Maybe it's so the Be Quiet logo is the right direction
I have the 3258 running in two other machines I built! My only hesitation was that this was a small form factor. I haven't had much luck getting the 3258 far past 4GHz on the stock cooler, so for the same price to get a guaranteed IPC improvement seemed worth it. Also, for who I was building this for, I wanted everything to be as stock as possible in case she runs into issues down the line.
I needed this
Oh I have no doubt it would be awesome for editing! The input lag and response time are low enough that they won't make a difference for most applications. Really, they would only be noticeable during gaming. And even then, they would only be noticeable to someone who's used to extremely low input lag and response times.
Glad it's serving you well!
You should post some game benchmarks! I would love to see how the 3770K handles the GTX 1080.
For a 4K TV it's not a bad monitor. By monitor standards it's not too great. 20ms input lag is a little high, and 16ms response time will leave a lot of ghosting
glad she's happy with it :) Good job man!
I have a feeling a lot of these are spare parts he had, and he put down the price he originally paid for them. Or he may live in a region of the world where parts are outrageously expensive.
But seriously, who calls their significant other bae?
looks great :)
Peal the plastic off please and post another picture! It looks so nice but I can't see anything behind it! I wanna see that super clean inside you got going there! Looks awesome, and I'm loving the team red build! The RX 480 seems like a really awesome card, and I wish I didn't already have a 390. Such a better value. Anyways, your cable management looks great, and the color scheme is awesome :) Nice job!
No problem! Does Afterburner have the option to overvolt the card? It should be in a drop down menu around where the power limit % is. You may have to go into the settings and select options to extend official overclocking limits, or unlock voltage control. By bumping up the voltage you'll be able to achieve higher overclocks, but at the expense of more heat.
Ah I didn't realize they were modular drive bays! That's always a nice feature. I just took my old case and put all the drive bays back in to make a server which was pretty sweet. And like I mentioned before, Afterburner is a good temperature monitor for your GPU! Two other programs I'd look into are Intel Extreme Tuning Utility which will give you a good rundown of your CPU and HWMonitor which will list off a lot of temps for the socket, motherboard, etc.
Hey looks pretty good! I don't see a problem with getting a powerful CPU and a lower GPU. If you aren't playing the latest titles then you really don't need a super high end graphics card. The processor will carry you for a long time though. For a GPU upgrade, I would definitely get a GTX 1080 over a 980 Ti. It runs about the same cost as a 980 Ti but will outperform it substantially. I wouldn't bother getting 32GB of RAM until a very late upgrade. Not sure what you use the rig for exactly, but 16GB of RAM is more than enough for gaming and most other applications. Its not until you get into video editing, CAD or running VMs that you really need a ton of RAM.
A lot of people use SpeedFan for fan management, but I've never successfully got it working. Although I didn't put too much effort into it, as my motherboard had pretty easy fan curve configuration in the BIOS. For GPU fans I would definitely recommend MSI Afterburner! When you have it open, click on settings and then the "Fan curve" tab.
Anyways, awesome rig altogether! The cable management looks pretty good from what I can see, and you have some really nice parts in there. Why did you choose a case with so many drive bays just out of curiosity? And just a side note, it's overclocking not just clocking :) Best of luck with your future upgrades!
Selling my pentium would not offset the cost of switching from Haswell to Skylake. I'll have to get a new motherboard and RAM which will be an additional $200 at an absolute minimum. Overclocking motherboards will be more expensive, bringing it into the $450+ range to switch to Skylake. Compared to $200 for the 4690K. And Skylake is typically 5-15% more efficient which isn't a jaw dropping improvement. And I would only care about energy efficiency in mobile devices. Justifies over a 100% price increase for a switch? Meh.
Especially considering that the primary purpose of this build is for gaming. I am 100% content with the gaming performance of my Pentium right now. So it doesn't even make sense to get a 4690K at the moment. Let alone a 6600K. So definitely not worth.
If I had purchased everything in one shot I definitely would have! I previously had a 270X which did not give me the performance I wanted. After looking online at reviews and benchmarks, regardless of the CPU it would not give me the performance I was looking for. So I figured instead of upgrading my CPU which I know wouldn't help, why not upgrade my graphics card? Now I'm not quite getting the numbers that others are getting with the 390, but I'm still into the range I wanted to be in!
I am definitely considering getting a 4690K for it at the moment. I'm only hesitant because I don't know if I want to keep updating this rig or start fresh on a build that is right from the start.
