked for me. The result is a flawless dual booting system. I can reboot into the other OS and I haven't experienced a single issue doing so so far. That's not true actually, Windows cannot seem to get the time right! You would think "set by Internet" would solve any problem, especially with my time zone set correctly, but alas it does not. Even manually setting the time doesn't "stick." I remember reading a long time ago that Windows had some issue with keeping the right time in dual boot systems - some weird issue with OS X I think (I had previously dual booted Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro), so perhaps this is still an issue. I don't really care about the time being incorrect in Windows to be honest. I usually end up setting the time manually each time I boot into it, which is only when I want to play a game, so it isn't a big issue to me.
I used Carbon Copy Cloner when I upgraded SSDs. If you've never used it before it's super nice and easy to use. It's as simple as drag and drop - drag the HDD you want to clone to "Source" and the SSD you want to migrate to to your "Destination" and click Clone. I was cloning and SSD to an SSD so it only took like 7 minutes. It may take longer with a HDD. This was all within OS X btw. Are you trying to install OS X on your HDD? Are you migrating OS X to the SSD? Or do you have a HDD with Windows 10 that you want to also install OS X to? I would recommend installing Windows to one drive and OS X to another drive. There can be issues with the two operating systems installed to one drive. If I were you I'd buy a second SSD - ADATA has a 120GB for like $38 that would be perfect. Hook that up to your system and follow the guide on tonymacx86.
Microsoft has a free program that will create a Windows 10 installation USB drive. They used to have the .iso for download, but I can't find that anymore. After that it was as simple as booting up form the USB installation drive and following the steps to installing Windows to a separate SSD. To get a copy of OS X you'll need access to a Mac. If you don't have a Mac, try to borrow someone's you know. You'll only need it for a few minutes. Simple go to the Mac App Store and search "El Capitan" - an "app" comes up called "Install OS X El Capitan" - it's roughly 6GBs, so it takes a minute to download. This is different than a system upgrade! It may pop up and tell you that version of OS X is already installed. Click ok, because we aren't using this to install on the computer you're using to download it. After it finishes downloading, there will be an app in Applications called "Install OS X El Capitan." From this point on you'll follow the super helpful people and guides at tonymacx86.com - it'll walk you through the steps on installing OS X to your computer using a program called Unibeast initially, followed by a program called Multibeast. If you need any help doing this I can definitely help you, especially if you end up purchasing or using similar parts for a Hackintosh build. I have a few guides I used that helped me immensely. I also have a write up of my own on my experiences with this build and how I got everything installed (finally got my motherboard's USB 3 ports working)
I followed a guide on tonymacx86 forums on how to install OS X. After all that it was as simple as creating Windows 10 boot media with Microsoft's own tool to do so. Booted my system off the USB Installation media I created and just followed the steps. It restarted once and then I was in business. After the hassle of getting OS X on my system, Windows 10 was a breeze. Just make sure you install the two operating systems to separate SSDs/HDDs, I hear there are some issues with dual booting off the same drive. Also, if you're doing the free upgrade from 7 to 10 make sure you install 7 first, then follow the upgrade steps to get to 10. I nearly had to reinstall 10 to get my 7 product key to work (looonnnnng conversation with Microsoft Support to get that to work).
Coming soon. I'm being lazy lol
I appreciate your thoughts. Are you considering a gaming platform, or a workstation platform - also are you considering my dual boot situation? I've already built this thing, so unfortunately changing anything at this point will cost more money (CPU, RAM, mobo, etc) and will be a bit of a pain. The reason I went with an Nvidia GPU (the 970 in this case) is because Adobe Creative Cloud suite of programs utilizes the CUDA architecture and I'd have a better performance with an Nvidia card over a Radeon card. I'm not too worried about 4k, because I don't see it really catching on as the new standard for a number of years yet. I figure by that time I'll be looking to upgrade my GPU anyway. At the moment I don't even have anything capable of shooting 4k. Sure GoPros are huge, but I don't mess around with them (at all actually, mostly because I don't own one lol). My system at the moment has no problem with 2.7k video from my DJI Phantom.