I too am not a fan of the walled garden. I don't use any of Apples services such as iTunes or iCloud. That's what I have this build for :) Luckily with Plex they have an app for basically every device so it's straight forward to access my data.
And Fedora is another great distro! If it has better support for things you need, I would definitely use it. The software selection isn't as vast on Fedora, but it is very stable and very performance oriented. And viruses aren't a major problem for Linux users but they are not out of the question! Just a month or two ago hackers managed to find a back door into the Linux Mint website and put out a compromised ISO. Not a big deal for most people since you don't install Mint everyday. But such attacks are just as likely on any piece of software that you may update. But as I said, Qubes isn't too user friendly yet. It's something to keep in mind but in it's current state I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that doesn't have a decent Linux background. Ubuntu would still offer a good amount of safety over Windows though!
As far as Wine is concerned, I've never tried using it. But I've heard the same thing. Some things just don't work. I would imagine that simple programs that use the standard Windows GUI utilities wouldn't be much issue but anything that has some dependency like OpenGL, or uses some obscure system function probably wouldn't work. I guess I'll have to try it though!
And best of luck with the build!
Yeah, I mean I respect Apple especially in light of recent events with the FBI. But I absolutely cannot justify the price of their products. But I do have an iPhone since it will cost me the same as any top of the line android through my phone company.
And Linux is quickly becoming a great environment! Ubuntu has the widest software support and I know it has a lot of photo/video editing software. Some cost money but what would you expect. From the sounds of it I would definitely go for Ubuntu if I were you! It's very beginner friendly since you're new to Linux and has the largest range of software and hardware support of any Linux distro. If you do have some software dependency on Windows, you can install it in a VM and only use that VM for that application. Then Windows can't spy on any of your personal information, search habits, etc.
And Qubes OS is a newer Linux distro that is focused on security through isolation. Like I said before, it runs everything in separate VMs so any viruses one VM might catch won't infect where you do your banking, etc. I love recommending it to people but it is not for the faint of heart. Configuration is a hassle, and getting hardware working that isn't a flash drive is near impossible. Graphics card passthrough is not officially supported and requires a lot of digging to get working. And god knows what you'd have to go through to get a graphics tablet working. Hopefully as time goes by they'll get better support for such features and make it easy for users to set up without digging through countless forums :) If you have any questions about Linux and setting it up or anything like that, you can PM me! Hope to see that build soon!
I'll definitely look into them! I may get a Seasonic PSU for my desktop too. I have the CX750M, which was great for a little while, but now it has some terrible coil whine.
WOW I didn't realize the limit was that low for the Phenom II series. Definitely going to get a new CPU cooler. Thank you for the heads up
Thank you! It was really to get it like it is and I'm still not satisfied lol. And I love when people are getting rid of their computer! I gladly take them
Yeah it's definitely worth it as an absolute last resort! And I'm not sure what was wrong with them. I could hear them spin up and the arm click back and forth when it started up. So I took just the controller off the bottom and put it in the oven. There are a lot of possible failure points unfortunately :/
And I use linux for my server and my laptop. My desktop is dedicated strictly to gaming and I have Windows on there because it is unfortunately the best environment for gaming. On my laptop I dual boot between Ubuntu and Qubes OS! I primarily use Qubes for it's focus on security. But unfortunately hardware passthrough is not supported well. So I have Ubuntu for when I'm developing things that require hardware acceleration and for programming things like Arduinos.
That is precisely what I did
Now that I think about it, I could probably set up my server to pull data from google docs! Just have a specific folder set up to transfer data from my phone to the server. Thanks for the idea! I never thought about using a cloud service. I was only thinking point to point :)
Yeah it actually does! I don't know exactly why. My xbox I could see dropping it accidentally when I moved it somewhere and breaking a solder joint, but the motherboard just didn't work after a thunder storm. I figured it got too much electricity and burned out some components, but I guess not.
Putting electronics in the oven (425F for 10min) has worked for me 3/5 times so far! The other two were hard drives that I couldn't even recognize on my linux box. Put the controller board in the oven but nothing came of it :(
That's exactly the type of PSU I'm looking for! From what I've heard seasonic makes some pretty good PSUs
I miss them too. I miss AMD being a true competitor in the CPU market :( This processor is still awesome! And thanks!
You really think so?! After 10min of Prime95 on all 4 cores it was at 76C. But I'm not sure what the 945 is thermally rated for!