I totally understand what you're saying about the Skylake processors. The reason I went with an older processor was to take advantage of the compatibility with OS X 10.11.3 - it is an older processor, but it runs OS X beautifully. I do regret not being able to take advantage of DDR4 however because this is something I likely won't be able to experience for some years, as I don't see myself really upgrading that much in the next year or two.
The V300 is an awful SSD. I bought the Samsung EVO right after finding this out. I do still use the V300 though; it's what I installed Windows 10 Pro to. Compared to the EVO, the EVO blows it out of the water. But it seems to run Windows 10 Pro very smoothly. While certainly not a great SSD (wish I had done more research on them before making the purchase) it's still much faster than a conventional HDD.
The Nighthawk case is huge! I was blown away by how large it is, and I almost returned it. However, I'm glad I didn't. With the additional size of the case I was able to fit the GTX 970 in with no issues (well, the cable giving it power doesn't look clean). Also I figure I eventually will want to get in to water cooling (considering I got an unlocked K series i5), and when I do I'll be all set with the size of this case. I didn't pay that much for it, it only cost me $109 and then a $10 mail in rebate made it $99.
Is Corsair not a good brand? In my research I believed Corsair to be a good brand for PSUs. I do like EVGA a lot more though, and this could be something I may look into for the future. Out of everything, the PSU would be the easiest to replace/swap out/upgrade.
There are certainly a few things I wished I had done differently for this build (doing more research, waiting a bit longer before purchasing, these types of things). I have since noticed that some people have achieved OS X 10.11.3 with Skylake processors. Unfortunately that was after I made my purchases. The compatible motherboard for getting OS X to work with a Skylake processor was also double the cost of my motherboard. But being my first build, I'm more than happy with the end result. I also ascribe to the notion that there is no such thing as wasted time (bad experiences, mistakes, etc) as literally everything in life is a learning experience. For what I'm using it for it'll be fantastic; and is a huge upgrade over the computer I was using for video editing.
Things I learned building this computer: Choose one main focus. I tried too hard to make this machine a jack of all trades. In a way I achieved this, but my time, money and energy would probably have been better applied to just one main thing. Do I want to run just OS X on this machine or just Windows, do I want it to be on the bleeding edge of technology, or do I want to stay under budget? Do I want to game or do I want to make this a workstation? I said yes to all of these statements, and my system falls short of being on the bleeding edge of technology. There were things I could have done to make this system cheaper. There were things I could have done to make this system faster. There are things I could have done to make the entire process better, but I was too busy juggling the idea of making this computer fast, under budget, and OS X compatible - which is too many variables. In the future, I will be creating primarily an OS X machine, a PC workstation, and a PC gaming machine to make this much more manageable, and more practical. The last variable I was dealing with for this build was the need to use Newegg. I couldn't afford all of this flat out, so I used the interest free financing for a year that Newegg offers with their store card. This limited me to only Newegg's pricing - for the most part this actually was the cheapest option for the majority of my components. That being said, I did end up with a fantastic OS X, Windows 10 Pro machine that is more than capable of anything I throw at it and only $100 over my initial budget. I can run Fallout 4 and Tomb Raider (Rise of the Tomb Raider, the free one that came with my 970 lol) with the settings maxed out, at 60FPS, which is more than I could have ever asked for. Plus, in OS X, I can playback 1080 and 2.7k video in Adobe Premiere Pro at full resolution with no stutter at all. Jogging forwards and backwards (J-K-L) gives me no lag whatsoever. This alone makes me happy as can be. It's unfortunate because I probably could have achieved just this in Windows for less money. But I do still enjoy the OS X environment. I feel like I got the best of both OS X and Windows worlds here, even if I miss out on Skylake and DDR4.
I like that first build you made there. I'm going to save that build as it gives me a good idea for a buddy of mine looking to build a computer.
thanks! your build is awesome too