Thank you! Love old parts. And I didn't realize that was an option! It's a little steep but definitely something to consider :)
Looks substantially better! I'm very impressed by the improvements :) It takes some time to get really proficient at cable management. I still look at my rig sometimes and take it apart to screw with the wire runs. But your rig is looking good now, and it'll just get better over time! Enjoy it!
Wow that's a fancy server! I may have gone with a different case that has a hotswap bay or a case like the Rosewill Blackhawk (my personal case) which has a hotswap dock on the top of the case which is really useful for certain server tasks. But that's a personal preference!
For cable management, you should definitely buy a set of SATA cables like these off Amazon. A 10 pack for $10, they'll all be uniform length, same color, and will allow you to easily lay them out logically. Do a little planning before hand and think about where you would run the cables and how long they would need to be. Also, I see some cables like fan wires, front panel connectors and the USB 3.0 header. Try to run those behind the motherboard tray. Any cable that isn't a hard drive related cable, get it out of sight.
A cool idea for the SATA data cables would be something like the top tables here where your SATA cables are all in one bundle at the top and as it goes down the sides of the drives you just peel off a cable for each drive. Of course then you'll need to buy a few different length cables :) Let me know if you have any other questions, and all around an AWESOME selection of parts!
That is awesome! Where does the fan get its power from? Did you splice on the connector from the original fan and plug it into the card? You should definitely try to tuck the cable in under the shroud :)
I had a 270X and it didn't perform anywhere near what I wanted in my games so I got the 390 and I was planning on upgrading to a 4690K as well. Just changing the 390 actually gave me a huge performance increase to where I'm perfectly happy with it! ~112 FPS in Bioshock Infinite, ~60 FPS in the Metro Redux series. Since it's good enough for me, I figured I'd wait a bit to buy the 4690K until it's cheaper.
Yeah the backplate is removable. You have to remove the heatsink in order to access the screws, so make sure you have alcohol and thermal paste to deal with that. Just be careful. The heatsink has adhesive thermal pads all over the place and you may have to pull really hard to take the heatsink off. Just make sure you've taken out all the screws for it so nothing breaks! Once that's done you'll have access to the backplate screws
The cables are custom sleeved using 1/8" paracord I got off of amazon for a few bucks. The LED strip is a side emitting 12V LED strip I got for around $20 a few years back. I was debating between using these and some standard surface mount LED strips, but I thought these lit up the components better since they're pointing directly at them. I just soldered them to molex connector that I took apart and popped it into the PSU
I had the Cougar Vortex on it before
Thank you :) I just wanted it to be done, and I knew getting this card would finally make it complete. Even if it didn't match up with the processor, it provides just enough power for me.
Are your idle temperatures with the cooler fans off? If so, I must have gotten a crap chip! It's definitely not the cooler because it gets incredibly hot, so the chip itself is just pumping out a lot of heat. But my idle temps are with the fans off. They don't kick on until 60C
As soon as I run into a game I can't play, I plan to jump up to an i5 or i7! But I don't see it happening for a while
Thank you! I wonder that as well. I have experimented with intakes on the front and exhaust on top, but this configuration actually works better! The air from the front intakes gets blocked a lot by the side of the drive cages, but I still wonder about other possible fan configurations!
Yeah if you read under performance, I talk about how it does bottle neck! But I'm still happy with the overall performance :)
Games it will fluctuate anywhere from 50-60C, it'll only hit 70 in a stress test like Prime95
Yeah you do!
2C on Prime95 just isn't worth the money for another half decent fan. I like the look of it, and during gaming there is virtually no temperature difference.
For silence. The top two fans are intakes and do a fine job cooling off the T4. When I did have a CPU fan, the temps were only 1-2 degrees lower. I had the Cougar vortex on it, and a cheap fan in the rear, but the rear exhaust was so loud. So I got rid of it and my temps shot up 8C. Heat just built up between the graphics card and processor, and the panel fan was not enough to exhaust it, so I just moved the vortex to the rear!
The rear fan is plugged in to the CPU header instead!
My temperature tests are using FurMark. The default fan curve keeps it at around 68C under full load and it is very loud. My curve keeps it at 78C which is not nearly as loud, but still can't be ignored. However during real game play it stays around 70C and is almost inaudible. I do not think the problem is the cooler (except maybe 80mm fans would be better than 70mm fans), I think it's just how much heat the 390 pumps out. It heats up my room after a while!
It actually works better that way, it gets cooled by the intake fans on top, and then exhausted from the rear fan and the side panel fan. It only raises the temps 2C as opposed to having a fan on it directly.